Didn’t God make all things Good?

[PennEd]

I said he USED the snake!!!
How else would God get his Word to produce seed... At that point they were still an image without skin.. but the Earth was physical..
Is God not Wisdom, and Knowledge too?
How come God never asked the serpent for a confession.. if he did so wrongly??

You said HE (God) used the snake as a disguise. This means GOD put on a snakeskin and talked to Eve. What else could it mean?

 

[PennEd]

Without Judas, would Jesus have been lifted into his glory?
Why are you trying to separate the two? They worked together for the good of the Lord. Whether in faith or in ignorance. The Lord used them both to Glorify his name... why are you trying to slander me? Call me shoddy? Etc. and you are a senior member of the Christian chat?? Do you go around calling everyone Luciferian who don’t believe or agree with your analogies?

Hmm.. Well we see who the true deceptor is here. Twisting my words. Neither myself, nor Undergrace, said YOU were a Luciferian.

We said a lot of what you are pushing, like the Serpent being God in disguise, is Luciferian.

 

[TheWind]

Satan DID NOT speak on behalf of God!

That's just the point. He twisted and altered God's Word. The same he does with us. Some more than others.

Just like you take my words and twist them. The creation of the physical matter is just a creation. Whether a snake a tree or a piece of fruit or grass or a flower God will use whatever he wants for the purpose is of Gods...
But the Word of God is not physical..
And because you can’t answer any of my questions.... you try and turn and flip my words and try to make me look bad.

But in the end the truth will reveal itself..
I don’t need to prove myself to you..

Senior member or not. Your wisdom does not exceed Gods.
so stop asking me questions just so you can review can my answers and exult your knowledge against mine. Because you will keep making yourself look like a fool. I have a million more words of wisdom I could give you, if you would like to ask more questions ..

What is the Father of heavens name? The father that Jesus worshipped?
“ Mr. I know more than everybody...”

 

[PennEd]

I said he USED the snake!!!
How else would God get his Word to produce seed... At that point they were still an image without skin.. but the Earth was physical..
Is God not Wisdom, and Knowledge too?
How come God never asked the serpent for a confession.. if he did so wrongly??

A confession of sin is necessary for Salvation. God did not ask Adam and Eve for a confession. He simply asked them what happened. They could have lied like Cain did when asked.
No one asks to be saved if they think they don't need to be saved.

Satan is ineligible for Salvation. The Lord doesn't need to ask him anything. He already KNOWS he is a liar and the father of lies. It is STRICTLY judgement for him.

 

[TheWind]

You said HE (God) used the snake as a disguise. This means GOD put on a snakeskin and talked to Eve. What else could it mean?[/QUOTE

God doesn’t have to put on anything.. He is the Word.. And snakes can talk? And have the knowledge of God and what he knows??? ? Have you heard one speak lately??

You haven’t answered not ONE of my questions..
Please tell me PLEASE!!! How on Earth did the snake know what God knows?

 

[PennEd]

Just like you take my words and twist them. The creation of the physical matter is just a creation. Whether a snake a tree or a piece of fruit or grass or a flower God will use whatever he wants for the purpose is of Gods...
But the Word of God is not physical..
And because you can’t answer any of my questions.... you try and turn and flip my words and try to make me look bad.

But in the end the truth will reveal itself..
I don’t need to prove myself to you..

Senior member or not. Your wisdom does not exceed Gods.
so stop asking me questions just so you can review can my answers and exult your knowledge against mine. Because you will keep making yourself look like a fool. I have a million more words of wisdom I could give you, if you would like to ask more questions ..

What is the Father of heavens name? The father that Jesus worshipped?
“ Mr. I know more than everybody...”

I have NOT twisted your words. I have repeated them verbatim.

I perceive you to be erratic and not of sound mind. I'll let you settle down a bit.

I'd encourage you to be more receptive of the idea that this thesis of yours is not only wrong, but blasphemous.

 

[TheWind]

A confession of sin is necessary for Salvation. God did not ask Adam and Eve for a confession. He simply asked them what happened. They could have lied like Cain did when asked.
No one asks to be saved if they think they don't need to be saved.

Satan is ineligible for Salvation. The Lord doesn't need to ask him anything. He already KNOWS he is a liar and the father of lies. It is STRICTLY judgement for him.

How do you know what Satan is eligible for??? Again. Who are you to judge evil in the face of Good... there is no other intentions on Earth other than GOOD.... You make it sound like Satan is still living.. but yet preach Jesus on the cross... his cross is not in vain, death is a lie. Death is irrelevant... the old man is dead. We are alive in Christ. The new man..
judgement has came... God has judged. BUT... it is Now that His Word gets to judge All men!!

 

[TheWind]

I have NOT twisted your words. I have repeated them verbatim.

I perceive you to be erratic and not of sound mind. I'll let you settle down a bit.

I'd encourage you to be more receptive of the idea that this thesis of yours is not only wrong, but blasphemous.

Oh. But please Answer the questions then. If my belief is blasphemous.. Let’s here yours... I seek to know what you believe. Since you are so willing to attack mine... are you afraid I will judge you.... are you going to leave without answering at least one of my questions... ?? .. or is it a cause you don’t know what you believe??

 

[TheWind]

Oh. But please Answer the questions then. If my belief is blasphemous.. Let’s here yours... I seek to know what you believe. Since you are so willing to attack mine... are you afraid I will judge you.... are you going to leave without answering at least one of my questions... ?? .. or is it a cause you don’t know what you believe??

Please Please tell the discussion forum ... your knowledge of the serpent. Since you know him so well to judge his and Gods case...

 

[PennEd]

Oh. But please Answer the questions then. If my belief is blasphemous.. Let’s here yours... I seek to know what you believe. Since you are so willing to attack mine... are you afraid I will judge you.... are you going to leave without answering at least one of my questions... ?? .. or is it a cause you don’t know what you believe??

I have almost 7000 posts in 6+ yrs.

EVERY one of them is available for you to peruse if you wish to see the things I believe. Kinda how I went to your website to see what you were about.

 

[TheWind]

I have almost 7000 posts in 6+ yrs.

EVERY one of them is available for you to peruse if you wish to see the things I believe. Kinda how I went to your website to see what you were about.

No problem. I understand.... but If you have over 7000 posts.... then surely you don’t you mind sparing at least one more ...telling everybody: How did the serpent know what God knew.... I doubt any of your posts explain that?? Please please!!!

 

[PennEd]

How do you know what Satan is eligible for??? Again. Who are you to judge evil in the face of Good... there is no other intentions on Earth other than GOOD.... You make it sound like Satan is still living.. but yet preach Jesus on the cross... his cross is not in vain, death is a lie. Death is irrelevant... the old man is dead. We are alive in Christ. The new man..
judgement has came... God has judged. BUT... it is Now that His Word gets to judge All men!!

THIS is how we know Satan's ultimate place:
Revelation 20:10 New King James Version (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[a] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.



Are you saying God's Word will be broken?

 

[PennEd]

No problem. I understand.... but If you have over 7000 posts.... then surely you don’t you mind sparing at least one more ...telling everybody: How did the serpent know what God knew.... I doubt any of your posts explain that?? Please please!!!

I mean it's fairly easy.

He, and the other Angelic Beings, were there when God created the Earth. They were there to see man's creation. And they were there when God gave His Command to Adam.

Why do you think that question is so vital?

 

[CharliRenee]

It pricks my heart to consider anyone or anything on earth having a role more important than Jesus.

 

[TheWind]

THIS is how we know Satan's ultimate place:
Revelation 20:10 New King James Version (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[a] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.



Are saying God's Word will be broken?

How come you keep responding... and asking questions... expecting me to answer yours but you can’t even answer one of mine ....

This is my last post to you!! Because it’s hard to speak to a wall... it’s easier to talk to a window. You just keep repeating my words back to me...

To answer you again. Without respect to my question...
Gods word.... Is Fulfilled!! Christ is the fulfillment... there is no more death. Revelation 101.... He is the beginning and the end! Therefore we wait for the promise... not for death ...
You are waiting to see something that has already happened in the spiritual... the manifestation of the unseen to the seen... but I assure you. Christ already bound Satan!!! Well again that’s my belief...
did you ask so you could attach again? It doesn’t matter.
I don’t have to reply to you. Or block you I guess whatever I prefer.

 

[TheWind]

I mean it's fairly easy.

He, and the other Angelic Beings, were there when God created the Earth. They were there to see man's creation. And they were there when God gave His Command to Adam.

Why do you think that question is so vital?

Can I please see that scripture .... Jesus was in the foundation... ONE Spirit... One Glory... One God... Where in the bible does it say that other beings were present in the foundation.. I’m curious. I never read that in the seven days of creation when God created angels? They were lesser than him... I do believe they exist surely... but I never read where Moses wrote that in the first seven days of creation. Is that your speculation of angels or is that in the written Word?

 

[PennEd]

Can I please see that scripture .... Jesus was in the foundation... ONE Spirit... One Glory... One God... Where in the bible does it say that other beings were present in the foundation.. I’m curious. I never read that in the seven days of creation when God created angels? They were lesser than him... I do believe they exist surely... but I never read where Moses wrote that in the first seven days of creation. Is that your speculation of angels or is that in the written Word?

Here ya go:

Job 38:6-7 New King James Version (NKJV)
6 To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 WHEN the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

 

[TheWind]

It pricks my heart to consider anyone or anything on earth having a role more important than Jesus.

Wow .. how Words get twisted..

Let’s see ... Maybe GOD!!!! Had a more important role in them ALL! Jesus worshipped the Father. Not himself...
We worship the Name of Christ... and you can praise any man in the flesh for what they do... but I will praise the heavenly Father ...for what he did... I thank God “ the Father” for Jesus... for giving us Jesus ... and putting his Spirit upon him to do Good in the Father’s name... . I worship the father of heaven and Earth.. The same father that Jesus worshipped ... therefore if the father wants to Use Judas to Glorify Jesus. Then so be it... the Role of the man is least compared to the purpose of God... he is the father of the Just and the Unjust... we all fall short of the Glory of God... And Jesus was not yet glorified when Judas did what he did... Or should I rather say...God had not yet glorified Jesus as God...Jesus and the Father are one... and inGlory they have the same name.. So the father took the father to the cross... Judas’s betrayal is vital to Jesus glorification. They are one to say the least... Evil intentions are not really evil... If God had purpose for them all along...

I remember reading ... how when Jesus was speaking to the crowds... the wise and prudent...would pick out the most insignificant detail of his words and try to twist them , and manipulate them ... just to try and make him look bad.

I feel blessed to be called Luciferian. . after all that is what they call the master of the house. So I take that as a great compliment. And Jesus one voice was one against all. So you guys can all keep picking my words apart it doesn’t really bother me .... the Lord will get his say so regardless of what I believe or what any of you cling too... whether it be today, tomorrow or never ..
I know from whom I came.. but you do not know me..
and instead being open, your ears are closed.

There is no other intention on earth other than good. God is the only purpose. And Jesus was like a present with a big bow.... but what lived inside, was the present!!! . The flesh is gone... but you seek a man... I seek the truth.
Good luck to you..

 

[PennEd]

Can I please see that scripture .... Jesus was in the foundation... ONE Spirit... One Glory... One God... Where in the bible does it say that other beings were present in the foundation.. I’m curious. I never read that in the seven days of creation when God created angels? They were lesser than him... I do believe they exist surely... but I never read where Moses wrote that in the first seven days of creation. Is that your speculation of angels or is that in the written Word?

A simple yes or no will do.

Do you believe Jesus IS GOD in the flesh?

 

[TheWind]

Here ya go:

Job 38:6-7 New King James Version (NKJV)
6 To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 WHEN the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Oh oh. Is it my turn. I love to speak. I know !! I know!! .....Jesus was in the foundation!!
Your one scripture says nothing! We are in Christ!!! But the stars are not his light... Heres the question... what were they singing to.. the creation?? The stars are created beings in the heavens ... BUT GOD IS IN THE BEGINNING... it didn’t mean that he wasn’t going to manifest what was in his heart from the foundation... they didn’t even exist until he spoke them into creation ....maybe their only purpose was to praise his name!!! The stars were made on the fourth day in the creation of the heavens and Earth... You interpret scripture like it’s physical not spiritual. The stars were singing to someone... not themselves.