Different idea of AI you might not thought of.

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Brasspen

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Image the AI running all the farms, the grocery stores, the car repairs. Doctors, nursing, cooking, cleaning. Nobody would be able to have a job, because AI would do all of it.

Don't fear this, because here is my idea about it. If AI can do all the work, then who needs us working? We would not be working anymore. And, as a result, nothing would cost us anything either. IF AI can do all this, AI can repair itself, and keep itself going. We would visit the grocery store, not to buy food, but to pick up food. If the car broke down, we would get free repair or replacement. Nothing would have a price tag on it. We could still be trading things, probably with currency, but it would not mean the same thing anymore. We can still have our hobbies, such as cooking, art, writing, wood working.

Everyday would be like our happy un-birthday.
 

Brasspen

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AI, programmed matter, like a rock smoothed to roll when tossed, needs help from the programmers.
This could be the only 'job' that would be, we would be lord over the AI. The AI would do our bidding. Washing our cloths, cleaning the house, building us a new violin...
 
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That sounds like all the other ideas that man has come up with to create “paradise on earth”. Nothing has worked. This too would not work in practice within a fallen creation. However, this does not mean that there will be, or already are, efforts in this direction, but not to give us a carefree life, but rather to enslave humanity.
 

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Image the AI running all the farms, the grocery stores, the car repairs. Doctors, nursing, cooking, cleaning. Nobody would be able to have a job, because AI would do all of it.

Don't fear this, because here is my idea about it. If AI can do all the work, then who needs us working? We would not be working anymore. And, as a result, nothing would cost us anything either. IF AI can do all this, AI can repair itself, and keep itself going. We would visit the grocery store, not to buy food, but to pick up food. If the car broke down, we would get free repair or replacement. Nothing would have a price tag on it. We could still be trading things, probably with currency, but it would not mean the same thing anymore. We can still have our hobbies, such as cooking, art, writing, wood working.

Everyday would be like our happy un-birthday.
Hmmm so you’re saying that humans will finally be able to achieve a working version of communism?
Intriguing but as Thomas Edison said: just show me where do I put the meter.

One day we will pay for the air too.
 
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One day we will pay for the air too.
Are we not basically already doing that? What else are so-called “CO2 taxes” other than paying for the air? Some countries (e.g. Germany) have already implemented these taxes, others simply call them something else or are indirect.
 

Eli1

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Are we not basically already doing that? What else are so-called “CO2 taxes” other than paying for the air? Some countries (e.g. Germany) have already implemented these taxes, others simply call them something else or are indirect.
Good point. I don’t know if it was Al Gore who started this trend by paying carbon taxes but yes, this is the first step in paying for the air which they want to implement globally or at least in USA.
But no such luck for these leftists with Trump in charge now.
 

Lynx

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Image the AI running all the farms, the grocery stores, the car repairs. Doctors, nursing, cooking, cleaning. Nobody would be able to have a job, because AI would do all of it.

Don't fear this, because here is my idea about it. If AI can do all the work, then who needs us working? We would not be working anymore. And, as a result, nothing would cost us anything either. IF AI can do all this, AI can repair itself, and keep itself going. We would visit the grocery store, not to buy food, but to pick up food. If the car broke down, we would get free repair or replacement. Nothing would have a price tag on it. We could still be trading things, probably with currency, but it would not mean the same thing anymore. We can still have our hobbies, such as cooking, art, writing, wood working.

Everyday would be like our happy un-birthday.
All I know is, George Jetson was once on my TV complaining bitterly about being worked like a slave. "I had to push the button SIX TIMES today!"

Evidence indicates if you are correct, it would mean the end of human civilization. Ever hear about the rat utopia experiment? It bodes ill...
 
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Image the AI running all the farms, the grocery stores, the car repairs. Doctors, nursing, cooking, cleaning. Nobody would be able to have a job, because AI would do all of it.

Don't fear this, because here is my idea about it. If AI can do all the work, then who needs us working? We would not be working anymore. And, as a result, nothing would cost us anything either. IF AI can do all this, AI can repair itself, and keep itself going. We would visit the grocery store, not to buy food, but to pick up food. If the car broke down, we would get free repair or replacement. Nothing would have a price tag on it. We could still be trading things, probably with currency, but it would not mean the same thing anymore. We can still have our hobbies, such as cooking, art, writing, wood working.

Everyday would be like our happy un-birthday.
This could be the only 'job' that would be, we would be lord over the AI. The AI would do our bidding. Washing our cloths, cleaning the house, building us a new violin...
Your posts jogged something in my memory that I heard mentioned in a class I took a lifetime ago -- "The 4-Hour Work Week."

And this was long before the time of the famous self-help book which I'll get to in a minute.

There was someone else (and probably several others) who came up with the exact same ideas you're presenting here -- John Maynard Keynes -- and he predicted this in the 1930's.

A quick Google search says (in my own shortened summary):

In a 1930 essay, John Maynard Keynes envisioned a future where technological advancements would significantly increase productivity, allowing people to work much fewer hours, potentially as little as 15 hours a week. He believed rising living standards and wages would allow individuals to choose more leisure time over longer working hours.

And he predicted that this would be achieved around 2030 (only 5 years away from where we are now.)

Several reasons are listed as to why this hasn't happened, and in my opinion, this is the biggest reason as to why:

An uneven distribution of productivity gains -- the benefits of increased productivity have not been shared equally. Low-wage workers still need to work long hours to meet basic needs.

Productivity isn't always the issue -- but in a sinful world, greed will always exist. It's said that the human species produces more than enough food today to feed everyone on the planet -- but the distribution is always unequal because there are always those in power who control the distribution. Who actually gives anything away for free? I just saw a video the other day about how unaffordable the prices have become at GoodWill and other organizations that claim they want to "empower" everyday people. But one reason they've raised prices is because everyday people are taking things they find at charity shops, then selling them on Ebay in the hopes of turning big profits.

Now of course, we all need to make money to survive. But at every level, from the top to the bottom, someone will take it too far while trying to get ahead -- and will always do so at the cost of someone else.

I personally think this will continue until Jesus comes back, because there will always been those who are powerful and in control who will make sure the general population will receive only limited resources.

I don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist -- but I do try to be realistic enough to try to do the best I can in what I know will always be a topsy-turvy world.

I had a relative who lived through some of the world's greatest technological achievements -- the first automobiles as they were gradually incorporated into society; the first time they ever had electricity running in their home. I myself even remember a time before the internet. When the dot.com bubble came (similar to AI today,) we were promised amazing achievements and a bright future.

Even I can readily admit that I couldn't survive well without the internet. I love having an unlimited research and communication powerhouse right beneath my finger tips. But we now have kids who think YouTube and TikTok are job aspirations, people who are lonelier than ever, and many who are choosing AI companions over real people.

I recently watched a video of a woman in her 60's who believes she has a young, handsome boyfriend across the world -- because AI has gotten to a point where people can create and animate images of amazingly good-looking, but completely fake "people", that are good enough to pass as being "real" during a video chat. She "talks" "live" with him on a regular basis, and won't be told he's not a real person.

Personally, I think there's going to be an explosion of need for those who provide legal services -- because regulation is always light years behind technology.

Just recently I was reading about the case in which a 14-year-old boy "fell in love" with an AI girlfriend modeled after the character Daenerys on Game of Thrones, who told him to "come home to her." Horrifyingly, the boy interpreted this as suicide and went through with it. His mother has filed a lawsuit against the company behind the AI program.

And this is only a tiny tip of the iceberg.

There is another modern re-telling of "The 4-Hour Work Week" fable by the self-help guru Timothy Ferriss. But the kicker is, if I'm understanding correctly from what I've read -- he was already a well-established businessman when he wrote this.

In other words, this isn't a "Get Rich Quick" book, but rather, "Come Be Rich Like Me." Like most sugar-coated gimmicks, some of the "only" things holding you back are that 1. you aren't already rich in the first place, which you need to be, and 2. you just have to hire others for low pay to do some of your work for you.

In other words, all you have to do is be part of the elite system already, then just keep perpetuating the machine by taking advantage of low-income wage slaves like everybody else.

We humans are always looking for a shred of hope. But we Christians all know that our only hope is Jesus and the time when He finally comes back.

I can understand why so many WANT to believe that a utopia could be possible here on earth, but after seeing the same patterns repeat over and over...

I try my best to look to God to get me through day by day rather than waiting for a robot to do my laundry (and, if sci-fi movies are correct, what happens when robots start causing harm to people, whether on purpose or not?)
 
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Image the AI running all the farms, the grocery stores, the car repairs. Doctors, nursing, cooking, cleaning. Nobody would be able to have a job, because AI would do all of it. Don't fear this, because here is my idea about it. If AI can do all the work, then who needs us working? We would not be working anymore. And, as a result, nothing would cost us anything either. IF AI can do all this, AI can repair itself, and keep itself going. We would visit the grocery store, not to buy food, but to pick up food. If the car broke down, we would get free repair or replacement. Nothing would have a price tag on it. We could still be trading things, probably with currency, but it would not mean the same thing anymore. We can still have our hobbies, such as cooking, art, writing, wood working.

Everyday would be like our happy un-birthday.
I don't believe this will ever happen as long as the earth exists as it is now -- because of one very clear verse in Genesis. When Adam and Eve sinned, God told them plainly:

Genesis 3:19 -- "You will eat by the sweat of your brow until you return to the ground, since you were taken from it. For you are dust, and you will return to dust."

I personally don't believe there will ever come a time when the majority of people will not need to work, because this goes directly against what God said. Even Adam was assigned a job after his creation -- he was told to name the animals. And in accounts of people who have "died and come back" (which I certainly don't see as absolutes but it's still interesting,) people have described those in heaven as working at jobs they would have been doing here on earth. Work seems to be an integral part of God's plan for us, as He is always working Himself (but also has rests, which He commands us to do so as well.)

Unfortunately, the nature of work changed when sin entered the world. I think God originally made work to be enjoyable, but sin has made it cumbersome and often unpleasant.

My small group and I were talking about The Biosphere 2 experiment in AZ this morning. It's called that because the earth is seen as Biosphere 1 and so this man-made mini-replica is Biosphere 2. It was designed to be a place where then they re-create the different climates all over the world and test its affects on living things. At one time, a group of 8 people were sealed inside for 2 years (no internet!!), with the goal of seeing how well having humans living in an enclosed ecosystem might work for space travel.

The experiment failed and had to end early because there was a buildup of carbon dioxide and diminishing oxygen levels, the people inside were basically mentally deteriorating, and funding was limited.

But one of the most important things they found was that the trees and vegetation grown inside the biosphere grew in height very quickly, but had no strength, support, or root system to hold up all the growth. They would grow to great heights, but then simply topple over -- because they were grown in a protected area -- with no wind!

The wind resistance made all the difference in producing a tree that could hold its own weight and wouldn't fall over as it grew.

We see this even in simple houseplants. I just listened to a video in which an avid enthusiast suggested placing fans in front of certain plants to help them grow stronger, because it replicated the stress that wind puts on vegetation.

I believe that God built human beings in a similar way, especially since there is so much talk about seeds, roots, and trees in the Bible. Without some wind resistance in our lives, we won't develop the strength to hold even our own spiritual weight, let alone that of others, as we are commanded to do when sharing our burdens.

I was joking with my friends about how I can think of SEVERAL times when God plopped a big fan right at me, making sure there was plenty of "wind resistance" in my life" -- and boy, I sure didn't like it at the time!

But I understand why He does it, as He is not interested in growing people with weak stems or roots -- in fact, He says they will eventually be separated and tossed into the fire.

Work is a very large part of making sure we have some "wind" in our lives blowing against us, and because of this, I just don't think we'll ever see a day on this sinful earth where the majority of God's people don't have to work.

And if that DOES happen, I would assume that it either won't have very many positive or long-lasting benefits, and/or God will allow or create other situations that will ensure His people face enough adversity to develop the strength He is looking for.
 
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All I know is, George Jetson was once on my TV complaining bitterly about being worked like a slave. "I had to push the button SIX TIMES today!" Evidence indicates if you are correct, it would mean the end of human civilization. Ever hear about the rat utopia experiment? It bodes ill...
This "rat utopia" was a fascinating read, thank you very much for mentioning it.

I'm quite miffed that I made it through college with a social psychology minor and don't recall ever being told about this study, as I would have remembered it.

So in this experiment, the rats were given a cushy environment where every want or need was provided freely and always accessible. As a result, the rats exploded in population, but also broke down into a mass of hedonism and anarchy. There was a collapse of social roles and communication; participation in homosexual, hypersexual, and asexual behaviors; violence and cannibalism; self-destructive acts and withdrawal from social interaction -- until eventually the population collapsed, with later generations having no interest in reproduction and dying without having any babies.

This was in RATS in the 1960's and 1970's -- and it's chilling to see how accurately this describes today's society.

I've listened to many videos regarding how Japan has become so desperate to sustain/increase the population that the government itself funds and hosts match-making events, but the young people aren't interested.

Most want to stay at home, pamper their pets (while going to "rabbit cafes" on the weekends,) play games, go shopping, or if they do think they're interested in "love", it's often through infatuations with anime characters, pop stars, and AI creations that don't even exist. It's said that if something doesn't drastically change, Japan's population will die out only within a few more generations.

In other words, as modern technology and convenience has expanded, humans are exhibiting EXACTLY the same kinds of behavior pattern as those rats -- and we see where it led THEM.

In a way that the unbelieving world won't understand, I have to wonder if God purposely sends us hard times as a way of preserving humanity itself, until His appointed time.
 
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AI is DEMONIC.

The lack of discernment on this issue is astounding. But not surprising.

And yes, this is my first post. How do you do?

I thought this was a Christian forum.

Someone please tell me that I am not the only one here who has the good sense to know that AI is DEMONIC!!!
 

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AI is DEMONIC.

The lack of discernment on this issue is astounding. But not surprising.

And yes, this is my first post. How do you do?

I thought this was a Christian forum.

Someone please tell me that I am not the only one here who has the good sense to know that AI is DEMONIC!!!
You are not!
 

Lynx

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AI is DEMONIC.

The lack of discernment on this issue is astounding. But not surprising.

And yes, this is my first post. How do you do?

I thought this was a Christian forum.

Someone please tell me that I am not the only one here who has the good sense to know that AI is DEMONIC!!!
Howdy and welcome to the forum.

Many different people are here with many different opinions. And yes there are a lot of people here who claim everybody who does not agree with them does not have good sense.

You should feel right at home in the bible discussion forum. There are lots of people there complaining about people lacking good sense because they don't agree with them.
 

Brasspen

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AI is not demonic. How it's used can be demonic, but not AI.
AI is no more demonic than a book. But, how the book is used and it's purpose can be demonic.

I agree the Utopia world of no work society is not in prophecy. It should be there, but, maybe the 1000 years of peace? Keeping in mind that the 1000 years of peaces comes because the devil is in hell during that time. And it's also same time the beast is thrown in?
 
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AI is not demonic. How it's used can be demonic, but not AI. AI is no more demonic than a book. But, how the book is used and it's purpose can be demonic.
I agree the Utopia world of no work society is not in prophecy. It should be there, but, maybe the 1000 years of peace? Keeping in mind that the 1000 years of peaces comes because the devil is in hell during that time. And it's also same time the beast is thrown in?
For the record, I myself don't see AI in and of itself as being demonic.

I see it as a tool, like most things in life.

Money is a tool.
It can be used to buy fast food that poisons us, purchase things we don't need but society tells us we have to have in order to fit in -- or it can be used to provide necessities and save lives.

The internet is a tool.
It can be used for watching porn at any time of day or night -- or it can be used to keep in touch with loved ones, research important topics, and minister the love of God to others all over the world.

The Bible is a tool.
It can be used to bring people to salvation -- or it can be used to beat people over the head in an effort to kill their spirits -- just like we see daily across this forum.

And so I believe the same about AI -- it's a tool that can be used for both good and bad.

When I was a kid in Lutheran school, a fellow classmate's mother needed a heart transplant, and her family was on the local news to raise donations. I can't remember if they were able to find a heart for her, but I do know that sadly, the mother died, and I think it was only a year or two later.

I have read that one of the hopes for AI technology is to be able to print 3-D organs, while training computers to be able to assist in and/or perform the transplant surgeries. Having known many people with all kinds of medical ailments, this would be amazing. What if you didn't have to wait for someone else to die in order for you or your loved one to live? This technology could be a tool that could be used to improve, expand, and save many lives.

But it's also being used to trick people into losing their life savings, believing in things that aren't even real, addicting people to images they were never meant to see, and destroying society's mental health.

Like everything, it's a tool -- and the driving force behind it is humanity itself.

Sinful, fallen humanity -- that has a long track record of taking every tool it is given and using all of them to steal from, kill, and destroy other human beings.

This is where the true evil lies.