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Do protestants have a reasonable non-Roman-Catholic explanation for John 20:22-23?
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All Scripture came through the Apostles from God, not from the church. The church is the people, they didn’t write anything; if they did, it wasn’t authorized by God.
All scripture is inspired by God
We know that God's truth stands the test of time and all subsequent Scripture must be inspired by God as well. But, the important thing to keep in mind is that this verse does not say that Scripture is the only thing inspired by God.
All scripture...is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction...(and the list goes on).
I emphasized the word "useful" for a reason. Notice how it says "useful" and not something like "the only thing" or "the only means". In other words, scripture is helpful, it is a resource, an aid (add your own synonym here). This verse, nor the word "useful", nor its synonyms imply that it is the only rule of faith. It says that it is something useful for one's faith.
Do you mean apostles and church are seperate?
Apostles do not belong to Church?!!
You funny
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The 12 Apostles, whom God chose. The ones from whom wrote down His inspired word.
So yes, separate. The church (members wrote nothing), except from those 12 chosen by God.
Notice that the passage nowhere even hints that Scripture is "sufficient"—which is, of course, exactly what Protestants think the passage means.
Mark and Luke were not among the 12 Apostles!
Will you tear away the two gospels from your bible?
Even Paul was not among the 12 too.
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We are complete with what He has given us. Notice it says this in Scripture:
“All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
II Timothy 3:16-17 NKJV
If you ADD/ SUBTRACT anything, here is your warning:
“For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
Revelation 22:18-19 NKJV
Fallacy: equivocation.
You are diminishing the value and importance of Scripture by playing with the meaning of one word. The point of the passage is not that Scripture is “merely useful” but that it is God-breathed AND may be used for all the purposes listed.
In other words, we are exhorted to use Scripture to teach, rebuke and correct. Does it say there are no other tools? No… and it doesn’t need to. Other passages of Scripture teach us to seek and rely on the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Woof.
So let's get this straight: the children could play on the lap of the Most High but "laypeople" cannot approach the alter during mass?
Exhibit 1 of why you should come out of the Roman church.
Winner!
… for the stupidest thing I’ve read all day.
The Old covenant priesthood is not the model for the Church.
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Yep, my bad, however men were chosen by God to write the things inspired by God, and not just members in the church throughout history.
Bottom line, man does not have the authority to add/ take away from His word; it is complete.
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The church is the people, not a structure. Yes, you can worship wherever, in the middle of the woods, as long as there are 2 or more saints, or online with saints.
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The Levites were God’s chosen in the OC to perform duties in the tabernacle:
“Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “This is what pertains to the Levites: From twenty-five years old and above one may enter to perform service in the work of the tabernacle of meeting; and at the age of fifty years they must cease performing this work, and shall work no more. They may minister with their brethren in the tabernacle of meeting, to attend to needs, but they themselves shall do no work. Thus you shall do to the Levites regarding their duties.””
Numbers 8:23-26 NKJV
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Yes, in the OC days:
“Then Moses said to Korah, “Hear now, you sons of Levi: Is it a small thing to you that the God of Israel has separated you from the congregation of Israel, to bring you near to Himself, to do the work of the tabernacle of the Lord, and to stand before the congregation to serve them;”
Numbers 16:8-9 NKJV
Under the NC:
“you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.”
I Peter 2:5, 9-10 NKJV
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Psst… you can even worship when you’re alone.
Yes, but I was specifically referring to actual worship on Sundays.
“For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.””
Matthew 18:20 NKJV
I get it… and with respect, solo worship is not something other than “actual worship”. It is only different than “corporate worship with regard to the number of participants.Yes, but I was specifically referring to actual worship on Sundays.
“For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.””
Matthew 18:20 NKJV
So going to church is not necessary for you.
Stay home and worship on your own.