Do we have a complete, perfect, and sufficient Bible?

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GRACE_ambassador

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There are many today who refuse to accept the fact that our Protestant Bible (and I refer to the King James Bible or KJB) is not complete, perfect, and sufficient.
I humbly accept:

1) It is Complete, Perfect, and Sufficient, Having God The Father's Offer

2) Also Pure And Preserved:

"The Words of The LORD Are Pure Words: as silver tried in a furnace​
of earth, purified seven times. Thou Shalt Keep Them, O LORD, Thou​
Shalt Preserve Them from this generation for ever. " (Psalm 12:6-7 AV)​

3) Also Inspired And Thus Profitable:

"All Scripture Is Given By Inspiration of God, and is Profitable for doctrine,​
for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man​
of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. "​
(2 Timothy 3:16-17 AV)​

4) And Also "Higher Than All Else [ Including God's Name! ]" (Psalm 138:2 AV),
And, So Much More:​


Amen.
 

Nehemiah6

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Yes. This is the sole basis for the remission of sins. And nowhere except in the Bible will anyone find another basis. So God made sure that His eternal Word and eternal Gospel would be preserved for all time.

There is not enough attention to the shed blood of Christ among evangelical Christians. But the Bible says that without the SHEDDING OF BLOOD there is no remission of sins. And it was the blood of God that was shed for our redemption. Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. (Acts 20:28)

We have been purchased with the blood of God. That is an amazing statement. That also establishes that the Lord Jesus Christ nothing less than God. Therefore the Bible also says this: And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the Prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. (Rev 1:5,6)

This is exactly why God must receive all the glory forever. This is also why no man can save himself by good works. Modern translations say "freed us from our sins" but how? The KJB says "washed us" and this also corresponds to the "washing of regeneration". Young's Literal Translation has "did bathe us from our sins in his blood" which is very similar. This is something invisible, supernatural, and spiritual.
 

John146

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I will… right after you post the scripture stating that double standards are acceptable.
Here's your double standard.:LOL: Please post scripture where a whale is not a great fish.
Proverbs 26:
4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
 

Dino246

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Here's your double standard.:LOL: Please post scripture where a whale is not a great fish.
Proverbs 26:
4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
Fail! That's not a double standard. Try again!
 

hornetguy

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This is why studying the Bible, such as the New Testament, in the Koine Greek or the Hebrew in the Old Testament, helps one to get closer to what the writer intended.
Yes, it most certainly would help.... but MOST people do not have the education necessary to do that. At best, they can rely on someone else's explanation of the Greek and Hebrew.. that is where I agree with you, that the Bible, in any of the major translations is complete and accurate... it's all anyone needs to hear and understand what God intends for His children.
Arguing over which translation is the best/only is a complete discount of what we were told.... the Spirit guides us in our study and understanding.... any perceived "flaw" or incorrect conjugation of a verb is covered, through the Spirit.
 

GRACE_ambassador

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This is why studying the Bible, such as the New Testament, in the Koine Greek or the Hebrew in the Old Testament, helps one to get closer to what the writer intended.
a language scholar to understand God's Word Of Truth, or: The Holy Spirit?
Yes, it most certainly would help.... but MOST people do not have the education necessary to do that.
Thanks So Much from a simpleton like me ♫


"Simplicity In Christ!" Amen.
 

hornetguy

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Thanks So Much from a simpleton like me ♫
And me. I can do a search in an interlinear Greek/English if I am looking for a definition, or useage issue, but for 99.87% (scientifically proven) of all Biblical issues, just reading with understanding, and the guidance of the Spirit is all that is needed.
 

Jimbone

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Fail! That's not a double standard. Try again!
Just mind blowing.
It's honestly crazy. These guys could make any book " The Perfect and Complete Word of God" using these illogical tactics and the sloppy proof texting they use. Again it reminds me of Democrat tactics in the political field. They claim their belief is rock solid yet trying to get down to the base of the issues and problems with their belief, is like trying to nail Jell-O to the wall. Calling this a double standard shows not only a ridiculous level of mental gymnastics and an unquenchable need to be right about everything, but an almost juvenile understanding of the scripture they use for these silly games. I am amazed where this kind of blind faith, cult like mentality is found sometimes.
 

John146

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Just mind blowing.
It's honestly crazy. These guys could make any book " The Perfect and Complete Word of God" using these illogical tactics and the sloppy proof texting they use. Again it reminds me of Democrat tactics in the political field. They claim their belief is rock solid yet trying to get down to the base of the issues and problems with their belief, is like trying to nail Jell-O to the wall. Calling this a double standard shows not only a ridiculous level of mental gymnastics and an unquenchable need to be right about everything, but an almost juvenile understanding of the scripture they use for these silly games. I am amazed where this kind of blind faith, cult like mentality is found sometimes.
Does God‘s word contain errors?
Does God’s word contain any untruths?
Is God’s word completely trustworthy?

Btw, faith come by hearing and hearing by the word of God. If you do not have access to God’s word, how are you able to have faith?
 

Dino246

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Does God‘s word contain errors?
Does God’s word contain any untruths?
Is God’s word completely trustworthy?

Btw, faith come by hearing and hearing by the word of God. If you do not have access to God’s word, how are you able to have faith?
Fallacy upon fallacy.

You say “God’s word” but by that you mean the KJV. That’s the fallacy of equivocation.

You say, if you do not have access to God’s word, how are you able to have faith” but you mean “the perfect and complete written word of God”. That’s a fallacy of misrepresentation.

Scripture does not say, “Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the complete and perfect word of God.”

I’m still waiting for you to provide Scripture justifying use of double standards.
 

John146

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Fallacy upon fallacy.

You say “God’s word” but by that you mean the KJV. That’s the fallacy of equivocation.

You say, if you do not have access to God’s word, how are you able to have faith” but you mean “the perfect and complete written word of God”. That’s a fallacy of misrepresentation.

Scripture does not say, “Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the complete and perfect word of God.”

I’m still waiting for you to provide Scripture justifying use of double standards.
No sir, what I mean is God's word. Lay aside the KJV for a moment.
 

John146

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You say, if you do not have access to God’s word, how are you able to have faith” but you mean “the perfect and complete written word of God”. That’s a fallacy of misrepresentation.
Are you saying that the verse, "faith comes by hearing the word of God" can mean something close to God's word, but it doesn't have to be perfect and complete? Huh?
 

John146

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Fallacy upon fallacy.

You say “God’s word” but by that you mean the KJV. That’s the fallacy of equivocation.

You say, if you do not have access to God’s word, how are you able to have faith” but you mean “the perfect and complete written word of God”. That’s a fallacy of misrepresentation.

Scripture does not say, “Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the complete and perfect word of God.”

I’m still waiting for you to provide Scripture justifying use of double standards.
I defend the KJV, you have nothing to defend.
 

Dino246

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No sir, what I mean is God's word. Lay aside the KJV for a moment.
Then don't use the term "God's word" when you are talking specifically about the KJV translation of God's word.
 

Dino246

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Are you saying that the verse, "faith comes by hearing the word of God" can mean something close to God's word, but it doesn't have to be perfect and complete? Huh?
Does one have to hear the "complete and perfect" word of God to come to saving faith? Huh?

As I have advised you previously (probably several times!), you need to consider the implications of your statements before posting them.
 

Dino246

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Whether I "have anything to defend" is irrelevant. My criticisms of your position remain valid.

Using fallacies to defend anything just makes your arguments worthless.
 

John146

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Does one have to hear the "complete and perfect" word of God to come to saving faith? Huh?
Of course not, but to grow in their faith to the fullest.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.