Do you believe you can die in unrepentant sin (Such as lying etc) and still be saved?

[dcontroversal]

God's grace did not automatically, unconditionally cover the sins of Ananias and Saffhira.

Sure it did, just so happens that they paid the price physically for their lie, just like David did with the death of his son and the sword in his house and just like the fornicator of Corinthians who was cut lose for the destruction of the FLESH so the spirit can be saved in the day of JESUS........no matter how you slice it and dice it you trust yourself over Jesus and you rely upon works over the faith OF Christ...good luck with that....you can plead your works, water and COC membership...I will plead the mercy and grace of God based upon the FAITH of JESUS....we will see at the end of the day!

 

[dcontroversal]

if physical punishment and death is evidence of eternal condemnation, no man has ever been saved, but Elijah & Enoch.

Amen to that......and I agree......!

 

[ember]

If you call asking professing Christians to be honest trying to straighten out everyone on here, then, yes, I fully intend to do the same. Would you rather that I just ignore slanders, false accusations and distortions of what people have actually said and let people potentially be misled by the same? I will if I detect that people are stiff-necked and hard-hearted, but hopefully it won't come to that and people who profess to know Christ will actually walk in truth and sincerity and the meekness of true godly wisdom.

By the way, Jesus is SeaBass' lawyer if he belongs to Christ. You wouldn't Him to cross-examine you, would you? Something to think about.

no no...I've never made that statement to anyone but you....you are playing referee without understanding the game

you've just joined and you seem to think you understand everyone and why they say it...I just take exception to that sort of behavior...I find it...kind of puffy

just make sure YOU don't slander and twist ...that's all you have to take care of

posters tend to call out those who twist what they say all by themselves...it's really annoying to have a third party who has just parchuted in, go gangbusters and think they have to correct everyone...

and of course you would definately know who is stiff-necked and or hard-hearted because that is your job

I'm sure you will fit in rather nicely...but I would dig a foxhole if I were you because at the rate you are going, you will get in the cross fire

By the way, Jesus is SeaBass' lawyer if he belongs to Christ. You wouldn't Him to cross-examine you, would you? Something to think about

we have ALL cross-examined him....and found him wanting...Jesus would not represent Mr Bass in the case he presents

 

[SeaBass]

There is no such thing...you are either in Christ and your life hid in Christ with the grace of God bounding ahead of your sin or your lost......someone who is found under the banner of a liar is unforgiven and has not had the blood applied....the child of God loses rewards...Not salvation...you really should pay more attention to the word.....

Rev 21;8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Will all liars (including Christians that lie and do not repent) be in the lake of fire or will just SOME liars be in the lake of fire?

 

[dcontroversal]

no no...I've never made that statement to anyone but you....you are playing referee without understanding the game

you've just joined and you seem to think you understand everyone and why they say it...I just take exception to that sort of behavior...I find it...kind of puffy

just make sure YOU don't slander and twist ...that's all you have to take care of

posters tend to call out those who twist what they say all by themselves...it's really annoying to have a third party who has just parchuted in, go gangbusters and think they have to correct everyone...

and of course you would definately know who is stiff-necked and or hard-hearted because that is your job

I'm sure you will fit in rather nicely...but I would dig a foxhole if I were you because at the rate you are going, you will get in the cross fire



we have ALL cross-examined him....and found him wanting...Jesus would not represent Mr Bass in the case he presents

Amen to that for sure.........and I agree....

 

[purgedconscience]

So then your definition of eternal is actually temporary? And you believe you are greater than God? I am in the Father's hand, in the hand of Christ, sealed with the spirit of promise and my bible teaches that WHATSOEVER GOD DOES IT IS ETERNAL...not temporary.....

So, you believe that you keep yourself saved? Right?

I believe that we need to abide in the Vine Who is Christ in Whom is eternal life, just as the Bible teaches.

 

[FancyNancy]

Do you believe you can die in unrepentant sin (Such as lying, looking upon women lustfully, and hating, etc) and still be saved?

Please back up what you say with Scripture on this issue.

Thank you.
And may God bless you all.

Every born again Christian will die with some sin sticking to them that they may have not confessed, or may have committed a sin unknowingly. However, when we first come to Christ, we will repent, and the blood of Jesus has cleansed us of ALL sin, and that means all past, present and future sins.

We need to keep a short account with God concerning our sins, and we need to confess them. Repenting has already been done. The confession we do is for us, and for us to remain in fellowship with God. We are under God's continual flow of forgiveness because of His great grace.

In God's eyes, He looks at us and all He sees is Jesus, and us completed in Him. He doesn't see the sin, because He has already wiped it out, forgiven it and cast it into the deepest sea. He calls us righteous. So, should we die with unconfessed sin, it is already forgiven, and we will go to the Father.

 

[ember]

Don't sweat it. From now on, I'll research every claim that I hear on this forum to determine whether or not they're true. Ultimately, God knows what we've said and what we haven't said and we'll all give an account for every idle word which we have spoken. That alone ought to strike fear into our hearts, but some seem to have foolishly cast off the fear of the Lord altogether.

you've just made my point

stay at home griper?

 

[ember]

This is rich coming from you HAHAH WOW.......

you can find it catalogued under 'true fiction'

 

[purgedconscience]

if physical punishment and death is evidence of eternal condemnation, no man has ever been saved, but Elijah & Enoch.

I think that there is ample evidence in scripture to conclude that neither Elijah nor Enoch ascended to heaven bodily, but that they both died physically.

 

[dcontroversal]

Rev 21;8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Will all liars (including Christians that lie and do not repent) be in the lake of fire or will just SOME liars be in the lake of fire?

Yeah no doubt...applied unto those who have rejected Christ and found under the condemnation of the law.....one of these days you will find out albeit too late......! ALL have SINNED and come short of the glory of God and if God should mark iniquity NONE WOULD STAND....I will take the place where God does not mark iniquity because EVERY SIN I HAVE committed or will commit have been NAILED to the CROSS when he became SIN for me so the RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD can be applied unto me by FAITH......

 

[Bookends]

If a Christian can commit the sins of lying and tempting the Spirit of God and still be saved, then that opens the door to allowing/licensing the Christian to commit ANY sin to ANY degree and remain unconditionally saved. If the Christian does not have to repent of his sins but can carry those sins into heaven with him then what purpose did Christ serve in dying on the cross and shedding His blood to cleanse away the sins of the Christian if those sins do not have to be repented of and cleansed away but instead those sins can taken into heaven?

Romans 5:8

8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

What part of this verse don't you understand? It's not rocket science my friend!

Paul says when Christ comes again, those who are still alive will be changed in a twinkling of an eye. If our flesh was already purge completely of sin, then what change is needed?

Peter says when Christ comes, our corrupted bodies will be changed to uncorruptible glorified bodies.

I don't think you really understand the 2 ideas of sanctification. First we are sanctified by His blood, Christ stands in our place before the Father regarding our sins. He intercedes for us. Second, our soul is being continually sanctified from our fleshly desires, this is called spiritual growth, Paul calls this transformation, changing from glory to glory.

2 Corinthians 3:18 (NASB)
But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

 

[FancyNancy]

Revelation 21:8 says ALL liars will have their part in the lake of fire. It does not make a rule of exception here.

Yeah, but Christians might err and lie, but they are not liars. They are no longer sinners.

 

[SeaBass]

I would have worded your original comments a bit differently than you did, but I figured that this is what you were attempting to say and I personally agree with what you stated. Eternal life is in Christ and we need to truly abide in Him to maintain the same. If we depart from Christ Who is the source of eternal life, then we're not eternally secure, but eternally lost. This doesn't mean that I believe it's one slip up and you're lost, but I do believe that our hearts can be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin to the point where we can depart from the living God. We'd be wise to heed God's exhortation to harden not our hearts when we hear His voice on any day that is called today as we're admonished to in Hebrews chapters 3 and 4 and Psalm 95. Yes, we ought to be daily exhorting one another and all the more as we see the day of Christ's return approaching, but apparently some people here aren't too fond of such exhortations.

For more clarification on my part:

1 Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


As long as the Christian CONDITIONALLY continues to walk in the light then Christ's blood continues to wash away all sins so one "slip up" will not cause the Christian to fall from as Christ as long as he CONTINUES to walk in the light.

If the Christian quits walking in the light altogether then any sin he commits will not be cleansed away by the blood of Christ leaving the Christian is a lost state with his uncleansed sins.

 

[kennethcadwell]

So then your definition of eternal is actually temporary? And you believe you are greater than God? I am in the Father's hand, in the hand of Christ, sealed with the spirit of promise and my bible teaches that WHATSOEVER GOD DOES IT IS ETERNAL...not temporary.....

So, you believe that you keep yourself saved? Right?

Problem is there are a lot of people who believe the way you do, that they are eternally saved right at this moment.

The issue is though is that when judgement comes around some to most of them will be told by the Lord He never knew them because they continued to live a life of being unloving and uncaring toward others, and continued to live a sinful lifestyle because they trusted that only believing Jesus exists is enough.

Matthew 25:31-46 both the sheep and the goats believed in Jesus and called Him Lord, but only the sheep get eternal life because they did the will of God by walking in love and helping out others. The goats did not do the Fathers will and turned those away who needed help and therefore was sent to eternal punishment.

Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus shows the same thing that not everybody who calls Him Lord will get eternal life, only those who does the Fathers will in their life and turns away from their sinful ways.


Those who continue to sin willfully rather they call Jesus their Lord will not get eternal life do to their our right rejection of the Holy Spirit's guidance. These are the one's Hebrews says that trample on the blood of Christ and therefore do not receive remission but will face God at judgement and cast into the lake of fire.

 

[purgedconscience]

you've just made my point

stay at home griper?

Not even close.

We're instructed to prove all things in scripture and that's simply what I intend to do.

Your nasty disposition...do you suppose that it comes from Christ?

It doesn't.

 

[posthuman]

hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,
so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
(1 Corinthians 5:5)
​

wonder why Paul says destruction of the " σαρκός " ((flesh))
instead of destruction of the " πνεῦμα " ((spirit / soul)) ?
what does this mean, the soul can be saved even though the flesh is consumed?

as far as repentance -- if i don't confess aforehand, for sure what sin remains in me will be burned out on that day. ((does sin remain in the one who has died to it at all? doesn't Paul say, "no longer i that sins, but sin dwelling in me?" or to the effect? . . . probably another thread))

so what does this mean?

If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved --
even though only as one escaping through the flames.
(1 Corinthians 3:15) ​

i can't pretend those verses aren't present in the scripture any more than i can pretend sin is not sin.

seriously, what do these mean?
i know that the right answer praises God, and does not glorify men.

 

[ember]

I think that there is ample evidence in scripture to conclude that neither Elijah nor Enoch ascended to heaven bodily, but that they both died physically.

great

let's have a lookie...you are the presenter

 

[SeaBass]

if physical punishment and death is evidence of eternal condemnation, no man has ever been saved, but Elijah & Enoch.

I do not get what your saying. Both Elijah and Enoch died.

 

[dcontroversal]

I think that there is ample evidence in scripture to conclude that neither Elijah nor Enoch ascended to heaven bodily, but that they both died physically.

Well, you just proved that you don't study much, or pay attention to the word of God......as there is ample evidence that they did not taste physical death...........now...maybe they were changed to their eternal state or maybe they come back as the two witnesses and then taste death....ENOCH was translated that he should not see DEATH<-----what part of that is so hard to understand?