Do you think smoking cigerettes should be illegal ?

[Kathleen]

So everything pleasurable is a sin???

no i said most sins are a pleasure.
which means things like adultery - is pleasurable, thats why it is so tempting to sin.
if adultery was sore and annoying and stuff, you wouldnt want to do it, so in that sense , most sins are a pleasure.

aahhh man . another thread which raises a question, only to really be a way for the author of said thread to voice their opinion. misleading someone is a sin also so whosoever is without sin , cast the first stone, i think the first stone was just cast. wow. also you need to check your sources a little better. one can not prove that smoking causes cancer, out due to cancer. You can't prove that it does harm the body, the chemicals that were uswe watched a film 30 years ago on america and its diet. they brought a family of five from some small country, which this county at the time had never had a case of cancer in its history, they brought the family to america. they didn't smoke but within the time period that they were here 2 of the 5 had some type of cancer, but i probably shouldn't say this for now someone will say that eating causes Cancer and I really enjoy my food. oh no enjoying my food would be a sin also!!! oh no, now what am I going to do. studies have been done, lung cancer starts in the bottom of the lungs smoke only reaches the upper parts of the lungs, Now all my information is taken from someone else for I have done no research, and I personal can't prove that smoking does not cause cancer, from my personal knowledge, but I have a sister-in-law who has never smoked her husband has never smoked , however she just had part of her lung taken ed on our croplands( exa. DDT before it was banned in america but is still being used in other countries ) and some other chemicals are still be used on our croplands are far more danderous than smoking but these same chemicals are used on our tobacco crops.
even with their best studies the only warning that could be put on cigerettes was that smoking may lead to. and now they only warn that quitting smoking nowgreatly reduces your chances. and before you ask No I do not smoke anymore I quit close to 13 years ago, because I felt it were coming between me and my service to my God not cause i thought they were destroying the temple. on by the way you forgot the important part of your doctrine on destroying the temple

Mr 7:14And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:Mr 7:15There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

i myself, have no means in testing that lung cancer is caused by smoking.
however, it was released earlier that 90 % OF LUNG CANCER IS CAUSED BY SMOKING!
that was released , and it gets fixed every year to how accurate it is, for that year.
Your story about the family and 2of 5 of them having cancer -cancer is heridetery. this may one of the causes for why they have cancer.
Also a film, 30 YEARS AGO! you cant imagine how much medical research has discovered - people, medicines, desies and how they come about - have all changed!
i think you will find that that should be updated, and watch a film that has maybe come from 2005+
to say eating food is a sin is just STUPID!

should smoking be illegal....hmmm
only on days that I dont want one...*which here lately isnt many!! *

hah! i loled at that - so thank you

 

[Thaddaeus]

I don't want to be unkind or say anything that might offend you, but please look at this fact sheet from National Cancer Institute. I know that you understand that the body is the temple of God / 1Cor 6:19, Jn 2:21. If smoking or drinking or introducing any kind of toxins or even an STD into the blood stream that can effect the cells of the body with some form of disease or cancer is not defiling the body, then what do you call it when it kills the body? If the body dies (that houses the Holy Spirit), didn't the temple die as well? Is not the ultimate defiling of the temple to destroy it?

I have read all your other posts on this, so I know what you think. This is not said to condemn anyone but rather to communicate that partaking of these things are unhealthy, risky and forms of sublimation that substitutes for being filled and energized with the Spirit. If I have to smoke or drink to relax because of all the stress and what it produces upon my nerves, then I have not gone to the Lord for grace to help me in the time of need. Isn't it better to rely and trust the promises of God, even for my fleshly mortal body than to rely on these forms of sublimation? The word of God does say this very clearly in the authorized KJV...

Rom 8:11 'But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.'

I have read all your other posts on this, so I know what you think. This is not said to condemn anyone but rather to communicate that partaking of these things are unhealthy, risky and forms of sublimation that substitutes for being filled and energized with the Spirit. If I have to smoke or drink to relax because of all the stress and what it produces upon my nerves, then I have not gone to the Lord for grace to help me in the time of need. Isn't it better to rely and trust the promises of God, even for my fleshly mortal body than to rely on these forms of sublimation? The word of God does say this very clearly in the authorized KJV...

to keep this short let me just address this part . first of all how many other post have I posted on smoking??? apparently you didn't even read my post on this very good , because you mention nothing about all the chemicals that I adressed. God created the tobacco plant, and God created everything for A purpose. smoking is a freedom just as religion is. driving a car can be fatal but we still drive, drinking has done more harm than tobacco ever will, if we consider all the abused spouses and children and all the innocent blood that has been spilled by way of drunk drivers, not counting liver problems. so why is there not an attack on alcohol as there is tobacco because the rich and the politicians won't have it. I rather you blow smoke in my face while I eating out, than to have some drunk cursing God and everything else around my family. you feel the opposite than do as me find the places where they don't allow smoking as I do those that don't allow drinking , don't impose on someone elses freedom. I live in N. Carolina as of jan. the 2nd 2010 , no eating places may allow smoking. tobbaco built n. carolina for what it is today. show me one thing that the NCI does not claim to cause cancer, from the bleach used in paper plates as are brought out when you micro wave food on a white paper plate to the gas fumes you can breathe while pumping gas, you take the test these people run on animals and it is like they give a 1/2 pound mouse 400 cigarettes a day and it dies, yep smoking causes death. I got to shut-up, but also as far as your verse Rom. 8:11 that is simply saying that God is going to raise the body sometime after it dies, but that body will be changed, so my question to you is; you can destroy the body in a car wreck so is it now a sin to drive or ride in a car???????????????????????????????? Not trying LOL to "to condemn anyone but rather to communicate" that it is the spirit that we should focus on and not the physical/the flesh.

Mt 10:28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[shad]

to keep this short let me just address this part . first of all how many other post have I posted on smoking??? apparently you didn't even read my post on this very good , because you mention nothing about all the chemicals that I adressed. God created the tobacco plant, and God created everything for A purpose. smoking is a freedom just as religion is. driving a car can be fatal but we still drive, drinking has done more harm than tobacco ever will, if we consider all the abused spouses and children and all the innocent blood that has been spilled by way of drunk drivers, not counting liver problems. so why is there not an attack on alcohol as there is tobacco because the rich and the politicians won't have it. I rather you blow smoke in my face while I eating out, than to have some drunk cursing God and everything else around my family. you feel the opposite than do as me find the places where they don't allow smoking as I do those that don't allow drinking , don't impose on someone elses freedom. I live in N. Carolina as of jan. the 2nd 2010 , no eating places may allow smoking. tobbaco built n. carolina for what it is today. show me one thing that the NCI does not claim to cause cancer, from the bleach used in paper plates as are brought out when you micro wave food on a white paper plate to the gas fumes you can breathe while pumping gas, you take the test these people run on animals and it is like they give a 1/2 pound mouse 400 cigarettes a day and it dies, yep smoking causes death. I got to shut-up, but also as far as your verse Rom. 8:11 that is simply saying that God is going to raise the body sometime after it dies, but that body will be changed, so my question to you is; you can destroy the body in a car wreck so is it now a sin to drive or ride in a car???????????????????????????????? Not trying LOL to "to condemn anyone but rather to communicate" that it is the spirit that we should focus on and not the physical/the flesh.

Mt 10:28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

You did not address the body being the temple of the Holy Spirit. If you went to your doctor for a complete physical and the blood work that came back show a high level of bad cholesterol would you heed that warning and take measures to lower your cholesterol?

True story. A friend of mine was a youth leader for almost 20 years. He laid his life down for those kids and found himself on the road most of the time. He ate out and did lots of fast foods because of it. In his early (50's) he was having some chest pains and went to see his doctor. The blood work came back and showed a very high level of bad cholesterol and was warned by his doctor to change his lifestyle and cut out the fast foods that were high in saturated fat etc. He did for a short time and went right back with his full schedule. Several months passed and after attending a Sunday morning service he suffered a severe heart attack and died on the steps of the church. When they did an autopsy the blood work revealed his cholesterol to be over (650). He did not smoke or drink and had no family genetic predisposition to high cholesterol according to his doctor. Do you think I am going to forget that? Do you think he was being a wise man not to heed his doctor's advise? I loved that man but he was unwise and probably died before his time. Don't get all spiritual on me with this just stay practical if you would.

 

[songster]

Kathleen, I want to commend you on your ability to articulate your position and for your ability to support your claim using scripture. Your understanding and insight is refreshing and you are a credit to your parents and/or mentors.

I believe they should be illegal, or at the least, very heavily taxed. It has already been proven that because smokers are more likely to encounter certain conditions, they will visit the doctor's offices and hospitals considerably more often than the average non-smoker. For this reason, insurance costs rise. To offset this cost, employees, where I work, are required to pay a fee of $260.00 per year to the insurance company, in addition to the regular cost of their insurance, if they desire to continue smoking.

When burned, cigarette smoke contains over 4000 chemicals, with over 40 of them being known carcinogens, (cancer causing). Lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer deaths, and yet millions of dollars are spent trying to find cures for cancer, when the number of cancer related deaths could be greatly reduced. Lung cancer and Coronary Heart Disease resulting from smoking, are very preventable.

Another good reason to make smoking illegal is, because of cigarette smoking's addictive potential, which makes it difficult to simply quit, for those who desire to stop. Cigarette smoking has a powerful chemical agent known as Nicotine which allows some smokers to be satisfied for no more than 30min. before requiring another cigarette.

There is also another aspect associated with cigarette smoking that people rarely address. Smokers, in between fixes, are often extremely agitated until they get their next cigarette. This can make them extremely difficult to communicate with during these times. There are definite behavioral issues resulting from cigarette smoking, which occur frequently in the lives of smokers. I witness this almost on a daily basis on my job.



Recent studies showing causes of death in the U.S. :

• Heart disease: 631,636
• Cancer: 559,888
• Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 137,119
• Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 124,583
• Accidents (unintentional injuries): 121,599
• Diabetes: 72,449
• Alzheimer's disease: 72,432
• Influenza and Pneumonia: 56,326
• Nephritis, nephritic syndrome, and nephrosis: 45,344
• Septicemia: 34,234

Smoking is the single most preventable cause of excess mortality in the U.S. Making this illegal, just might save a few lives, those who would choose to break the law, would simply have to suffer the consequences. You've got my vote Kathleen.

 

[Wug]

Well, I'm one of those crazy freedom lovers, so I don't think it should be illegal. As far as whether or not smoking's a sin, I don't think it's sinful until it becomes addiction, for addiction is idolatry. I know we're to treat our bodies as temples, and many interpret this to mean that we're not to take risks that might shorten the lifespan of our "temples", but wouldn't playing highly physical sports, such as football, or rock climbing be just as sinful, since they increase the risk of death? I don't think that either of those activities are sinful, just food for thought. Also, many people talk of how many people would be saved if cigarettes just stopped being made. Anyone who smokes, or works with smokers, can only immagine the stress level of the people if everyone was forced to suddenly quit cold turkey. I think there might be more stress related violence if that day ever comes.

 

[Kathleen]

Well, I'm one of those crazy freedom lovers, so I don't think it should be illegal. As far as whether or not smoking's a sin, I don't think it's sinful until it becomes addiction, for addiction is idolatry. I know we're to treat our bodies as temples, and many interpret this to mean that we're not to take risks that might shorten the lifespan of our "temples", but wouldn't playing highly physical sports, such as football, or rock climbing be just as sinful, since they increase the risk of death? I don't think that either of those activities are sinful, just food for thought. Also, many people talk of how many people would be saved if cigarettes just stopped being made. Anyone who smokes, or works with smokers, can only immagine the stress level of the people if everyone was forced to suddenly quit cold turkey. I think there might be more stress related violence if that day ever comes.

in regards to our bodies being temples, imo, can not be interpretted any other way.
Its called A Black And White Job.
Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;1 Corinthians 6:19
you can not take away or add to it, its simple. You would be purposfully damaging your body. Smoking does not, in any way, benifit your body.

Kathleen, I want to commend you on your ability to articulate your position and for your ability to support your claim using scripture. Your understanding and insight is refreshing and you are a credit to your parents and/or mentors.

I believe they should be illegal, or at the least, very heavily taxed. It has already been proven that because smokers are more likely to encounter certain conditions, they will visit the doctor's offices and hospitals considerably more often than the average non-smoker. For this reason, insurance costs rise. To offset this cost, employees, where I work, are required to pay a fee of $260.00 per year to the insurance company, in addition to the regular cost of their insurance, if they desire to continue smoking.

When burned, cigarette smoke contains over 4000 chemicals, with over 40 of them being known carcinogens, (cancer causing). Lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer deaths, and yet millions of dollars are spent trying to find cures for cancer, when the number of cancer related deaths could be greatly reduced. Lung cancer and Coronary Heart Disease resulting from smoking, are very preventable.

Another good reason to make smoking illegal is, because of cigarette smoking's addictive potential, which makes it difficult to simply quit, for those who desire to stop. Cigarette smoking has a powerful chemical agent known as Nicotine which allows some smokers to be satisfied for no more than 30min. before requiring another cigarette.

There is also another aspect associated with cigarette smoking that people rarely address. Smokers, in between fixes, are often extremely agitated until they get their next cigarette. This can make them extremely difficult to communicate with during these times. There are definite behavioral issues resulting from cigarette smoking, which occur frequently in the lives of smokers. I witness this almost on a daily basis on my job.




Recent studies showing causes of death in the U.S. :

• Heart disease: 631,636
• Cancer: 559,888
• Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 137,119
• Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 124,583
• Accidents (unintentional injuries): 121,599
• Diabetes: 72,449
• Alzheimer's disease: 72,432
• Influenza and Pneumonia: 56,326
• Nephritis, nephritic syndrome, and nephrosis: 45,344
• Septicemia: 34,234

Smoking is the single most preventable cause of excess mortality in the U.S. Making this illegal, just might save a few lives, those who would choose to break the law, would simply have to suffer the consequences. You've got my vote Kathleen.

thanks you very much for that post.
You have put a smile on my face
thank you
God Bless
Kath x

 

[wwjd_kilden]

YES. Smoking should be illegal

drugs are prescribed
narcotics are illegal
alcohol is only sold in certain places

Tobacco kills and nicotine is addictive!

why was it ever legalized?

 

[songster]

Well, I'm one of those crazy freedom lovers, so I don't think it should be illegal. As far as whether or not smoking's a sin, I don't think it's sinful until it becomes addiction, for addiction is idolatry. I know we're to treat our bodies as temples, and many interpret this to mean that we're not to take risks that might shorten the lifespan of our "temples", but wouldn't playing highly physical sports, such as football, or rock climbing be just as sinful, since they increase the risk of death? I don't think that either of those activities are sinful, just food for thought. Also, many people talk of how many people would be saved if cigarettes just stopped being made. Anyone who smokes, or works with smokers, can only immagine the stress level of the people if everyone was forced to suddenly quit cold turkey. I think there might be more stress related violence if that day ever comes.

Wug, that’s one of the main points. Cigarette smoking has little to do with liberties or freedom. This isn't like having a craving for chocolate which runs the risk of weight gain. This is a substance designed to cause the user to become addicted. The fact that there may be a few recreational users, who successfully smoke for pleasure, does not negate the fact that the Tobacco industry intentionally includes a chemical 'designed' to get their market hooked.

This eliminates any argument which would call this legislating morality, legalism, or robbing individuals of their freedoms. For many, the option to quit is taken from them within the first year of starting.

Nicotine is the substance which causes people to keep coming back for more. Its ability to satisfy is short lived, making the desire to smoke literally insatiable. If by your own definition as to what would qualify cigarette smoking as sin, this should certainly meet the criteria, because among the 4000 chemicals which are produced from smoking, one very important chemical is specifically designed to make sure the user doesn't stop. This industry plays on the ignorance of young users who at the outset, simply believe that it's cool to have one of these things hanging from their mouths, not calculating the risks or highly addictive potential. It is a very well orchestrated, and pretty devious, strategy. One for which the heads of these Tobacco companies will undoubtedly be held accountable. No they don't force individuals to use their product, but, they certainly do their best to ensure that an addiction is developed once the user begins, and a schedule of nicotine infusions, is soon established. This is a trap constructed by companies who have guaranteed themselves a large number of return customers.

The catch is, this drug, Nicotine, which causes the user to become addicted, happens to be the same drug that creates the feelings of pleasure or the euphoria, and so no one wants to remove nicotine from the contents because the industry would have no market at all.

 

[MahogonySnail]

It shouldnt be illegal next they'll be banning tea and coffee and butter, my goodness.

 

[Cako53]

I think the real question here would be: Is it plausable to make cigerattes illegal?
It's never going to happen, the world is caring less and less. We are getting more leniant with everything. I don't think it will be long until pot is legal.
However, I think that yeah we could benefit with ciggarettes being illegal, but it isn;t going to happen.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Yes it will never be illegal unless tobacco companies no longer exist and the government will make more money out of it being illegal.
Instead, the preferred option is to keep it legal, and then just slug cigarettes with enormous taxes so the government will reap a profit. They do the same thing with hard liquor.

 

[songster]

It shouldnt be illegal next they'll be banning tea and coffee and butter, my goodness.

There have been no chemical agents detected in tea, coffee or butter, which clearly indicate that the supplier intends for the consumer to develop an addiction.

These substances are far easier to give up or substitute, than cigarettes.

 

[Graybeard]

"Do you think smoking cigerettes should be illegal ?".....no...just stopped being produced.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

people will always look for some way to either feel pleasre they don't need or a way to ease pain they should not need to feel, be it nicotine, alcohol or illegal drugs..

And all the drugs in the world
Can’t save us from ourselves
Victims with the saddest hearts
Passing by the grace of god
There by the grace of god
Manic Street Preachers

 

[forgivenandloved]

aahhh man . another thread which raises a question, only to really be a way for the author of said thread to voice their opinion. misleading someone is a sin also so whosoever is without sin , cast the first stone, i think the first stone was just cast. wow. also you need to check your sources a little better. one can not prove that smoking causes cancer, we watched a film 30 years ago on america and its diet. they brought a family of five from some small country, which this county at the time had never had a case of cancer in its history, they brought the family to america. they didn't smoke but within the time period that they were here 2 of the 5 had some type of cancer, but i probably shouldn't say this for now someone will say that eating causes Cancer and I really enjoy my food. oh no enjoying my food would be a sin also!!! oh no, now what am I going to do. studies have been done, lung cancer starts in the bottom of the lungs smoke only reaches the upper parts of the lungs, Now all my information is taken from someone else for I have done no research, and I personal can't prove that smoking does not cause cancer, from my personal knowledge, but I have a sister-in-law who has never smoked her husband has never smoked , however she just had part of her lung taken out due to cancer. You can't prove that it does harm the body, the chemicals that were used on our croplands( exa. DDT before it was banned in america but is still being used in other countries ) and some other chemicals are still be used on our croplands are far more danderous than smoking but these same chemicals are used on our tobacco crops.
even with their best studies the only warning that could be put on cigerettes was that smoking may lead to. and now they only warn that quitting smoking nowgreatly reduces your chances. and before you ask No I do not smoke anymore I quit close to 13 years ago, because I felt it were coming between me and my service to my God not cause i thought they were destroying the temple. on by the way you forgot the important part of your doctrine on destroying the temple

Mr 7:14And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:Mr 7:15There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

I really liked your last paragraph.

 

[aspen]

The biggest danger from smoking is not cancer - it is heart disease. Since public smoking has been restricted in public, heart disease has decreased by 30% in the United States.

 

[Browncoat]

No, cigarettes should not be illegal. That would require the government to overstep its constitutional bounds.

Are cigarettes good for you? Absolutely not. They are nasty and will own you for life, even if you "overcome" your addiction.

However, it is a person's choice if they want to ruin their life, and it is their right to do so. They don't have the right to hurt you, but they do have the right to hurt themselves.

 

[AJ52]

well...its their choice

 

[aspen]

The biggest danger from smoking is not cancer - it is heart disease. Since public smoking has been restricted in public, heart disease has decreased by 30% in the United States.

I forgot to write the most important information - it was a thirty percent decrease in people who do not smoke themselves - they tested servers in bars and restaurants

 

[mpaper345]

Anything that is not of the Holy Spirit is wrong.Smoking cigarettes is a fleshy pleasure and would be considered wrong.Smoking is bad for your health so it would be considered wrong.If you smoke cigarettes it would be considered self abuse for you are damaging your health and that would mean you do not love yourself as you should.

Would you allow your child to smoke cigarettes that is only 5 years old.Sin has no age limit and if you considered it wrong for a young child to smoke then it would be wrong for an adult to smoke in God's eyes for sin is wrong no matter what age.

Matt