Granted, my mistake. Still, we as Gentile believers are not grafted into Judaism, but into Christ.
Does Jesus and Paul contradict each other?
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You could at least spell the word correctly!
We are not grafted into Judaism, but into Christ.
is not Jesus the Vine? we are the branches? If not the fig tree also about dead faith of Israel?
uunderstanding Paul as a Christian is in error. Paul was teaching on things and show his process of finding truth the what appears to be a contradiction. He was trying to graft the Gentiles into jewdaism and understand how Jews and Gentiles can come under Christ new covinant. Some laws jews must follow to be Christian that Gentiles do not need to follow as Christian. Paul is helping them to understand what laws Gentiles need to still follow to ve Christian. In Acts paul is instructed that Gentiles must not eat food offered to false idols, must not drink blood or meat from a strangled animal, and must be sexually moral. Paul reluctantly agreed and chose to focus on the Gentiles because he was rejected by the Jews. Paul also taught to be obedient to Jesus laws which all Christians are required to do weather Jew or Gentile.
Romans 2:13
For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.
Acts 15:29
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.
1 Corinthians 8
“Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. 2 Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. 3 But whoever loves God is known by God.[a]
4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.
9 Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if someone with a weak conscience sees you, with all your knowledge, eating in an idol’s temple, won’t that person be emboldened to eat what is sacrificed to idols? 11 So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. 12 When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother or sister to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause them to fall.”
Thats not what the old testiment says. Jesus is the true vine because he is a perfect Jew who follows the father. With no Jewdaism there is no Christ. Yes I'll spell how I want.
Jesus is God, not merely a Jew.
Levitical Judaism is the religion of ancient Israel. Modern Judaism is a man-made corruption. To which do you think we are grafted?
Scripture has one word for those who refuse to learn: fool.
Paul was not "trying to graft" Gentiles into Judaism; he tells them that they are grafted into the true Israel of Christ.
So your saying god is no longer honoring his covenant with the Jews through jewdaism.
Yeah all the apostles did Paul was one of them . They fulfilled this role and it’s what thier writings are
“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.”
John 16:12-14 KJV
“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
John 14:26 KJV
Paul and the apostles writings are mostly revelation they received from Jesus for his church. It’s not different it’s revelation of the gospel Jesus preached to them and later revealed to Paul.
He’s a revelator of the gospel
a basic example in the gospel
“And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
Matthew 26:26-28 KJV
Jesus never explains this any further but just says to his followers do it in remembrance of his sacrifice . now look at Paul’s revelation regarding this doctrine established by the Lord himself
“For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
( he’s recalled the event and what the lord said now he’s going to offer us revelation into the matter )
For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.”
1 Corinthians 11:23-34
Paul wasnt ever remiving things Jesus taught he was offering revelation of them he was lifting up to curtain explaining things like that . He does this with all the subjects like eternal judgement of good and evil , baptism for remission of sins , giving forgiveness and receiving mercy , offering no forgiveness and accumulating wrath upon ourselves ect everything Jesus taught in the gospel .
a lot of Jesus parables become sections of Paul’s letters . The lessons those parables teach become the things paul and all the other apostles taught
“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.”
1 Corinthians 15:3-4, 7-9, 11 KJV
what Paul taught wasnt different it was explaining what was already there applicably to the church who believed and originated in things like baptism in Jesus name and communion with his body and blood . Revelations wrent a new thing they are like you are lifting up a veil of what you could see before but now you can see details and understand it
No thats what your saying. Your telling me that if a jew becomes christian that he is no longer bound to the covinant god made with the Jews because through christ they are no longer bound to the law. That would mean you are implying that the covinant the Jews honor is no longer valid. You would really upset the Jewish faith with this line of thought.
“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: and when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. ( early prophets )
Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. ( latter messianic prophets )
But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. ( Jesus thier promised messiah )
But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. ( crucify him we have no king but ceasar )
When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes?
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Matthew 21:33-43 KJV
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee,
how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.”
Matthew 23:37-38 KJV
They have a new covenant that Judaism rejects along with thier one and only messiah all Jews have to do with s accept Jesus and the new covenant it’s thier covenant promise but they cling to an old broken covenant and religion ….rejecting full stop that Jesus is who he said he is
“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
Jeremiah 31:31-32 KJV
judaism by definition is to cling to the old broken and desolate covenant even as they have no temple to carry out the covenant requirements of animals sacrifice
"Paul as a Christian is in error."
This statement is all I need to see to show that anything after is skubalon.
If Paul is in Error because he is a "Christian", than so is Peter and the Gospel's. That statement is foolishness. God keeps his word in both the old and New Testament. If there is what appears to be a contradiction with Paul and Jesus that is where one must stop and re-ask from the position what I am not seeing because that is not possible with God and The Spirit of God who is infallible.
That error solely is on the persons understanding NOT in the writing of Paul.
the use of one verse as you did is hermeneutical dishonesty.
Romans 2:13
For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.
Did Not Jesus says "For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.” Matthew 12:50
Did not James say: James 1:22-25
22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.
In addition the book of Hebrews Tell us this very thing
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins [b]and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
You must look at all scripture.
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:19-20 KJV