Does Jesus and Paul contradict each other?

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CS1 said:
That is very bold statement when you have not even defined what you believe the love of God is and how God reveled HIS love to the Jews and the gentiles. I hear you saying "the love of God however, you have not said what it is. Are suggesting that the law we are to keep is the love of GOD? The Bible is very clear we are not justified by the law we are guilty by it.
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The actual words of Jesus. They contradict pali
CS1 said:
However, those who theorize about a separate “Pauline Christianity” tell a different story:
Jesus, a great teacher, considered himself to be the long-awaited Messiah for the Jews. He believed that God would overthrow Rome and bring His kingdom to earth. In preparation for this, Jesus taught a message of unconditional love, tolerance, and non-judgmental acceptance of everyone. Alas, Jesus’ mission of inaugurating a new earthly age failed when the Romans crucified him.

In short, Paul was a charlatan, an evangelical huckster who succeeded in twisting Jesus’ message of love into something Jesus himself would never recognize. It was Paul, not Jesus, who originated the “Christianity” of today.

Commonly, those who hold to the above theory also believe the following:

1) Jesus was not divine. He never claimed to be God, and he never intended to start a new religion.

2) The Bible is not an inspired book and is riddled with contradictions. None of the Bible, except possibly the book of James, was written by anyone who knew Jesus. There are fragments of Jesus’ teachings in the Gospels, but it is difficult to discern what he really said.

3) Paul was never a Pharisee and was not highly educated. His “conversion” was either a personal hallucinogenic experience or an outright fraud. His claims to be an apostle were attempts to further his own authority in the church.

4) Pauline theological “inventions” include a) the deity of Jesus; b) salvation by grace through faith; c) salvation through the blood of Jesus; d) the sinless nature of Jesus; e) the concept of original sin; and f) the Holy Spirit. None of these “new doctrines” were accepted by Jesus’ true followers.

5) The Gnostic Gospels are closer to the truth about Jesus than are the traditional four Gospels of the Bible.

The concept of “Pauline Christianity” represents an outright attack on the Bible as the Word of God. Adherents of the “Pauline Christianity” theory are truly misrepresenting Jesus’ teachings. They choose to believe His words on love but deny His teachings on judgment (such as Matthew 24). They insist on a human Jesus, denying His divinity, although Jesus plainly taught His equality with God in passages such as John 10:30. They want a “loving” Jesus without having to accept Him as Lord and Savior.

this is the foundation of this concept about Paul.


in closing :

Paul’s apostleship is attested to by the miracles he performed (Romans 15:19), the training he received (Galatians 1:15-20), and the testimony of the other apostles. Peter, far from being Paul’s enemy, wrote this about him:

“Our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction” (2 Peter 3:15-16).

Don't take from me take from Peter.
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All you need are the words of Jesus. It really is simple. Lol
 
I stand firmly on the words of Jesus and no one else. Everything else may add depth or deepen my faith or understanding but my foundation is not paul its Jesus and James. Paul teaches the same, although he really goes off in left field with HIS Gospel. It must line up with Jesus words because Jesus lines up with the prophets and a perfect example of Gods law.
 
Nufan said:
The actual words of Jesus. They contradict pali

All you need are the words of Jesus. It really is simple. Lol
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Well you are wrong.

Jesus very much said he made Paul an Apostle. There nothing Paul said that is in opposition to Jesus
 
Nufan said:
I stand firmly on the words of Jesus and no one else. Everything else my add depth or deepen my faith or understanding but my foundation is not paul its Jesus and James. Paul teaches the same, although he really goes off in left field with HIS Gospel. It must line up with Jesus words because Jesus lines up with the prophets and a perfect example of Gods law.
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sure you do an a anecdotical statement is not scripture. Jesus and James? You are the authenticator of Paul's Writings?
You tell us all what is the authoritative word of GOD? That is a very big job you placed yourself in.
 
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CS1 said:
Well you are wrong.

Jesus very much said he made Paul an Apostle. There nothing Paul said that is in opposition to Jesus
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That was Paul’s private vision. Wow so I must repent, be baptized, and say a pauline profession of faith and believe. For somone who preaches no works you sure are putting more requirments on the check list.
 
CS1 said:
sure you do an a anecdotical statement is not scripture. Jesus and James? You are the authenticator of Paul's Writings?
You tell us all what is the authoritative word of GOD? That is a very big job you placed yourself in.
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What do you mean. Thats not me thats Paul. Paul says follow christ and test me with scripture to see you are walking in the true faith.
 
Me_Clay said:
To: Nufan

Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God?
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FYI, if you are going to ask a specific person a question, it is best to quote that specific person.

If you want to address more than one person in a post, tag each person by putting the @ symbol in front of their user name, without a space between.
 
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NightTwister said:
No, the entire Bible should be red in a "red-letter" edition. They're all Jesus' words.
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This is the best post here for me.

Short and sweet and true. Even the verses that that look like it's a contradiction, it's not, its the person expressing the lords message spoke in them,
 
Jordon said:
This is the best post here for me.

Short and sweet and true. Even the verses that that look like it's a contradiction, it's not, its the person expressing the lords message spoke in them,
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Well, it's interesting, when I quote Jesus the Palinites say that i'm contradicting paul. Explain that. BUT EVEN MORE IRONICALLY, THEY'LL USE THE WORDS OF PAUL INSTEAD OF THE WORDS OF JESUS TO SHOW THAT I'M IN ERROR.
 
Nufan said:
Well, it's interesting, when I quote Jesus the Palinites say that i'm contradicting paul. Explain that. BUT EVEN MORE IRONICALLY, THEY'LL USE THE WORDS OF PAUL INSTEAD OF THE WORDS OF JESUS TO SHOW THAT I'M IN ERROR.
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Jesus did teach you will be saved to do his works.
 
Nufan said:
That was Paul’s private vision. Wow so I must repent, be baptized, and say a pauline profession of faith and believe. For somone who preaches no works you sure are putting more requirments on the check list.
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I think you are very confused. and you come from left field on many of your comments. Do you believe Jesus is God ?
 
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Jordon said:
This is the best post here for me.

Short and sweet and true. Even the verses that that look like it's a contradiction, it's not, its the person expressing the lords message spoke in them,
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The?
Only conclusion I can come to is that you obviously believe in the private vision of Paul, you believe in Pauls gospel, you believe that Paul is like Muhammad and it's the fulfillment of the Gospels, and that it also supersedes the words of Jesus. Who actually sounds like the one that's in error here.
 
Jesus taught that salvation comes through faith in him, that he is the only way to God, and that it is received by believing in him and following his will.
 
Nufan said:
The?
Only conclusion I can come to is that you obviously believe in the private vision of Paul, you believe in Pauls gospel, you believe that Paul is like Muhammad and it's the fulfillment of the Gospels, and that it also supersedes the words of Jesus. Who actually sounds like the one that's in error here.
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IF Paul had a private vision, why did he share it? Please post Paul's vision lets look at it and see if what he said is not also seen in other places or Parallel scriptures.
 
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Nufan said:
The?
Only conclusion I can come to is that you obviously believe in the private vision of Paul, you believe in Pauls gospel, you believe that Paul is like Muhammad and it's the fulfillment of the Gospels, and that it also supersedes the words of Jesus. Who actually sounds like the one that's in error here.
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Not the case I believe Paul was an apostle as well as a the person chosen to suffer for Christ

And more so I believe jesus sowed in him what he would reap, which is the works of Christ
 
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If people can't keep up on what's being discussed here and they're just going to make comments without actually looking into what's already been gone over then you waisting my time. If you're not going to hold to the simple criteria and requirement that I have outlined, to convince me that I should become a Palinite, then you don't have any business chiming in. My question was very simple. Show me how Palinite theoligy dose not contradict Jesus through the words of Jesus.
 
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