Does the bible actually SAY what you believe?

[Blik]

This is more of an experiment . If we take each point we claim ,does the bible actually say it somewhere . literally say the thing we claim to believe ?

I have found that some of the doctrines of my church were not backed up in scripture like that Christ changed what the Father stated was His way, or that God cancelled Passover and put in communion services to replace it.

Now I make it a rule to use my concordance to check carefully all I am told about God and scripture. I also find it is necessary to carefully check the interpretations of others, especially if I have disagreed with them so I carefully examine why they believe as they do to see if they are correct and I was wrong.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I have noticed over the years that most people develop a belief, usually from listening to or reading after another, and then goes to the Scripture searching for verses that they can spin, twist, take out of context, of put their own interpretation on to prove what they believe.

So what you are saying is that MOST PEOPLE are simply playing theological games (except DWR). Why not call yourself "FDR2" and present a New Deal? A theological New Deal.

The truth of the matter is that some are holding fast to Gospel truth and Bible truth and others are presenting false gospels and false teachings. On every Christian forum, everyone needs to know how to separate the chaff from the wheat. Which means knowing the truth from Scripture before saying anything. As Jesus already told us the tares and the wheat would be growing side by side during the Church Age.

 

[throughfaith]

So what you are saying is that MOST PEOPLE are simply playing theological games (except DWR). Why not call yourself "FDR2" and present a New Deal? A theological New Deal.

The truth of the matter is that some are holding fast to Gospel truth and Bible truth and others are presenting false gospels and false teachings. On every Christian forum, everyone needs to know how to separate the chaff from the wheat. Which means knowing the truth from Scripture before saying anything. As Jesus already told us the tares and the wheat would be growing side by side during the Church Age.

I think the more we can say we believe is based on what the bible Says the better we will be. We should be shocked to realise some theologies are based on inference and syllogism, revealing they do not actually believe the scriptures.

 

[JaumeJ]

The Bible is, in my humble and uneducated opinion; the living, breathing word of God. It is still animated by the holy spirit, just as it was when written. It was not written once as a book of instruction, it reveals. It was written to meet all God’s children, where ever and whenever they may seek his word, regardless of their experience or sophistication or culture or condition. When I read one passage, it speaks to me from where I am. If the same passage is read again in different circumstances, a different meaning may be spoken. Two believers will probably hear two meanings, both equally valid. One may be the result of more sophisticated knowledge, the other is not therefore wrong. It is God speaking to us from where we are.

Sometimes I need to listen better.

It sounds, by the understanding you impart that you have a higher education, the Highest. All blessings in our Savior, Yeshua.

 

[mustaphadrink]

Its my contention that Calvinism is built on inference , assumption, faulty axioms and syllogism. But can we say what we believe from what the bible ACTUALLY SAYS ? Of course context ,the who ,the when the what ,the where , matters . But are we Believing based on What the bible says and not what its presumed to teach ?
Thoughts?

I get a very distinct impression that too many people believe what the pastor says. They have no desire or feel they have no need to search the sciprtures as we are told to do.

I remember one church I was in and they were going to embark on a course that was totally the opposite to what the bible said. I spoke to the leaders and warned them of the consequences of their decision and the possible outcome of it. They ignored me and within two years it all fell in a heap.

One of the biggest problems we face is the habit of people to proof text. They take a verse of scripture and tell us what it means and ignore all the other scriptures on the topic. That is a recipe for disaster as the best commentary on the Bible is the Bible so if we are going to understand what the bible actually teaches we have to embrace all the passages on a given topic.

A good example is the one about women in leadership. In most cases they will bring up Debra, Junias and Pricilla as evidence that the bible approves of women in leadership. They completely ignore the 23 verses that spell out who the leaders are and the two books that describe biblical leadership in detail.

But that is what they were told (by women who want to be in leadership) so no discussion or study is necessary.

In forums like this you can spot a parrot a mile away. What they say is word for word what others have said who had no business to say it as they have no anointing for teaching. What they say has not been the product of their own rigorous study and research. Ask them a question and they fall in a heap and waffle on about this that and the other making it more obvious they are out of their depth.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

There are things that the Bible don't say explicitly. Some examples are the Trinity, but the Bible does say it implicitly. Another example is infant baptism. There are several " whole households" that were baptised. It would be an assumption to think that none of those house holds had any infants or children. Because if it were just a man and his wife why say "whole house hold"?

So here is a video.

 

[throughfaith]

There are things that the Bible don't say explicitly. Some examples are the Trinity, but the Bible does say it implicitly. Another example is infant baptism. There are several " whole households" that were baptised. It would be an assumption to think that none of those house holds had any infants or children. Because if it were just a man and his wife why say "whole house hold"?

So here is a video.

I don't think the ' trinity ' is a good example. The trinity is an understanding of something that we will only grasp but never fully comprehend in our lives . Baptism is something unlike the trinity in that , we can understand. Its not complicated. So we should expect the scriptures to SAY things clearly. So where does it SAY we need to baptise babies? If it doesn't SAY should we believe it ?

 

[throughfaith]

There are things that the Bible don't say explicitly. Some examples are the Trinity, but the Bible does say it implicitly. Another example is infant baptism. There are several " whole households" that were baptised. It would be an assumption to think that none of those house holds had any infants or children. Because if it were just a man and his wife why say "whole house hold"?

So here is a video.

Yeah this just ' reasons ' . I'm looking for where it SAYS to baptise babies today?

 

[throughfaith]

There are things that the Bible don't say explicitly. Some examples are the Trinity, but the Bible does say it implicitly. Another example is infant baptism. There are several " whole households" that were baptised. It would be an assumption to think that none of those house holds had any infants or children. Because if it were just a man and his wife why say "whole house hold"?

So here is a video.

Would it be fair to say that the bible does not SAY to baptise babies today?

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Would it be fair to say that the bible does not SAY to baptise babies today?

As fair as saying it doesn't say not to

 

[throughfaith]

As fair as saying it doesn't say not to

It doesn't say Jesus wasn't a champion figure skater.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

It doesn't say Jesus wasn't a champion figure skater.

Does it say to have a song service before the preaching?

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

It doesn't say Jesus wasn't a champion figure skater.

No but here is a good point toake about culture of the time and what was the common practice and understanding of the cultures.
So the Bible does say whole house holds were baptised; several of them. House holds of the time often had extended families by our standards and servants, and their families. So it's more likely a safer bet to say that those whole house holds were normal for the culture and time, and that they had children.
Also in galatians baptism is compared to circumcision, which was given to children of the people already in the faith at 8 days old, but also adult proselytes. So the parallel is drawn in Scripture.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

What really amazes me is the people who say baptism does nothing insist that it be adults who have "made a decision " for Jesus. Which make zero sense. Why do it at all or who cares if it don't amount to anything.
But we who believe it does feel it is so important that we give it to our children. And y'all want to argue with us; from the stand point that it ain't about nothin, but there are strict standards that the meaningless must be done.

 

[throughfaith]

Does it say to have a song service before the preaching?

No , but is that the same ? I don't believe in long services as doctrine/ command / obedience / act of faith ect .

 

[throughfaith]

What really amazes me is the people who say baptism does nothing insist that it be adults who have "made a decision " for Jesus. Which make zero sense. Why do it at all or who cares if it don't amount to anything.
But we who believe it does feel it is so important that we give it to our children.

I'm looking where the bible Says not infers . A lot of folks believe by inference.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

I'm looking where the bible Says not infers . A lot of folks believe by inference.

There are a lot of things not spelled out in the bible, like Trinity, and even the rapture, aren't spelled out explicitly.

 

[throughfaith]

There are a lot of things not spelled out in the bible, like Trinity, and even the rapture, aren't spelled out explicitly.

I'm not asking about words . We have the word baptism . Where is the instruction to the body of christ that says to baptise babies?

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

I'm not asking about words . We have the word baptism . Where is the instruction to the body of christ that says to baptise babies?

I talking about concepts.
And the instruction is understood from galatians parallel to circumcision

 

[tourist]

I'm not asking about words . We have the word baptism . Where is the instruction to the body of christ that says to baptise babies?

Perhaps this passage will offer some insight into this point.

Mark 10:13-15
Then they brought little children to Him, that He might touch them; but the disciples rebuked those who brought them. But when Jesus saw it, He was greatly displeased and said to them, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God. Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it.”