There is no greater treatise on the deity of Jesus that John 1. A simple examination of that chapter should lay the matter to rest once and for all. The reason this controversy continues is that people are more devoted to cherished theologies than they are to the grammar of the text. If you want to develop a biblical theology then learn to honor the language of the text.
Does the bible teach that Jesus is God?
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Why baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
there is a way to salvation
-We are reconciled to God by the death of Jesus Christ (Romans 5:10).
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,
much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
-by his goodness the Father brings us to and grants us repentance (Romans 2:4).
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering;
not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
-After repentance, we are to be baptized. (Acts 2:38).
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ
for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
-It is the Spirit that actually begets us as sons of God (Romans 8:9, 14, 16-17).
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
there is a way to salvation
-We are reconciled to God by the death of Jesus Christ (Romans 5:10).
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,
much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
-by his goodness the Father brings us to and grants us repentance (Romans 2:4).
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering;
not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
-After repentance, we are to be baptized. (Acts 2:38).
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ
for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
-It is the Spirit that actually begets us as sons of God (Romans 8:9, 14, 16-17).
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven,
and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
and sat on the right hand of God.
Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God;
angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour,
for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
And when all things shall be subdued unto him,
then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him,
that God may be all in all.
then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him,
that God may be all in all.
Since the scriptures are quite clear that Jesus Christ was born on this wise, while Mary was married to Jospeh, before she delivered she was found with a child of the Holy Ghost as well as Matthew 1:20 wherein it is written,"while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."
Now if the [Holy Ghost] is the God the Father, who is [Spirit] according to John 4:24, and the [Word] which 1 John 5:7 holds these three are one, the Holy Ghost.
While a treatise without principle is merely a vexation of the Gospel.[See John 8:49]
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
Thus John 1:1 could be interpreted according to the male and female doctrine within Matt 19:4-6:
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. John 5:19
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:14
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.1 John 1:1-3
Since the scriptures are quite clear that Jesus Christ was born on this wise, while Mary was married to Jospeh, before she delivered she was found with a child of the Holy Ghost as well as Matthew 1:20 wherein it is written,"while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."
Now if the [Holy Ghost] is the God the Father, who is [Spirit] according to John 4:24, and the [Word] which 1 John 5:7 holds these three are one, the Holy Ghost.
While a treatise without principle is merely a vexation of the Gospel.[See John 8:49]
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
Thus John 1:1 could be interpreted according to the male and female doctrine within Matt 19:4-6:
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. John 5:19
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:14
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.1 John 1:1-3
first 1 John 5:7 holds these three are one, the Holy Ghost.
is an attempt by the devil to pervert Gods word,
and was not inspired by John or Gods power.
the bible says Gods Holy Spirit inpregnated mary,
if it is A third person, why is Jesus called the son of God,
and not the son of the Holy spirit ?
That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us:
and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.1 John 1:1-3
- again two beings not three
and the word was (with) God
let (us)make man
and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.1 John 1:1-3
- again two beings not three
and the word was (with) God
let (us)make man
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Since the scriptures are quite clear that Jesus Christ was born on this wise, while Mary was married to Jospeh, before she delivered she was found with a child of the Holy Ghost as well as Matthew 1:20 wherein it is written,"while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."
Now if the [Holy Ghost] is the God the Father, who is [Spirit] according to John 4:24, and the [Word] which 1 John 5:7 holds these three are one, the Holy Ghost.
While a treatise without principle is merely a vexation of the Gospel.[See John 8:49]
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
Thus John 1:1 could be interpreted according to the male and female doctrine within Matt 19:4-6:
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. John 5:19
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:14
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.1 John 1:1-3
Explain John 1 to us if you will and show us how Jesus is not God from that text.
John 14:7-9King James Version (KJV)
7*If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8*Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9*Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
7*If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8*Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9*Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
15He hath made the earth (by his power), he hath established the world by (his wisdom),
and hath stretched out the heaven by (his understanding).
5I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, (by my great power)
and by my outstretched arm, (and have given it) (unto whom it seemed meet unto me).
34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God:
(for God giveth) (not the Spirit by measure unto him).
15For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord,
and shall drink neither (wine) nor strong drink;
and he shall be (filled with) the Holy Ghost, (even from his mother's womb).
Behold my servant, whom I uphold; (mine elect), in whom my soul delighteth;
I have put (my spirit) upon( him): he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
35And the angel answered and said unto her, (The Holy Ghost) shall come upon thee,
and (the power of the Highest) shall overshadow thee: therefore also
that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called (the Son of God).
Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name,
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one. (one accord)
and hath stretched out the heaven by (his understanding).
5I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, (by my great power)
and by my outstretched arm, (and have given it) (unto whom it seemed meet unto me).
34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God:
(for God giveth) (not the Spirit by measure unto him).
15For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord,
and shall drink neither (wine) nor strong drink;
and he shall be (filled with) the Holy Ghost, (even from his mother's womb).
Behold my servant, whom I uphold; (mine elect), in whom my soul delighteth;
I have put (my spirit) upon( him): he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
35And the angel answered and said unto her, (The Holy Ghost) shall come upon thee,
and (the power of the Highest) shall overshadow thee: therefore also
that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called (the Son of God).
Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name,
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one. (one accord)
Instead of posting all of these passages perhaps you would explain John 1 to us and show us how Jesus is not God from that text.
Actually the Bible teaches that Jesus is the only begotten of the Father, So then Jesus was created by that Father. The Father is Spirit, His first born, the very first thing the Father created was Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ created all things that were made.
John 1:3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.
The Father is not a THING, the Father is spirit, not made of anything at all, no physical matter. The Father made Jesus Christ, He took an essence of Himself and created Jesus Christ, physical matter. The Father then took of His essence and created the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is not the first born, because the Holy Ghost was not created by the Father first, she was created second. Jesus was created first, hence the title Beloved Son. Jesus after the Father created Him and the Holy Ghost, created the entire Kingdom of Heaven, which we today call the Universe, created all things THAT WERE MADE. Jesus did not create the Father, The Father did not come out from Jesus. Jesus came out from the Father, the Father existed before anything that was made was made. The Father created Jesus, Jesus created all things that were made.
Jesus existed prior to becoming human 2000 years ago. Jesus created the Kingdom of Heaven, which existed prior to humans ever being created. Jesus had His own flesh (man looking) prior to becoming human 2000 years ago. Jesus walked in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve, as a MAN (non-earthly-human MAN). In the Old Testament, all the statement that said "The Lord thy God" was referring to Jesus Christ, who created them. This same Jesus Christ which was in Heaven with His Father, came down to the Earth with the Holy Ghost and created the Earth.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God (Jesus Christ) created the heaven (Atmosphere) and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void (no solid matter, a ball of water); and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God (Holy Ghost) moved upon the face of the waters. 3. .4. .5 .7..8...20. ..26 And God said, Let us (Jesus and Holy Ghost) make man in our (Jesus and Holy Ghost) image (look like man/ head, arms, legs, body, hands, feet, eyes, ears, hair, etc). .. . . . .
This same Jesus Christ, left His Father in Heaven, in spirit form, and entered into the woman Mary, and was in the fetus that Mary born and became a human baby Boy, which this Boy was called Jesus. Lived perfect, was crucified, and after that human flesh was killed, Jesus became Himself again (The way He was prior to being a human being) And that is who they saw afterwards. He is even now in the same body that He has always had, prior to the Earth ever being created.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Jesus plainly teaches we are gods. Is it not written we are children of God, if you are a child of God, how are you not God?
Know you not that the spirit that is within you, is immortal, it can not die, or be killed? Even satan is a fallen child of God. Jesus created Lucifer perfect in every way, immortal, can't die or be killed. That is why all spirits will either go to one of two places for all eternity, either in Heaven for all eternity or in the Lake of Fire for all eternity.
Jesus is one with the Father.
We are one with Jesus
We are one with Jesus and His Father
We and the Father are ONE
We are all ONE FAMILY, ONE GOD.
Each one of us has a spirit that has come out from the Father, we are a part of HIM, we are His offspring, we came out from Him. The spirit that is in you, is immortal and cannot die or be killed, it is not A God, it is a part of God. Jesus explained this same principle by describing us as a part of a body, that body being the Church. Some are hands, some are feet, some are eyes, some or ears, some are teachers, some are prophets, some speak with tongues, ALL are a part of the same body, the same ONE GOD.
^i^ responding to OP
Just because the only perfect example of The Son of God did not appear until Jesus Christ of Nazareth...does not mean that such an example has a beginning.
Dead wrong....mr. self-proclaimed 'prophet'...
θεον ουδεις εωρακεν πωποτε μονογενης θεος ο ων εις τον κολπον του πατρος εκεινος εξηγησατο
Theon oudeis heōraken pōpote monogenēs Theos ho ōn eis ton kolpon tou Patros ekeinos exēgēsato
No one has seen God at any time; but the unique One, Himself God, who is in the bosom of the Father, that One declares Him.
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Richie_2uk
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John 10: 30 says, for I, and the father are one. There are many bible references to say that Jesus is God, in the begining he says: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Who is the word? Jesus!
About the trinity, though it does not say the word trinity in the bible, but the meaning is there in 1: John 5: 7. in some translations it says there are 3 that testifies, in the KJV says tFor there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. many people will say that it was added to KJV, but whether it was or not, it still says there are 3 that testifies, and are one, So its talks about the trinity, no matter how anyone looks at it.
But yes Jesus is God.
I see the Word was (With) God.
it is hard to explain, but easier then following cathlic doctrine,
they claim you have to believe,you can not figure it out is a mystery,
and you go insain trying , from 20 centry trinity doctrine.
my wife and I are two that are now one, not one body but one accord and in agreement.
my son has my last name, but is not me, I see two in the begining and two in the end.
This does not explain how John shows that Jesus is not God.
Let me ask you this. Have you ever taken a serious look at this text or do you just tend to push it aside because it does not fit your theology? I am not trying to be condescending. I am really interested in why you see this text as you do.
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