Entertaining Angels Unaware
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I used to wonder and ask those same questions, un2him...until I met one. Now, through Biblical research and experiences, my book does answer those questions. Barnes & Noble, and amazon.com carries it. "Good Angel/Bad Angel" is a result of almost a year of writing. I hope it will help you.
Cool your a writer. I will check out your book. Can you go into any details about this encounter with us?
I have studied a bit my self and have had a visit from an Angle who read a scroll to me... was very encouraging to me. He came to confirm a message I had heard from God.
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if I might squeak this in......
actually, many scholars are not at all of the opinion that demons are fallen angels
definitely a whole other thread though
the Bible does not specifically state demons are fallen angels...that could just be one of the most common misconceptions
dog....I just spilled a can of worms
actually, many scholars are not at all of the opinion that demons are fallen angels
definitely a whole other thread though
the Bible does not specifically state demons are fallen angels...that could just be one of the most common misconceptions
dog....I just spilled a can of worms
And that is pretty much exactly what Yeraza said. Thanks for confirming it,They WERE holy, once upon a time.Not anymore, now their just evil demons who lost their angelic status because they rebelled against God.
because at first it looked like you were criticizing something he did not even say.
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*angel* not "angle"
haha..I reverse those 2 letters all the time too and fix it
the angles on angels?
*angel* not "angle"
oops should proof read a lil better thanks for correcting me
Spelling was not my strenghtEmber this is a hazard free zone please feel free to add we welcome your input
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I dont know whether this is related? or whether it is any help?
Luke 10:18 And He said to them, I saw Satan fall from Heaven like lightning.
and
Rev 12:7 And there was war in Heaven. Michael and his angels warring against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels warred,
Rev 12:8 but did not prevail. Nor was place found for them in Heaven any more.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world. He was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a great voice saying in Heaven, Now has come the salvation and power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ. For the accuser of our brothers is cast down, who accused them before our God day and night.
Somewhat related in one respect. Luke 10:18 happened when Satan first sinned in wanting to be God.
Rev.12:7 forward is still future. (Notice timeframe Rev.12:10 is talking about. Christ's Salvation did not come yet when Satan first rebelled against God. And there were no "brothers" yet to accuse at Satan's first rebellion of old).
The word Angel means messenger, and a messenger or angel can be anyone or a being. If anyone delivers the word of God is God's messenger. Cherub is an spirit that has no physical form but they are able to materialize into many different forms for all sort of reasons; like they can use these form to delay a hidden messages of their spiritual nature like an allegory, and but that is how they communicate to us. Like in the book of Daniel; that he describes of four beasts that are not conjoined, but separated; but in revelation, it speak of the same beasts but conjoined at the body as one, and which it is symbolic to let the reader know that whomever these beasts are, that they are one spirit with many different characters.
Genesis 37:6 He said to them, “Listen to this dream I had:
Genesis 40:5 each of the two men—the cupbearer and the baker of the king of Egypt, who were being held in prison—had a dream the same night, and each dream had a meaning of its own.
Genesis 40:8 “We both had dreams,” they answered, “but there is no one to interpret them.” Then Joseph said to them, “Do not interpretations belong to God? Tell me your dreams.”
Genesis 37:6 He said to them, “Listen to this dream I had:
Genesis 40:5 each of the two men—the cupbearer and the baker of the king of Egypt, who were being held in prison—had a dream the same night, and each dream had a meaning of its own.
Genesis 40:8 “We both had dreams,” they answered, “but there is no one to interpret them.” Then Joseph said to them, “Do not interpretations belong to God? Tell me your dreams.”
Genesis 37:6 He said to them, “Listen to this dream I had:
Genesis 40:5 each of the two men—the cupbearer and the baker of the king of Egypt, who were being held in prison—had a dream the same night, and each dream had a meaning of its own.
Genesis 40:8 “We both had dreams,” they answered, “but there is no one to interpret them.” Then Joseph said to them, “Do not interpretations belong to God? Tell me your dreams.”
Yes dreams,visions all angelic contact bringing forth revelation. Nice connection.
Genesis 40:5 each of the two men—the cupbearer and the baker of the king of Egypt, who were being held in prison—had a dream the same night, and each dream had a meaning of its own.
Genesis 40:8 “We both had dreams,” they answered, “but there is no one to interpret them.” Then Joseph said to them, “Do not interpretations belong to God? Tell me your dreams.”
Yes dreams,visions all angelic contact bringing forth revelation. Nice connection.
A few years back I had this dream I was walking with a guide to the base of a mountain.
There was a table and I had some metallic object which might have been on my head not sure, but realized I was to give it to these people sitting at this table. As I did they worked on this until all was left was this small metal tablet with a chain which they hung on a branch of a small tree on the table with many others.
Then I was lead up the mountain and into a cave. In this cave was a large stone with a map laid out on top and several others standing as the Lord was describing this map.
The map was of the kingdom I don't remember much after that was more amazed and astonished by where I was and what I saw. It woke me up and will always remember.
Was the way God spoke to me for awhile there were many places He took me and was always so beautiful.
Was His way of showing me His love.. and the faith I have today was because of Him and what He has shown me.
You will never be disappointed learning of His Great love for you.
There was a table and I had some metallic object which might have been on my head not sure, but realized I was to give it to these people sitting at this table. As I did they worked on this until all was left was this small metal tablet with a chain which they hung on a branch of a small tree on the table with many others.
Then I was lead up the mountain and into a cave. In this cave was a large stone with a map laid out on top and several others standing as the Lord was describing this map.
The map was of the kingdom I don't remember much after that was more amazed and astonished by where I was and what I saw. It woke me up and will always remember.
Was the way God spoke to me for awhile there were many places He took me and was always so beautiful.
Was His way of showing me His love.. and the faith I have today was because of Him and what He has shown me.
You will never be disappointed learning of His Great love for you.
They WERE holy, once upon a time.
It does speak of evil angels too blue
For example here,
Psalm 78:49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble,
by sending evil angels among them
Ofcourse the dragon and his angels
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
These being cast out into the earth, and those on his left to depart into what was prepared for the same
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.
The power of Satan consists of darkness, where they say,
Acst 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me
But I dont think he ceases to become angelic in any evil sense of things given it speaks of evil angels also. And in respects to Him (and his ministers) it seems to speak more about "the kind of" angel (moreso) he himself (even by them) he is transformed into
2 Cr 11:14 ... Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light
2 Cr 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Even though being transformed as such wouldnt really make him or them true light or righteousness taking on any similar form.
But it does speak of evil angels beforehand and of the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels also
But whether angels (be they holy or evil) or whether spirits (be they holy or evil) it says he maketh his angels spirits also so that might seem to be a difficult call.
I have not actually read Enochs work myself, but Ive heard that he wrote that there were angels that fell after satan.
Not everyone accepts Enochs work, but I dont see any reason this would be impossible. If it happened before it could happen again. Angels are like us, it seems. They have the ability to think for themselves, and with that, the ability to go against God. We arent given any prophecy that it could happen again, but I dont think that makes it completely impossible.
(Once again something Ive heard)
But yeah, Ive heard that (I think it was) Enoch wrote that when the nephilim died, they ended up joining with satan and his angels. So its possible that not all the beings we call demons are angels from heaven.
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I'm just wondering something? In the passages previous to the ones I quoted it says;
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Now my question is.... Is the woman "Israel" and is the man child Jesus?? "who was caught up unto God, and to his throne?"
And if it is , does this mean that Satan and his angels were cast out after Christ Jesus ascended to his throne?
Its interesting to think about !!
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I am sure there are many discussions on revelations in cc perhaps they would better answer your questions but I have included this for you to read
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
12:1-6 The church, under the emblem of a woman, the mother of believers, was seen by the apostle in vision, in heaven. She was clothed with the sun, justified, sanctified, and shining by union with Christ, the Sun of Righteousness. The moon was under her feet; she was superior to the reflected and feebler light of the revelation made by Moses. Having on her head a crown of twelve stars; the doctrine of the gospel, preached by the twelve apostles, is a crown of glory to all true believers. As in pain to bring forth a holy family; desirous that the conviction of sinners might end in their conversion. A dragon is a known emblem of Satan, and his chief agents, or those who govern for him on earth, at that time the pagan empire of Rome, the city built upon seven hills. As having ten horns, divided into ten kingdoms. Having seven crowns, representing seven forms of government. As drawing with his tail a third part of the stars in heaven, and casting them down to the earth; persecuting and seducing the ministers and teachers. As watchful to crush the Christian religion; but in spite of the opposition of enemies, the church brought forth a manly issue of true and faithful professors, in whom Christ was truly formed anew; even the mystery of Christ, that Son of God who should rule the nations, and in whose right his members partake the same glory. This blessed offspring was protected of God.
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
12:1-6 The church, under the emblem of a woman, the mother of believers, was seen by the apostle in vision, in heaven. She was clothed with the sun, justified, sanctified, and shining by union with Christ, the Sun of Righteousness. The moon was under her feet; she was superior to the reflected and feebler light of the revelation made by Moses. Having on her head a crown of twelve stars; the doctrine of the gospel, preached by the twelve apostles, is a crown of glory to all true believers. As in pain to bring forth a holy family; desirous that the conviction of sinners might end in their conversion. A dragon is a known emblem of Satan, and his chief agents, or those who govern for him on earth, at that time the pagan empire of Rome, the city built upon seven hills. As having ten horns, divided into ten kingdoms. Having seven crowns, representing seven forms of government. As drawing with his tail a third part of the stars in heaven, and casting them down to the earth; persecuting and seducing the ministers and teachers. As watchful to crush the Christian religion; but in spite of the opposition of enemies, the church brought forth a manly issue of true and faithful professors, in whom Christ was truly formed anew; even the mystery of Christ, that Son of God who should rule the nations, and in whose right his members partake the same glory. This blessed offspring was protected of God.
I'm guessing that the metallic object represent knowledge, that in the dream, you were giving what you have learned from the word it is for them to study. And then you'll go back up the mountain to retrieve some more knowledge from the word. The trees represent the generations of those that you have given the metallic object to.