Eve did not sin by eating of the tree.
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I'm sorry. Eve wasn't there when the command was given to Adam (Singular) and in every reference to God's command thereafter God uses the singular "You" stating it was only Adam He gave the command to. If you are stating that you are to obey made up commands of God someone else tells you are commands, ... God commands you to stand on one foot till I tell you differently." If you don't you are just as much a sinner as Eve was at the time.
Prove me wrong. Using scripture. Did God give Eve a different command? The "do not touch" it part. Show me where. Did God ever use the plural "You" referring to both Adam and Eve receiving the command? If made up commands of God are to be obeyed. "God commands you to fold my laundry and weed my garden." Not doing so is a sin. You said so.
The first deception was "4 And the serpent said to the woman, "You surely shall not die!"
100% a lie. Not a guess.
Eve did fail in her charge at being Adam's helper, in keeping accordance to God's word, that is true. And Adam failed in his charge in keeping God's word as well. And that God was fully prepared in the necessity for His plan send the Son of Man to (rightly on their part) die for mankind and the Holy Spirit to (rightly) guide them after Jesus was (rightly on His part) resurrected.
I added nothing. You have no right to imply I did. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
No. The correct response was "Oh, right. I forgot about that verse. Forget what I wrote in my original post".
I said what I said. Don’t attribute to me things I did not say. Don’t waste your time trying to refute things I didn’t say.
Don’t be ridiculous.
You are very arrogant to pretend you know better than God what He should do.
God told the man. The woman was CLEARLY aware of the command, regardless of whether she was told directly or indirectly.
Further, you have asserted the passage of time between when Eve ate of the forbidden fruit and when Adam did so. I suspect you have overlooked four words in verse 6:
“When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.”
Genesis 3:6 NIV
That undermines your argument rather thoroughly.
pfff... how did God look at Adam and Eve? What happens when a man and a woman come together? They become one. She knew not to eat of that tree "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’
Yeah you just can't skip over "God said must not eat" and you do it anyway. We can play with words.. call it disobedience.. Eve and Adam disobedience.. aka sin comes into the world. God saw them as one yet Adam saying.. ooh look the woman you gave me.. she did it.. haha
Yeah you just can't skip over "God said must not eat" and you do it anyway. We can play with words.. call it disobedience.. Eve and Adam disobedience.. aka sin comes into the world. God saw them as one yet Adam saying.. ooh look the woman you gave me.. she did it.. haha
Very dishonest on your part to modify what I wrote and turn it around I hate liars!
the text clearly says eve knew when she ate period. stop lying. here is what I wrote from the bible;
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which Jehovah God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of any tree of the garden?
Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat:
Gen 3:3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
she knew nothing of it? she told the serpent GOD said not to eat it, Voila! the truth. say what you want twist it around again and again scripture is clear.
I cant understand people who twist God's words and think will get away with it and God will not notice. and for the rest you twisted all of it blaming Adam for eves actions
God treats the twisting of his word on purpose to deceive not as mere error but as an act of direct rebellion against him personally, and the consequences scale accordingly, Repent.
That’s not in the text either. NOTHING in Genesis 3 requires Eve to obey Adam, or wives to obey husbands, or women to obey men.
Both Adam and Eve sinned by eating of the tree.
If it applied to Adam not to eat then it applied to Eve.
Since Eve was also made in God's image then it was a sin for her to eat of the tree.
All sin affects all people if they commit it.
Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1 John 3:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Eve committed the things of the world that is sin.
Genesis 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Eve's eyes were opened and she knew she was naked the same as Adam so obviously she sinned for she felt guilty.
Genesis 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow ; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
If Eve did not sin then why was she punished.
The only thing is if Eve sinned but Adam did not sin then there would be no fall but what would become of Eve.
Would she of been replaced or forgiven and they would remain in the garden.
If it applied to Adam not to eat then it applied to Eve.
Since Eve was also made in God's image then it was a sin for her to eat of the tree.
All sin affects all people if they commit it.
Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1 John 3:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Eve committed the things of the world that is sin.
Genesis 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Eve's eyes were opened and she knew she was naked the same as Adam so obviously she sinned for she felt guilty.
Genesis 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow ; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
If Eve did not sin then why was she punished.
The only thing is if Eve sinned but Adam did not sin then there would be no fall but what would become of Eve.
Would she of been replaced or forgiven and they would remain in the garden.
Transgression. Not sin From G3845; violation: - breaking, transgression.
Sin: Perhaps from G1 (as a negative particle) and the base of G3313; properly to miss the mark (and so not share in the prize), that is, (figuratively) to err, especially (morally) to sin: - for your faults, offend, sin, trespass.
You will never find a verse that states Eve sinned. If she did, prove it.
Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sinG266 entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—
We have no right to add, subtract or distort the meaning of scriptures to hold fast to what we "want to believe" "as" truth. Show me where Eve sinned and how. Don't leave scriptures out. Don't add meaning not in any scripture, and don't distort any meaning to hold fast to your belief and correct me. I am open to altering my beliefs. Are you?
Transgression of failing in the 2 roles she was created for. Yes. She was created to be a helper suitable for her husband and to be his glory. The 2 roles she failed at, not when she ate, but when she got Adam to eat. "Through one man sin ..." So did God get it wrong?
Actually, she was tempted. She told the serpent that God forbid eating of the tree of good and evil. Said that if this happened that person would die. She knew it was wrong but was swayed by the deception of the serpent.
A day in the eyes of the Lord is like a thousand years and a thousand years a day. I believe that Adam lived to be 930 years old. So, in the eyes of the Lord, he did, in fact, died the day that he ate from the forbidden tree. So did his wife Eve.
Regardless, Eve was certainly a helper suitable to him.
So, if we teach as commandments of God the precepts of men, or others do so and command us to do what they say instead of what God says, are we obligated to obey them? It wasn't "God's Command" for Eve, or God would have given it to BOTH of them when He said, be fruitful and multiply and to put the whole earth in subjection, right? God gave Adam alone the command. three different times God said He gave Adam alone the command (singular) and each time God says ONLY him. Is what God says good enough? Correct me. Where did I misinterpret what God says?
And, God didn't give Adam rule, authority, ... over Eve until AFTER the fall. So, she was not commanded to obey him.
You have a problem here. The eating event was finished "Before" vs. 7.
After both had eaten,
"Gen 3:7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings."
Also, the wording in verse 6 indicates a separate event of the eating.
Gen. 3:6 "... she took from its fruit and ate;"
Gen. 3:6 "and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate."
Tell me I'm wrong and point to the error. Is this not the case? Is this not the meaning?
When Eve became a sinner has nothing to do with when sin entered the world. Eve is not the world. Sin is passed down through Adam. The sin nature is in the flesh Rom.7:23 and is genetically formed. It is through procreation that sin entered all humanity. You are trying to make the verse apply to two separate individuals rather than the actual context which, is the world. It also entered the natural world as per God's judgment in Gen.3 which is reflected in Rom.8:20
No, the problem is she did die exactly as God said, "in the day you eat" not the instant you eat. You are trying to make death instantaneous but God never said that.
Speculation on your part. I showed you the verse that said Eve was deceived and became a sinner. Nothing about breaking a direct command of God. 1Tim.2:14. You need to prove your point that one can only sin by breaking a direct command of God. Considering God has not given every human being a direct command for every sin that can be committed, I don't think your argument will stand if you tried to tell God you haven't really sinned.
More speculation on your part as to whether Adam spoke God's command accurately to Eve. Just because Eve added to it doesn't mean Adam stuffed up the retelling. Eve has a brain in her head and can think for herself. We are given a bare bones description of what happened, we have no idea how long Eve may have been pondering the command not to eat and how, in her imagination, she thought about the command.
She failed when she was deceived and believed the lie just as the scriptures state. You need to look at all the scriptures and compare them not simply one part. I gave many examples in my last post regarding where sin begins, in the heart where no-one but God can see. Just because we do not see the overt results instantaneously, doesn't mean sin has not occurred.
1 Timothy 2:14
And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.