New heaven and Earth. No idea where there or here is then. lol..... if we are going to go to Heaven, then why is the New Jerusalem coming down here?
So you guys really do believe Heaven is a "location?"
What else can we conceive but a location?So you guys really do believe Heaven is a "location?"
Not a problem. I wouldn't know how to work GPS if someone gave it to me for free. lolYes.
And we've decided not to give you the GPS.
What else can we conceive but a location?
No, that was a real question. Sort of like "God is eternal." The closest I can get to conceive what that means is God was around before the universe. Then my mind goes with "how much time before the universe."You're trying out for the Comedy Club, right?
No, that was a real question. Sort of like "God is eternal." The closest I can get to conceive what that means is God was around before the universe. Then my mind goes with "how much time before the universe."
"No time before the universe."
"Ummm, how much time is no time?"
"No idea, because times not involved."
Then my mind gets boggled, because I can't really picture outside time, being linear myself.
And then likewise, I can't picture no space outside of space.
God is outside time or space, but the best I can do with that is imagine him in time and space anyway despite that.
So, you believe, like I do, that God is outside time and space. Then how do you imagine heaven, because I seem quite stuck with imagining it's really some kind of space, when it might not be.
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Because heaven is not out final destination. The new earth is, to live forever in our glorified bodies with our God. No sin, no death...yay : . Can't wait...... if we are going to go to Heaven, then why is the New Jerusalem coming down here?
I'm very visual in my thinking. Everything has to look like something. Whereas, you didn't go where my mind went, I have no idea how to visualize what "all encompassing" looks like. No visual -- no comprehension. Weird, huh?That's interesting, because I don't see "God is eternal" as 'time', per se. I see it as "all encompassing", everywhere and everything... totally involved and all absorbing... living in, and being lived in. Basically, making life what life is.
New Jerusalem is an awareness that descends upon us after we repent of our sin, I believe...... if we are going to go to Heaven, then why is the New Jerusalem coming down here?
Maybe a little. You know the feeling of loving and being loved, don't you.?I'm very visual in my thinking. Everything has to look like something. Whereas, you didn't go where my mind went, I have no idea how to visualize what "all encompassing" looks like. No visual -- no comprehension. Weird, huh?
Yes. It looks like a protective hug, yummy dinner, going the extra mile, putting your only coat on someone who is cold. See? It still looks like something.Maybe a little. You know the feeling of loving and being loved, don't you.?
..... if we are going to go to Heaven, then why is the New Jerusalem coming down here?
Yes. It looks like a protective hug, yummy dinner, going the extra mile, putting your only coat on someone who is cold. See? It still looks like something.