Exactly what is the power of Death and how did satan come to control it
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Ok but bare in mind you should always rememember you are a child to God, remember the scripture that says come to me like little children by Jesus., thats because God likes you to think of him as your father and you his child. he loves that kinda of relationship.
and also this can be useful if you feel the question is silly, because no matter how silly or little you may feel, God loves the his liitle children which is what all manking is to him in cuding you because he the oldest of grand fathers and ye are just a minute fraction of his age, our fathers loves it when ye come to him on like little children, and dont feel silly for it either. anyhow if you change your mind let me know,goodbye for now. ps everytime you go to church of a weekend it is sunday school to the father.
and also this can be useful if you feel the question is silly, because no matter how silly or little you may feel, God loves the his liitle children which is what all manking is to him in cuding you because he the oldest of grand fathers and ye are just a minute fraction of his age, our fathers loves it when ye come to him on like little children, and dont feel silly for it either. anyhow if you change your mind let me know,goodbye for now. ps everytime you go to church of a weekend it is sunday school to the father.
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it depends how strict you want to be. Is a single sin considered full blown apostasy from the faith? If God didn’t tolerate any excuses for Adam and Eve then I guess He won’t tolerate excuses from anyone else. If willful, ignorant, or accidental sin is apostasy then no one is in the faith and no one has repented.
By those metrics alone I think it’s necessary to reassess what it really means to be in Christ and what it means to really repent; I believe the answer will surprise many people, especially the works-based crowd and legalists.
By those metrics alone I think it’s necessary to reassess what it really means to be in Christ and what it means to really repent; I believe the answer will surprise many people, especially the works-based crowd and legalists.
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not really because scriptire says sin entered in through man and passed upon all other men through him
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
( For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.”
Romans 5:12-14 KJV
Ultimately looking at the big picture , there is certainly something to what your saying though . Satan led the world of man where we are now but we were free to follow the darkness or light and we followed the darkness freely having Gods word “ don’t eat the fruit you will surely die “and then satans word “ it won’t hurt you it will Make you as gods “
Satan didn’t have dominion until we gave it to him is my point so I would have to agree with Paul sin entered into the world through Adam and Eves transgression. And because we are thier children naturally we inherited that knowledge of good and evil and death comes with it
“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
( For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.”
Romans 5:12-14 KJV
Ultimately looking at the big picture , there is certainly something to what your saying though . Satan led the world of man where we are now but we were free to follow the darkness or light and we followed the darkness freely having Gods word “ don’t eat the fruit you will surely die “and then satans word “ it won’t hurt you it will Make you as gods “
Satan didn’t have dominion until we gave it to him is my point so I would have to agree with Paul sin entered into the world through Adam and Eves transgression. And because we are thier children naturally we inherited that knowledge of good and evil and death comes with it
hi pilgrims hope, when you say not really does that mean that you are 100% convinced that disobedience and Rebellion did not start in the heavens first. Because scriptures say fallen angels have been bound.
Scripture is quoted as saying that Satan is the ruler of this world and that he holds the power of death, but have you ever really questioned why Satan is the ruler of this world and why he holds the power of death.
Scripture says here that you posted that sin gives power to death.
And Satan says he will exalt himself higher than the heavens.
Which is a power mad statement.
Would that not be because the more people satan can tempt into sin the more the power of death becomes more powerful in Satan.
Is it plausible The power of death and sin spread quickly from angel to angel in the heavens befor they where cast down to earth from heaven, befor they took up wife's for them self's. And is possible Satan corrupted the angels in heaven. Just like he corrupted Adam and Eve in the garden.
Also what would you say anything that gives power to death.
Would you understand The reason that we must refuse temptation is because sin gives power to death. So for instance you know if we somehow become un-sober in the mind that we give death the opportunity to knock on our door. Or if we don't train the mind to stay on Guard that we also give death the opportunity to sneak in like a thief in the night unnoticed. Or day if we don't stay on watch and we don't keep the eyes of our heart open, we also drop our guard.
Now the power of death was able to kill the spirits in mankind now the power of death is also still able to corrupt the body of a Christian The flesh as you know, and still we wait or incorruptible body. In the meantime temptation can still come and the Christian can still give in to temptation and obviously then that sin corrupts the flesh of the Christian which then gives power to death.
Now for the non-Christian the spirit is at risk if they carry on living a life of sin they give more and more power to death and death becomes deep rooted in them in their soul. The spirit dies. And the power of death is still in this world still temptation sin and death is still trying to break into to Christians...
We are all sinners saved by grace.
God cannot be an Indian giver you know God cannot save you by grace and then un-save you by that Grace to tempt you and test you.
Scripture is quoted as saying that Satan is the ruler of this world and that he holds the power of death, but have you ever really questioned why Satan is the ruler of this world and why he holds the power of death.
Scripture says here that you posted that sin gives power to death.
And Satan says he will exalt himself higher than the heavens.
Which is a power mad statement.
Would that not be because the more people satan can tempt into sin the more the power of death becomes more powerful in Satan.
Is it plausible The power of death and sin spread quickly from angel to angel in the heavens befor they where cast down to earth from heaven, befor they took up wife's for them self's. And is possible Satan corrupted the angels in heaven. Just like he corrupted Adam and Eve in the garden.
Also what would you say anything that gives power to death.
Would you understand The reason that we must refuse temptation is because sin gives power to death. So for instance you know if we somehow become un-sober in the mind that we give death the opportunity to knock on our door. Or if we don't train the mind to stay on Guard that we also give death the opportunity to sneak in like a thief in the night unnoticed. Or day if we don't stay on watch and we don't keep the eyes of our heart open, we also drop our guard.
Now the power of death was able to kill the spirits in mankind now the power of death is also still able to corrupt the body of a Christian The flesh as you know, and still we wait or incorruptible body. In the meantime temptation can still come and the Christian can still give in to temptation and obviously then that sin corrupts the flesh of the Christian which then gives power to death.
Now for the non-Christian the spirit is at risk if they carry on living a life of sin they give more and more power to death and death becomes deep rooted in them in their soul. The spirit dies. And the power of death is still in this world still temptation sin and death is still trying to break into to Christians...
We are all sinners saved by grace.
God cannot be an Indian giver you know God cannot save you by grace and then un-save you by that Grace to tempt you and test you.
Jesus is only more powerful than death in a person life if they stay obedient to the lord. And don't fall for temptation. The reason why Jesus is more powerful is because he beat death by not being fooled by temptation from satan and not sinning. Would you agree @Journeyman
The power of death is thru sin and disobedience. And satan has gained control over it thru deception leading man kind to rebellion through disobeying what God said. Satan is the master of deception and will do anything to lead Gods creation to destruction because he does not want to worship God, he wants to be worshipped.
yeah the thing is with me ( just how I see it ) we shouldn’t go beyond what’s written so I try to stay with what scripture makes clear . That’s why I quoted the scriptures that make me think that
in the past I’ve wandered a lot into things I though or figured but later it turns out that when I learn later from scripture I had wandered from its conclusion and explaination
I don’t know everything , not even a lot compared to what’s available to learn from scripture. My position is a learner and never quite able to convince myself that I know all I need to know but today I’m doing well and swelling with Jesus as best I can each hour and moment
tomorrow I’ll begin again with a cup of coffee and a Bible and prayer to start my day and my hope will remain in Jesus and I’ll try to learn something I didn’t know yesterday
so no o don’t know for sure what transpired in the heavens apart from what the prophets , the New Testament and the book of revelation tells us transpired in the heavens.
I don’t comment to try to argue or dispute just sharing my own thoughts to your op I think my position is that sin came through man because God gave us dominion on earth not Satan , he only has any power at all because we handed our dominion to him
you say he’s the ruler of this world I say we are me in order for him to have any power he has to corrupt us
think of it satan can’t actually do anything in the world unless he works through a man he murdered lies and rapes but the agent of his devises are always mankind because earth is mans
just as God works through men and women who believe in him truly , Satan works through those who don’t but the choice belongs To us Becausebit was man who God gave the earth to and we then handed it to the devil
in the past I’ve wandered a lot into things I though or figured but later it turns out that when I learn later from scripture I had wandered from its conclusion and explaination
I don’t know everything , not even a lot compared to what’s available to learn from scripture. My position is a learner and never quite able to convince myself that I know all I need to know but today I’m doing well and swelling with Jesus as best I can each hour and moment
tomorrow I’ll begin again with a cup of coffee and a Bible and prayer to start my day and my hope will remain in Jesus and I’ll try to learn something I didn’t know yesterday
so no o don’t know for sure what transpired in the heavens apart from what the prophets , the New Testament and the book of revelation tells us transpired in the heavens.
I don’t comment to try to argue or dispute just sharing my own thoughts to your op I think my position is that sin came through man because God gave us dominion on earth not Satan , he only has any power at all because we handed our dominion to him
you say he’s the ruler of this world I say we are me in order for him to have any power he has to corrupt us
think of it satan can’t actually do anything in the world unless he works through a man he murdered lies and rapes but the agent of his devises are always mankind because earth is mans
just as God works through men and women who believe in him truly , Satan works through those who don’t but the choice belongs To us Becausebit was man who God gave the earth to and we then handed it to the devil
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