Expounding on the Feasts of the Lord

[KittenofMelchisedek]

Thanks for the info Just-me (sorry =P), lemme look into this....I wanna go by what scripture says, not my own knowledge....what happens to the normal Sabbath....lets say one year Sukkot begins on a Monday or something. I know on the calendar it isn't fixed, the day of the week changes, unless I was looking at a really bad calendar or something. I'll check it out, for now, I'm off to start a new job woohoo!

 

[john832]

Isn't atonement 5 days long, and trumpets 9 days long? Where are the 10 days mentioned? Do you have some scripture for that? Thanks for you input. It helps with kicking my brain into gear. LOL GBU

Atonement is one day. The Jews mark the ten days from Trumpets to Atonement as a time for reflection and repentance, don't they?

 

[john832]

The Jews would never have had anyone crucified on a weekly or an annual Sabbath, so the 14th is not a Sabbath day. That statement ought to raise a ruckus. Hope it don't. I know others don't want to think that the 14th is not a Sabbath day. Oh well

The Passover has NEVER been a Sabbath. It is a Feast but not a Sabbath. The next day, the First Day of Unleavened Bread, is an annual Sabbath.

 

[just-me]

The Passover has NEVER been a Sabbath. It is a Feast but not a Sabbath. The next day, the First Day of Unleavened Bread, is an annual Sabbath.

Just going by what the Bible says. The next day begins at "even" or twilight. We've discussed this before.

Leviticus 23:5-7 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

The feast of unleavened bread correlates precisely with the feast of tabernacles in the first and seventh month.

Leviticus 23:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

Leviticus 23:32 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP]It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

The even of the 9th day is the beginning of the 10th day.

Leviticus 23:39 (KJV)
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.

The 1st, 10th and 15th days are all Sabbath days in both the 1st and 7th month. Where we fail to agree is that the day starts at even, evening, or twilight. You're saying that the 14th is Passover, and I'm saying the 15th is Passover.

Exodus 12:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

Exodus 12:12-13 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

Leviticus 23:6-8 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

If the 22nd is a Sabbath, then the 15th is also a Sabbath.

maybe you will agree with this...
Now to clarify the feast of weeks we count starting on the 23rd day of the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] month, leaving us 8 days to the end of the month of Nisan. 8 days added to the 29 days in Lyar equal 37 days. Then by adding the12 days of the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] month to that sum, we complete 49 days which equal 7 weeks. The 23[SUP]rd[/SUP] day of the first month is the beginning of the feast of weeks lasting 49 days. The 49 days includes first fruits, ending by commemorating Pentecost and Moses climbing up the Mount to receive the stone tablets on the 13[SUP]th [/SUP]day of the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] month Sivan. (Exodus Chapters 19 thru 24) By adding another day according to Leviticus 23:16 we arrive at the 13[SUP]th[/SUP] day of the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] month.

Exodus 19:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.

Exodus 19:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

In Exodus 19:1 and 16 we count 3 days.
Exodus 24:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.

Exodus 24:13-14 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And Moses rose up, and his minister Joshua: and Moses went up into the mount of God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And he said unto the elders, Tarry ye here for us, until we come again unto you: and, behold, Aaron and Hur are with you: if any man have any matters to do, let him come unto them.

There is one week of 7 days following the 5[SUP]th[/SUP] day of the month ending on the 12[SUP]th[/SUP] day. Exodus 24:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud.

 

[just-me]

to clarify further if I may, the 15th (1st day) and the 22nd (8th day) are Sabbaths which makes the 16th the first day of the week.

Leviticus 23:34-36 (KJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.

Leviticus 23:39 (KJV)
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.

 

[just-me]

Exodus 24:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud.

Leviticus 23:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

The 12th of Sivan is a Sabbath day. This is the same day Moses was called to the mountain according to Exodus 24:16.

Israel came to the mount on the 3rd of Sivan (Exodus 19:16) In reading Exodus 24:4 and verse 13 we add 2 more days to = 5 days.

In reading Exodus 24:16, this adds another week, bringing us to the 12th day of the month. This was the 7th Sabbath being the end of the 7 weeks of the feast of weeks instructed later in Leviticus 23:16.

Knowing Lyar has 29 days we add these 12 days to 29 to = 41 days.

Nisan has 30 days. Counting the 23rd day of Nisan to the 30th, being 8 days we add them to the 41 days to = 49 days or 7 weeks of Sabbaths.

Therefore, if the 12th of Sivan is a Sabbath, then the 23rd of Nisan is the first day of the week, making the 22nd a Sabbath day. That would make the 16th of Nisan the 1st day of the week.

 

[just-me]

"This is the first Passover ordained by God. "In Jewish time, the day begins with the onset of night (the appearance of the stars) followed by the morning (which technically begins with the appearance of the North Star). According to some Jewish teachers, night and morning begin with sunset and sunrise respectively. For that is how the Torah describes it: “And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.”

Jewish Time

Exodus 12:6-8 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

Exodus 12:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.

Some people say that the lamb was killed at the end of the 13th day, and God passed over on the night of the 14th. This doesn't match the first day of the feast of tabernacles. I think they should correlate. If they don't, then all I have written in the last few posts are totally incorrect.

Mark 14:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?

The lamb was killed on the 14th. This website explains very well what the seeming change of Passover, and unleavened bread to alleviate confusion for some.

BibleTrack: Passover Day

 

[KittenofMelchisedek]

just-me....there is something off about the way you have things lined up, but you are so smart to be able to add all those days. Thank you for showing your work so I could follow along. Just give this a thought, what if instead of a mirror type correlation as you suggest, maybe it has more of a progressive element than you're giving it credit for. Instead of something linear, maybe more of a spiral. I was wondering earlier, if maybe Pentecost, awesome as it was, was just a foreshadowing too. Jesus was crucified on the "day of preparation" which I always assumed was the afternoon before Passover was to start. I think there's something special about twilight, where you're almost in between days. So you can make some days longer or shorter depending on your outlook on life lol no really though, Jews start the Sabbath as soon as the sun is beneath the horizon, but they don't stop the following evening until the first stars show.

You guys argue over semantics a lot, but I'm really convinced that you agree on 90% of the things I see you argue about=P

Hey did you guys know there's going to be a full lunar eclipse on the first days of Passover and Tabernacles this year and the following year? (to be fair the Passover 2015 one is going to be seen in like Hawaii but whatever) I just thought that was cool =P

 

[Least]

When I first began to study the feasts, I noticed that the Jewish people celebrated the new year at a different time than what the bible says about the signs to watch for.

I asked a man that I knew who went by a Jewish calendar why it was different, and his response was that, "in Israel, they celebrate many new years within a biblical year." I asked if he could show me that in scriptures, and he couldn't not.

I'm not as studied on this as Just-me is, but I know that many go by different calendars, (some pre-made,) which is difficult to do because the first sign (Aviv,) always happens at a different time, but I agree that we have to stick with what the word says.

Getting the timing right can be difficult because it's so different from our standard calendar. Each year I try to follow the days as listed in scripture, from Aviv, and then looking for the new moon for the month online at a moon phases calendar. Even then it's difficult because the new moon in the bible is described as the first sliver, and many of the moon phase sites show the new moon as completely dark.

It takes a lot of time and effort.

Thanks for all your hard work brother, and thank you for sticking with scriptures.

 

[just-me]

I know that I might ruffle feathers on both sides of the fence, first for those that want nothing to do with the Mosaic Law and some who observe Jewish tradition, and days as they are observed today. Both sides are believers in Jesus Christ. (Yeshua Messiah) Too bad these days that there are sides opposed to each other within the ranks of professing Christians, but it's a sign of the "falling away" from the truth. I was even told once that if I didn't pronounce the name Yeshua correctly as it is pronounced in Hebrew that I was taking the Lord's name in vain. I tend to disagree with that. I have been called Judaizer, and a legalizer with hateful phrases added to demean my character, just like some of you. Doesn't bother me personally except my heart hurts because of what I see. The main point that I bring to all that read this is that it's good to observe the 3 feasts but not without the heart of sincerity, and understanding. To observe these days without seeing the 1st and 7th month comparisons entices a person to observe tradition more than the spiritual reality that is encompassed in it all. To not observe the feasts entices a person to neglect the most important parts of the salvation plan, and therefore making up their own description of loving God, and their neighbor, usually based on unstable arbitrary forgiveness and "warm fuzziness," like a flag blowing in the wind.

2 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

We are called to simplicity, but NOT to be simple minded. After my study of the 3 feasts, I see simplicity. It's not hard to understand. Trumpets are related to the times Moses advises Israel about the lamb's capture and its inspection for blemish, and is a direct comparison with Jesus/Yeshua showing the very same things about Himself, calling people to believe, and showing them who He really was. Atonement is a direct comparison of the time the lamb was captured and killed, same as the time sequence was between Jesus entering Jerusalem and His death. He rose on the 3rd day, exactly the same time Israel had needed water, and God showed Moses a tree to make the water sweet that was once unpalatable. The feast of tabernacles and the feast of unleavened bread are for us to live, and experience the reality of our salvation. The spring harvest is the feast of weeks incorporating the 40 days Jesus ministered after His resurrection, being resurrected by Himself, His Father and the Holy Spirit. It's all in the Bible. The day after the ending of the feast of weeks is a direct comparison between the law, and the giving of the Holy Spirit. The law and the Spirit work hand in hand. It's simple. Remember the numbers 9, 5, 7, and 50 in that order?

9. Fruit of the Spirit comes first, showing the divine completeness from the Father from the beginning.
Genesis 1:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
John 17:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.


5. Next shows us of God's goodness, within the first 5 books of the Bible containing the law.
Romans 7:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.


7. The 3rd aspect is the resurrection of our everlasting High Priest, the Spiritual completion of His testimony given to us, and showing His/our Father's perfection.
Psalm 19:7-8 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.

And finally what 50 represents=Pentecost/Pesach
Acts 2:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Exodus 19:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.


2 Peter 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[KittenofMelchisedek]

Just-me, I liked a lot of what you had to say, but in the end of things you're using a lot of "if this, than that" reasoning, and putting a lot of emphasis on the progression of numbers, but there are many typographical allusions in scripture. I really don't think there is an exact mirror between the two feasts. How can you see a progression of events related to the feasts and determine what they represent when they could have numerous representations? I'm just wondering. I could be simply misunderstanding you.


can you correlate the numbers 1 through 9 with the feast days without using gematria? Just wondering

 

[KittenofMelchisedek]

Just-me maybe I'm getting confused by the times where the calendar says something is the Sabbath and where the Lord says something will be a Sabbath to me. One thing I do know is that the 15th is not a Sabbath on Saturday Sabbath but a solemn assembly kind of Sabbath, (John said it's the annual Sabbath, by which I think he means the Shabbat Ha Gadol or Great Sabbath, which is the 12th day of the month, but that falls before Pesach) either way, the 16th is NOT the first day of the week. Also, The Lord's Passover is the Solemn day at the beginning of Pesach. They kept the lamb until the 14th (the day of preparation/fast of the firstborn/day of the crucifixion), and it is killed just before sunset, therefor the night that begins an hour later is the 15th, the first day of Pesach, the night in which the Lord passed over Egypt, which is also the first night Jesus spent in the grave. Also, I think that might be putting off your counting of the days before Shavu'ot. I know it reads to start counting the morrow after the Sabbath and says to start counting after they put the sickle to the corn, this is misleading to some, because it's referring both the 'Sabbath that doesn't happen on Saturday' that is the first day of Pesach, as well as the custom of cutting the first of the barley to be offered with the first of the grain during the Bikkurim ceremony. So the first day of counting the omer is 16 Nissan. You can't totally remove all of Hebrew culture from the feast days and expect them to add up 100%, but neither should you let too much worldly knowledge in, because then you get something like what you see now, where Jews will say that Pesach and Sukkot are mirror images, to the point where they say the 8th day of assembly at the end of Sukkot should happen 49 days later than it does, but that the first day you are allowed to celebrate the "Sukkot version of Shavu'ot" is the day after it ends. Those people who go with that are forgetting what God said about all the males coming to the place where the Lord put his name 3 times a year. They wanna change it to two so it can match our Easter/Christmas match-up. I would hate to see anyone be aligned to that unknowingly, but if you think I'm wrong, I can't force you to reexamine your whole concept.

 

[just-me]

Just-me, I liked a lot of what you had to say, but in the end of things you're using a lot of "if this, than that" reasoning, and putting a lot of emphasis on the progression of numbers, but there are many typographical allusions in scripture. I really don't think there is an exact mirror between the two feasts. How can you see a progression of events related to the feasts and determine what they represent when they could have numerous representations? I'm just wondering. I could be simply misunderstanding you.


can you correlate the numbers 1 through 9 with the feast days without using gematria? Just wondering

I would reckon that I'm ignorant concerning the word "gematria." It sounds like geometry instead of simply counting, adding and subtracting. Would you be so kind as to explain what that is? Concerning the 1 thru 9 that you mentioned, I would begin (but it isn't necessary) by thinking about the first 9 letters of the Hebrew alphabet and their meanings. I haven't don that concerning the correlation of 1 thru 9.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I would reckon that I'm ignorant concerning the word "gematria." It sounds like geometry instead of simply counting, adding and subtracting. Would you be so kind as to explain what that is?

I was not familiar with the term, either.

Blessings.

 

[john832]

just-me....there is something off about the way you have things lined up, but you are so smart to be able to add all those days. Thank you for showing your work so I could follow along. Just give this a thought, what if instead of a mirror type correlation as you suggest, maybe it has more of a progressive element than you're giving it credit for. Instead of something linear, maybe more of a spiral. I was wondering earlier, if maybe Pentecost, awesome as it was, was just a foreshadowing too. Jesus was crucified on the "day of preparation" which I always assumed was the afternoon before Passover was to start. I think there's something special about twilight, where you're almost in between days. So you can make some days longer or shorter depending on your outlook on life lol no really though, Jews start the Sabbath as soon as the sun is beneath the horizon, but they don't stop the following evening until the first stars show.

You guys argue over semantics a lot, but I'm really convinced that you agree on 90% of the things I see you argue about=P

Hey did you guys know there's going to be a full lunar eclipse on the first days of Passover and Tabernacles this year and the following year? (to be fair the Passover 2015 one is going to be seen in like Hawaii but whatever) I just thought that was cool =P

They are called "blood moons" and the Jews believe they are a foreboding of misfortune for them.

 

[just-me]

Just-me maybe I'm getting confused by the times where the calendar says something is the Sabbath and where the Lord says something will be a Sabbath to me. One thing I do know is that the 15th is not a Sabbath on Saturday Sabbath but a solemn assembly kind of Sabbath, (John said it's the annual Sabbath, by which I think he means the Shabbat Ha Gadol or Great Sabbath, which is the 12th day of the month, but that falls before Pesach) either way, the 16th is NOT the first day of the week.

It appears that the 14th day in Exodus 12:6 was the Shabbat Ha Gadol which means the Shabbat preceding Pesach.

Torah on the Web - Virtual Beit Midrash - 28metzora-hagadol
Nevertheless, “the very existence of such a special shabbat by this name – are mentioned nowhere in the Mishna or the Talmud. The custom of Shabbat Ha Gadol seems to have originated in Germany during the Middle Ages, and from there it spread throughout the Jewish world. It is only since the time of the early commentators that the customs of this special shabbat have been discussed, together with its special name.”

It appears to me that the installation of weekly Sabbath days was first mentioned after Pesach in Exodus chapter 16. This is the second month after Passover, please try to follow. The number of days per month had not been considered at that time. Months were only calculated by the new moons. In Exodus 16:1 we see it as the middle of the month (the 15[SUP]th[/SUP]) as was Passover. In Exodus 16:5 we see a promise of 6 days. Verse 7 is the next day that we could calculate as the first day of the week. Verse 22 is the 6[SUP]th[/SUP] day. The Israelites calculations of moons were likely learned from the Egyptians, but the days of the month were not figured by the Egyptians until much later. So we can compare the 15[SUP]th[/SUP] day of the first month to the 15[SUP]th[/SUP] day of the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] month. This makes the 22[SUP]nd[/SUP] of both months as Sabbaths, the 22[SUP]nd[/SUP] day of the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] month an ‘after the fact’ Sabbath, for a lack of a better term. The Hebrew number 15 means rest.

Also, The Lord's Passover is the Solemn day at the beginning of Pesach. They kept the lamb until the 14th (the day of preparation/fast of the firstborn/day of the crucifixion), and it is killed just before sunset, therefor the night that begins an hour later is the 15th, the first day of Pesach, the night in which the Lord passed over Egypt, which is also the first night Jesus spent in the grave. Also, I think that might be putting off your counting of the days before Shavu'ot. I know it reads to start counting the morrow after the Sabbath and says to start counting after they put the sickle to the corn, this is misleading to some, because it's referring both the 'Sabbath that doesn't happen on Saturday' that is the first day of Pesach, as well as the custom of cutting the first of the barley to be offered with the first of the grain during the Bikkurim ceremony. So the first day of counting the omer is 16 Nissan.

Earlier, in this thread, I mentioned that the harvests can vary according to the seasons. Remember that there was no harvest when Moses received the tablets of stone relating Shavuot to the finale of the feast of weeks. The feast of weeks starts on the 23[SUP]rd[/SUP] when calculating this time in the days of Moses. Moses wasn’t around when this actual feast took place. In addition, the spring harvest and the fall harvests are not comparable to each other and neither are in the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] or 7[SUP]th[/SUP] months.

You can't totally remove all of Hebrew culture from the feast days and expect them to add up 100%, but neither should you let too much worldly knowledge in, because then you get something like what you see now, where Jews will say that Pesach and Sukkot are mirror images, to the point where they say the 8th day of assembly at the end of Sukkot should happen 49 days later than it does, but that the first day you are allowed to celebrate the "Sukkot version of Shavu'ot" is the day after it ends. Those people who go with that are forgetting what God said about all the males coming to the place where the Lord put his name 3 times a year. They wanna change it to two so it can match our Easter/Christmas match-up. I would hate to see anyone be aligned to that unknowingly, but if you think I'm wrong, I can't force you to reexamine your whole concept.

I bypassed all the Hebrew culture on purpose and went by the information written in the Bible only, with the exception of the Hebrew alphabet and number meanings, so I didn’t intend them to match with Hebrew tradition even though I used the Hebrew alphabet, and Meanings of Hebrew numbers. On the same token, there are also many things in the Hebrew traditions that are bypassed in the Bible. Easter and Christmas do not apply at all. They are compromised scheduled times that were actually pagan to begin with. The 3 times a year that males were to be assembled was during the 3 feasts.

Exodus 23:14-17 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto me in the year.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD.

My entire presentation was for the purpose of matching the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] and 7[SUP]th[/SUP] month, matching the giving of the law to the giving of the Holy Sprit, and how a Christian life ought to be lived today through Christ Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. I think my calculations of days help do that, if we leave all other theologies and traditions aside. Lastly, Jesus finished His work at the *end of the 14[SUP]th [/SUP]day and rested on the first full day being the15[SUP]th[/SUP], same as His/our Father ended His work on the 6[SUP]th[/SUP] day, and rested on the 7[SUP]th[/SUP]. *Evening first, then **morning follows.

John 19:30 (KJV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, *It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Genesis 1:31 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the *evening and the **morning were the sixth day.
Genesis 2:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Jesus wasn’t resting during the 14[SUP]th[/SUP],……. not until it was finished, and I do not count partial days as some who want to count the last part of the 14[SUP]th[/SUP] as a Sabbath, making the entire day a Sabbath, for it was a day of preparation. I don’t do that because there is no Biblical backup for that. The reason I believe Jesus died on the 14[SUP]th[/SUP] is because the Passover lamb was killed on the 14[SUP]th[/SUP]. There is a reason the Jews didn’t want anyone hanging on a cross during the high day which would have been the 15th.

 

[just-me]

For clarification.

I mentioned in the previous post that "the spring harvest and the fall harvests are not comparable to each other and neither are in the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] or 7[SUP]th[/SUP] months." I should have added 'concerning the relationships of harvest times.'

Nevertheless, the feast of weeks (spring harvest) include the last part of the 1st month, and the fall harvest might include the first part of the 7th month. I don't know what the spiritual meaning would be in any sort of comparison, so I never addressed a comparison between the two. Might have something to do with what was harvested during those times of the year. Could be someone does. Any spiritual thoughts like a parable?

 

[just-me]

Allow me to endorse 2 Chronicles 30:13-2 as I did previously way back on page 13, and add something to it concerning the 2nd month being Lyar. (I think it was that page)

I said that "the second month then becomes a by-product of the original designation, yet understood and accepted fully by our great and wonderful loving Father in heaven for good reason."

So I would like to add that is important to know that this time period of the second month correlates with the giving of manna being the introduction of Sabbath days. (Exodus 16:1, 7 and verse 22) Hezekiah prayed on the fourteenth day of the second month as Jesus prayed in Gethsemane on the fourteenth day of the first month before His arrest. (John chapter 17)

 

[just-me]

Messed up on the previous post. I missed the ZERO. LOL the scripture is 2 Chronicles 30:13-20. I noticed after it was too late to change it. sorry y'all Dah on my part.

 

[just-me]

Just-me, I liked a lot of what you had to say, but in the end of things you're using a lot of "if this, than that" reasoning, and putting a lot of emphasis on the progression of numbers, but there are many typographical allusions in scripture. I really don't think there is an exact mirror between the two feasts. How can you see a progression of events related to the feasts and determine what they represent when they could have numerous representations? I'm just wondering. I could be simply misunderstanding you.


can you correlate the numbers 1 through 9 with the feast days without using gematria? Just wondering

I think that 1 thru 9 would represent more of covenant rather than the feasts, not to separate the two. Covenant is incorporated with feasts and vise versa. I think that those numbers would relate better to the 9 days before Passover and Trumpets, those being seen as one container that envelopes 9 days. I haven't studied 1 thru 9 in any depth at all.

You might want to check into the thread

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/85795-new-covenant-wine-all-goda-s-word.html