"Faith + Works =...

[GRACE_ambassador]

...Justification

“But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him That Justifieth ​

the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness” (Rom. 4:5).​

As this verse clearly affirms, salvation in The Dispensation Of Grace is By
Grace Through faith, apart from works (Eph. 2:8,9; Titus 3:5). However,
just because salvation is by faith without works today, it must not be
assumed that salvation has always been by faith alone. Compare Paul’s
words in our text above to the words of the psalmist:

“Then stood up Phinehas, and executed judgment...And THAT​

was counted unto him for righteousness” (Psa. 106:30,31).​

See the difference?...

...Old Testament...heroes of faith...

...“without faith it is impossible to please Him” (Heb. 11:6). But the faith of each
of these heroes also prompted them to express their faith by doing whatever
work God Required of them...

...Today, when salvation is By Grace Through faith without works, * we express our
faith by simply resting in The Finished Work Of Christ On Calvary...
"
(R Kurth)

FULL study:

Faith + Works = Justification

* Of Course, Today, There Are works [for rewards] after salvation: Which Works To Walk In


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Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!​

 

[Pilgrimshope]

“What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, and one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.( they aren’t opposed the work is the result of true faith the work completes faith )

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? ( faith and works go together )

And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:14-23, 26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God isn’t looking for anyone to say the right words and then Refuse to live the life and walk in faith and embrace the good works he’s placed before us to do

faith isn’t the opposite of a work faith teaches us the right works and empowers us to do what we need to

 

[John146]

“What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, and one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.( they aren’t opposed the work is the result of true faith the work completes faith )

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? ( faith and works go together )

And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:14-23, 26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God isn’t looking for anyone to say the right words and then Refuse to live the life and walk in faith and embrace the good works he’s placed before us to do

faith isn’t the opposite of a work faith teaches us the right works and empowers us to do what we need to

To whom is James written? Verse 1, the twelve tribes of Israel. The body of Christ is not the twelve tribes no matter how one twists scripture.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

To whom is James written? Verse 1, the twelve tribes of Israel. The body of Christ is not the twelve tribes no matter how one twists scripture.

are isrselites any different than a gentile ?
“For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Are they goinf to be judged any differently ?

“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Whether James was talking to an Israelite or gentile makes absolutely no difference. God spoke to all in the gospel. The exact same doctrine for all nations

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:28‬ ‭

Your still looking at it like no one’s been born again trying to make a distinction between Jew and gentile israel
And the nations there isn’t any difference everyone failed and sinned Jew and gentile God doesn’t teach Jews one thing and gentiles another

“Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


It’s always going to be an erroneous thought that there is a distinction between flesh whe the jew or gentile or that there’s a different doctrine for anyone other than this

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬


That’s who James is talking to anyone who is of faith that’s what he’s talking about genuine faith d the difference is saying I believe , and ac try ally believing and following that belief

a no matter how me one tries to omit the truth about repentance and righteousness this now still always going to be true and this is why works matter

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;

and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there isn’t a difference in Jew and gentile therefore what is said to a believing Jew is for everyone who believes

it’s sort of glaring that when the subject is “ Christians need to do good and not evil and are accountable for thier works”

that so many Christian’s claiming to be. One again of Gods holy spirit have an issue with not doing evil and doing good and being accountable for it like the Bible clearly says “


The holt spirit is always going to be telling us to not do evil and to do good continually always and forever God will rebuke sin and accept righteousness but everyone will find out for themselves one day that’s a guarantee it’s better to hear and believe now and repent

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Faith + works= voided faith.
Works are the product of faith, bit a thing to do to earn anything.

 

[TMS]

a no matter how me one tries to omit the truth about repentance and righteousness this now still always going to be true and this is why works matter

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Our faith will be judged.
All righteousness is fulfilled by Jesus and we are given this by faith.

But faith without works is dead.
So God will judge our faith.
Was it dead or sincere faith?

 

[TMS]

Faith + works= voided faith.
Works are the product of faith, bit a thing to do to earn anything.

Jesus is our righteousness and our works do not make us worthy for heaven. Jesus gives (free gift) us His righteousness.

Why do some people that believe in Jesus and believe in the plan of salvation not make it to Heaven?

Dead faith....
Their works show that they didn't have a saving faith.

 

[Cameron143]

If by works of the law no flesh will be justified then we better never put our faith in works. But if we are making our calling sure we will definitely want to find some works.
Which to me always leads to a question: what are the works that evidence for us true faith?

 

[John146]

are isrselites any different than a gentile ?
“For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Are they goinf to be judged any differently ?

“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Whether James was talking to an Israelite or gentile makes absolutely no difference. God spoke to all in the gospel. The exact same doctrine for all nations

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:28‬ ‭

Your still looking at it like no one’s been born again trying to make a distinction between Jew and gentile israel
And the nations there isn’t any difference everyone failed and sinned Jew and gentile God doesn’t teach Jews one thing and gentiles another

“Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


It’s always going to be an erroneous thought that there is a distinction between flesh whe the jew or gentile or that there’s a different doctrine for anyone other than this

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬


That’s who James is talking to anyone who is of faith that’s what he’s talking about genuine faith d the difference is saying I believe , and ac try ally believing and following that belief

a no matter how me one tries to omit the truth about repentance and righteousness this now still always going to be true and this is why works matter

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;

and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there isn’t a difference in Jew and gentile therefore what is said to a believing Jew is for everyone who believes

it’s sort of glaring that when the subject is “ Christians need to do good and not evil and are accountable for thier works”

that so many Christian’s claiming to be. One again of Gods holy spirit have an issue with not doing evil and doing good and being accountable for it like the Bible clearly says “


The holt spirit is always going to be telling us to not do evil and to do good continually always and forever God will rebuke sin and accept righteousness but everyone will find out for themselves one day that’s a guarantee it’s better to hear and believe now and repent

Exactly! There is no Jew or gentile in the body of Christ, therefore, the twelve tribes could not be the body of Christ.

 

[John146]

are isrselites any different than a gentile ?
“For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Are they goinf to be judged any differently ?

“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Whether James was talking to an Israelite or gentile makes absolutely no difference. God spoke to all in the gospel. The exact same doctrine for all nations

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:28‬ ‭

Your still looking at it like no one’s been born again trying to make a distinction between Jew and gentile israel
And the nations there isn’t any difference everyone failed and sinned Jew and gentile God doesn’t teach Jews one thing and gentiles another

“Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; and have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


It’s always going to be an erroneous thought that there is a distinction between flesh whe the jew or gentile or that there’s a different doctrine for anyone other than this

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬


That’s who James is talking to anyone who is of faith that’s what he’s talking about genuine faith d the difference is saying I believe , and ac try ally believing and following that belief

a no matter how me one tries to omit the truth about repentance and righteousness this now still always going to be true and this is why works matter

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;

and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there isn’t a difference in Jew and gentile therefore what is said to a believing Jew is for everyone who believes

it’s sort of glaring that when the subject is “ Christians need to do good and not evil and are accountable for thier works”

that so many Christian’s claiming to be. One again of Gods holy spirit have an issue with not doing evil and doing good and being accountable for it like the Bible clearly says “


The holt spirit is always going to be telling us to not do evil and to do good continually always and forever God will rebuke sin and accept righteousness but everyone will find out for themselves one day that’s a guarantee it’s better to hear and believe now and repent

Christians will be held accountable for their works done in the body at the JSOC, but we are not justified by our works, but the work of Jesus Christ.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Jesus is our righteousness and our works do not make us worthy for heaven. Jesus gives (free gift) us His righteousness.

Why do some people that believe in Jesus and believe in the plan of salvation not make it to Heaven?

Dead faith....
Their works show that they didn't have a saving faith.

Your getting the cart in front of the horse. Faith like a tree produces fruit. The fruit or lack there of reveals the quality of the tree.
Nailing fruit to a tree only ruins fruit and kills the tree. Nurturing a tree causes it to produce fruit.

 

[Grandpa]

If by works of the law no flesh will be justified then we better never put our faith in works. But if we are making our calling sure we will definitely want to find some works.
Which to me always leads to a question: what are the works that evidence for us true faith?

You think that it is your works that will make your calling sure?

Wouldn't you want something a little more sure than that?

 

[Cameron143]

You think that it is your works that will make your calling sure?

Wouldn't you want something a little more sure than that?

I appreciate your concern for my well-being. And I already have an assurance of my salvation.
Sometimes questions have other purposes.

 

[TMS]

Which to me always leads to a question: what are the works that evidence for us true faith?

We are poluted and stained by sin so our works will always fail.
But through faith we can receive Jesus in our hearts and the works show that Jesus is in us.
Imparted righteousness is the what Jesus will give us by faith if we allow Him.
Many christians stop at the imputed righteousness.

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[Cameron143]

We are poluted and stained by sin so our works will always fail.
But through faith we can receive Jesus in our hearts and the works show that Jesus is in us.
Imparted righteousness is the what Jesus will give us by faith if we allow Him.
Many christians stop at the imputed righteousness.

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

I appreciate your response.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Faith + works= voided faith.
Works are the product of faith, bit a thing to do to earn anything.

“Works are the product of faith,”

right so then

“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works:

shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:17-18‬ ‭

without works faith is proven void and fruitless and becomes an empty word

Abraham was faithful to God obedience is always the proof of faith and always leads to good works and away from evil works

James is plainly making a point about faith genuine saving faith and empty lip service faith

faith comes from things like this faithful saying and what it says about good works

“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christian’s that believe in Jesus shoild
Be careful to Maintain good works that’s a faithful saying from the apostle Paul.

and we should also
Believe at Paul says if we keep doing these works

“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:3-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

christians should become aware of what they are doing every day whether we’re living life approved of God or still serving the devils Will

Gods works are always good works doing good to other people , the devils works are always evil doing harm to mothers lying tomthem chrstomg them stealing from them ect

awe are going to be judged by what we choose to do how we choose to live by our deeds faith that doesn’t lead us to do good works is void and isnt faith at all if we serve satans Will ( sin ) we’re not acting in faith at all our deeds are what tells the truth and what we will
Be held to account for

“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬

a that’s why Paul teaches so much about repenting from sin and doing good works rather than evil it’s why he said “ when you believe in god be careful to
Maintain good works “

sits because we have to answer for what we do and say there are rewards for the good and curses for the evil

 

[TMS]

Your getting the cart in front of the horse. Faith like a tree produces fruit. The fruit or lack there of reveals the quality of the tree.
Nailing fruit to a tree only ruins fruit and kills the tree. Nurturing a tree causes it to produce fruit.

I agree. We can't produce fruit.
Only Jesus in us can.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

what are the works that evidence for us true faith?

Today, Under God's Grace, it is:

"resting in the Finished Work Of Christ!" Those "not resting" but "working for
salvation" (Not "true faith") will have to "PAY the DEBT they OWE"
(Rom 4:5 ←Review Carefully...)

Grace, Peace, And JOY In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II).

 

[Cameron143]

Today, Under God's Grace, it is:

"resting in the Finished Work Of Christ!" Those "not resting" but "working for
salvation" (Not "true faith") will have to "PAY the DEBT they OWE"
(Rom 4:5 ←Review Carefully...)

Grace, Peace, And JOY In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II).

Sure. But how will you know if your calling and election is sure?

 

[Grandpa]

I appreciate your concern for my well-being. And I already have an assurance of my salvation.
Sometimes questions have other purposes.

So what were your works that were evidence of your true faith?