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Lanolin

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candle -lamp is kinda the same difference the meaning being its a light. whether we think of it now as an electric light or open flame doesnt really affect the meaning

I think some translations quibble over wineskins or bottles. But just because today we have plastic bottles doesnt mean they didnt use wineskins as bottles back in the day.

if people wanna modernise the Bible to make it familiar with today they can, but got to remember that the bible was written over thousands of years and culture didnt have the same words obvious,y to describe things as we do now, So people cant realisitically expect that Jesus had a cellphone for example when he called his disciples.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Not surprising that JW's use Westcott & Hort as they did not believe that Jesus is God.
Here is a breakdown of how this type of accusation against a brother is manufactured.
It is a work of deception.

False claim: "Hort taught that Revelation 3:15 proclaimed Christ was the first thing created, agreeing with the Gnostic teaching that Christ was a begotten god. [F. J. A. Hort, The Apocalypse of St. John 1-3: The Greek Text with Introduction, Commentary, and Additional Notes (1908; reprint, Minneapolis: James and Klock Publishing, 1976), 36.]" (Crowned With Glory, by Dr. Thomas Holland, chapter 2)

This claim by Dr. Holland is a vain and libelous attempt to portray Hort as an Arian. Hort had "deeply-rooted agreement" with official Anglican views, "above all, Creeds" (Life and Letters of Hort, volume 1, p.400). The Creeds which were written to combat heresies such as Arianism (e.g. the Nicene creed says "We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one being with the Father.", the Athanasian creed says "the deity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, equal in glory and coeternal in majesty", "the Son uncreated", "the Son eternal", "The Son is neither made nor created", etc.). It is inconceivable that Hort could believe that Christ was the first thing created, while at the same time believing the three most-accepted Creeds (Apostles', Nicene, Athanasian). But nevertheless, what does Hort actually say on page 36, regarding "the beginning of the creation" (in Rev 3:14-15)? Here it is (bold added):

" n apx. t. ktis. Prov. viii. 22, [(Prov 8:22 in Greek and Heb)] The words do not define the precise sense. On apxn, as a term cf. Col. i. 18, and for the probable idea Col. i. 16. The words might no doubt bear the Arian meaning "the first thing created": but they equally well bear the sense which the other Christological language of the book suggests, the being antecedent to all creation, in whom all creation came and comes to pass. Christ's last testimony and His earliest function seem purposely combined."​
Hort did NOT "proclaim Christ was the first thing created", as Holland claimed. He simply recognized that the precise Greek words of this particular verse (n apxh thc kticwec), on their own, from a grammatical perspective could mean "the first thing created" - but they could also just as easily mean the source of creation, which is the meaning we accept because it is the meaning the rest of Revelation and the Bible (such as Col 1:16-18, which Hort mentions) and even the Creeds (with which Hort had "deeply-rooted agreement") compel us to accept.
 

oyster67

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I just spend time researching the version until I can determine if it is good or not. I also frequently use a kjv concordance to see how verses are interpreted. In language translation it sometimes is not clear how a message should be interpreted because of nuances. What do you do?
Context and related passages if Spirit didn't already reveal it, but I seldom look at anything other than KJV anyway.
 

John146

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I found this when googling the question:

Answer: Luke 10 is the only place where we find the account of Jesus sending a specific 70 (or 72) disciples to prepare the way before Him. The discrepancies in the number (70 or 72) come from differences found in approximately half of the ancient scrolls used in translation. The texts are nearly evenly divided between the numbers, and scholars do not agree on whether the number should be 70 or 72, although such a minor issue is no cause for debate. Since the number 70 is repeated other places in Scripture (Exodus 24:1; Numbers 11:16; Jeremiah 29:10), it may be more likely that the actual number of disciples was 70, with the 2 being a copyist’s error. Whether there were 70 or 72 disciples sent out by Jesus is irrelevant. What is important are the instructions Jesus gave them and the power that came upon them to perform miracles and cast out demons (Luke 10:17).

If the KJV scholars determined that 70 was more likely then go with that if you like. It is not a big deal to me. Just like when the KJV scholars determined that candlestick would be a good word for lampstand in Rev 1 even though candlesticks were not used in the first century. In that case the NASB is better. Lampstand (oil fed lamps) was what John saw not wax candlesticks. Do I not read the KJV because of this? I understand that lampstand is a better word but I don't reject the KJV over this. You have to take each issue on a case by case basis. In this case maybe 70 is a better choice.

It is not necessary to reason that you cannot know what the Bible really says if you have to compare English translations. That is a leap of logic that is based on some kind of immature emotional reaction.

Don't be scared. God has preserved His Word. You will not backslide if you become open to careful analysis of Greek manuscripts.

Translating from the original languages in the manuscripts to English will occasionally require textual criticism based on analysis of all the manuscripts. The KJV scholars did this often. Having older manuscripts discovered after 1600s would require a fresh approach bringing those manuscripts into the analysis. Why reject that? Why be stubborn in a view that the older manuscripts discovered after 1600 are not to be considered? Don't be scared. God has preserved His Word. You will not backslide if you become open to careful analysis of Greek manuscripts.
Thanks, but I have every pure and holy word I need in the KJV. No need to greekify anything.
 

John146

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Yes, circular reasoning. I'd suggest that you read up on it.
Which one contains the truth of how many Jesus appointed and sent out? There is truth to be known. A false witness cannot be trusted.
 

BenjaminN

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Thanks, but I have every pure and holy word I need in the KJV. No need to greekify anything.
Every word, even the odd one "little horn" magical creature word "unicorn" - like those magical creatures found on zionism's ( http://bit.ly/Christianzionism ) Rothchild, and the king's (not the King's) monarchic emblem? British Israelism's Zionism's manmade political nation state, with the non-Judaist tribes of Ephraim missing and a Judaist false messiah, anti-messiah, anti-christ, preceding the real Davidic King Christ Yeshua's Millennial Kingdom (as prophesied in Ezekiel 37 through Ezekiel 48, to be fulfilled as prophesied in Revelation 20:4-8) to be established on earth (with all of ancient northern Ephraim and ancient southern Judah's tribes gathered), following the resurrection of those who died in Christ Yeshua, meeting Him in the clouds at our rapture with those in Christ Yeshua (Christian Ephraim Gentile and Judah Jew Israelites and non-Israelites Gentiles) still alive, immediately after the great tribulation. (Note: NKJV dropped the use of "unicorn" as used in KJV, in favour of a more natural God created beast, the "wild ox".)

1 Thessalonians 4 (New King James Version)

The Comfort of Christ’s Coming
13But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who [c]sleep in Jesus.
15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Revelation 20 (New King James Version)

The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years
4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Acts 1 (New King James Version)

6Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be [c]witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Matthew 24 (New King James Version)

14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
The Great Tribulation
20And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [c]elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
23“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25See, I have told you beforehand.
The Coming of the Son of Man
29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Ezekiel 37 (New King James Version)

14I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’ ” 19say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will join them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand.” ’ 25Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever. 26Moreover I will [c]make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore.

Daniel 8 (New King James Version)

8Therefore the male goat grew very great; but when he became strong, the large horn was broken, and in place of it four notable ones came up toward the four winds of heaven. 9And out of one of them came a little horn which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the Glorious Land. 10And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them. 11He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of [f]His sanctuary was cast down. 12Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered.
13Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, “How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression [g]of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?”
14And he said to me, “For two thousand three hundred [h]days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed.”
 

Dino246

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Which one contains the truth of how many Jesus appointed and sent out? There is truth to be known. A false witness cannot be trusted.
Yawn. I’m sure the queue of people sent to the lake of fire over this is almost as long as your list of good arguments.
 

John146

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Yawn. I’m sure the queue of people sent to the lake of fire over this is almost as long as your list of good arguments.
Ah, the ”not that important“ argument. Good one.
 
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Fallacy: burden of proof reversal. It's not my responsibility to hunt down the evidence you claim is out there; you provide the link. Until you do, I will ignore your assertion as baseless.
As You Please!
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Thanks, but I have every pure and holy word I need in the KJV. No need to greekify anything.
Grecified [gress-ified] is the word you are looking for. As in- Jesus the anglicised version of the the grecified form of יֵשׁוּעַ (Yeshua).
You know this and you don't mind calling The King by his grecified name do you?
God chose to use the Greeks in their time for his purpose.

Both the OT & NT were unified in Koine Greek. Both covenants combined in one vernacular. The simple Greek of everyday life, not in the Latin of Roman courts or the classical Greek of the academies. It was God who provided this Greek bread for us.
He can't be rigidly constrained into one language format. God The Holy Spirit has seen his word through to us in modern English & a host of other languages. It's perfectly alright for you to read only the KJV, just please stop raging against his word in other forms.
 

fredoheaven

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Bible Contradiction. Any thoughts how to handle it as found below. Thanks

Romans 16:1
New International Version
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.


New Living Translation
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a deacon in the church in Cenchrea.

1 Timothy 3;12
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New International Version

A deacon must be faithful to his wife and must manage his children and his household well.

New Living Translation
A deacon must be faithful to his wife, and he must manage his children and household well.
 

oyster67

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Bible Contradiction. Any thoughts how to handle it as found below. Thanks

Romans 16:1
New International Version
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae.


New Living Translation
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a deacon in the church in Cenchrea.

1 Timothy 3;12
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New International Version

A deacon must be faithful to his wife and must manage his children and his household well.

New Living Translation
A deacon must be faithful to his wife, and he must manage his children and household well.
Sister Phoebe obviously had a Reverse-Jenner done to himself somewhere along the way.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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There was little to no chance a female deacon would have had multiple spouses.
But very common practice for men in that time (as it is in some cultures to this day) to have several wives.
Paul was trying to prevent polygamy becoming common practice in the church as it was in the world.
 

oyster67

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There was little to no chance a female deacon would have had multiple spouses.
But very common practice for men in that time (as it is in some cultures to this day) to have several wives.
Paul was trying to prevent polygamy becoming common practice in the church as it was in the world.
Sister Phoebe had one wife,

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