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No body able to take away God sovereignty, God sovereignty is to love people and to give people freedom to believe or not.
America is sovereign country, and freedom of speech out of it sovereignty.
God want ant every body save, but up to every body whether they chose to believe or not
The invitation is for every body, but the forgiveness and salvation is only for those who believe
the fact that God punish, prove that God is love.
God is law maker, one day a man ask Jesus , teacher what is the great law
matt 22
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
and Jesus answered: love the lord and your fellow man, those 2 law are base of all law.
base of this declaration, I believe what ever He did ic because of love. Why God punish killer?, it prove God love the community, God do not want human kill each other, because of love. So God punish to stop killing so community experience happy live.
yep one tell me and I believe it is God teaching, if I do not believe that is God teaching, I do not cite it
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joefizz
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To put more simply it's not simply for anyone who just believes in Jesus,everlasting life is for those who believe upon him,as in they know Jesus exists and they Trust him,and accept him meaning they will serve him,with him being their master,because anyone can merely believe in Jesus the person but it is much more a tough time believing in the only begotten son of God,quite a difference,because it's not about simply believing in the name of Jesus,it's about knowing in your heart that Jesus is real,has done all that the bible said he did,and that through him one can be saved,that kind of "Belief" is not something everyone can establish,because it requires faith in the unseen living Christ Jesus,all that he has done,and a hope of greater blessing than that of earth,Everlasting life and joining our lord someday,that is the kind of faith spoken of in John 3:16,believing all that is written in that verse,not just the promise of everlasting life but through whom that is possible,and why God sent him,also John 3:17 further clarifies telling of that through Jesus the world(people) might be saved(through belief in Jesus's sacrifice,actions and promises.
Many a person has taken John 3:16 out of context not reading the "whole chapter" thinking things like "well I believe in Jesus I'm saved" but the verse without the rest of the chapter,is not intended to be used alone for an answer for salvation,many take it to there head thinking that they can "believe in Jesus" and do whatever abominable or sinful thing they want,that's why we can't say that everyone is saved because it's not true,for if the verse by itself were the whole truth about salvation then all would be saved if it were so simple to just believe in Jesus.
Yep, believe in this context mean obey His command, believe all information from Jesus, Believe that Jesus is not a liar.
Jesus inform us : matt 25
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
if you want to go to heaven and you believe the information above, than you will do thereby, you will love and help the needy, as an evident that you believe Jesus.
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joefizz
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1. I'm not reformed, but anyone can post on any thread... lets not forget that.
2. Although I'm not reformed, I want to support Depleted in her proposition... she's right about this.
In the centuries-old Arminian/Calvinist debate, both sides usually resort to creating straw men for the other side.
If we'd stop that for more than 5 seconds, maybe both sides could appreciate, at the very least, the INTENTION of the other side.
Alright, I'm done, you can all go back to fighting now.
: )
Many called...few chosen. Allow that to soak in a few days before saying John 3:16, force and free will.
Here's the whole parable:
Matt 22:
2) The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
3) And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4) Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5) But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6) And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7) But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8) Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9) Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10) So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11) And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12) And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13) Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14) For many are called, but few are chosen.
God chooses those who first choose Him.
Again, God wants all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4), He is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance (2 Pet 3:9). He wants the wicked to turn from their evil ways so they might live (Eze 33:11).
The Calvinist belief that God determines who He will save is not true. The invitation is to ALL.
God chose people that wear wedding dress. Mean God chose whosoever believe.
And that is EXACTLY what Calvinism avers. Glad you're finally coming around to this truth.
I have never stated anything to the contrary. We just disagree on how ppl come to believe.