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You don't want to believe James 5:19-21, and the Parable of the Prodigal Son as they are written plainly. The Parable of the sower, Hebrews 10:26, 38-39, and Romans 11:21-22 also refute your line of thinking, as well.
No, Paul meant what he said plainly. He means we are not to continue in sin. He says you are a servant to whom you obey. Meaning, if a person serves sin, they are not God's servant.
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DesiredHaven
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Maybe, but I really need to repent of this...
This is good instruction
Prov 14:7 Go from the presence of a foolish man,
when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.
I gotta work on denying that little girl side of myself
I do not see Ja 5:19-20; Heb 10:26, 38-39 as contradicting 1Jn 2:19.
And there is more than one way to Biblically interpret the parable of the prodigal son.
I find much in the NT regarding rebirth, new birth, born again, but I find nothing regarding unbirthing.
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DesiredHaven
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The Bible says that the gifts and calling of God are without repentance,which is on God's part.Once God calls you and you are saved God will not turn away from you even if you go back to the world,but will embrace you with open arms like the prodigal son which is what that message is about.
If you dabble in the world for a while you can come back and God will accept you.
If you dabble in the world for a while you can come back and God will accept you.
Well, there are a ton of passages you actually have to ignore or twist in order to make your belief work. But okay. Let's take a simple one that is not so easy to twist. Jesus said if you do not forgive, then the Father will not forgive you. So how exactly do you interpret or twist those particular words by Jesus?
and instead of "unbirthing" which i don't think is a word,
look up "have your name erased from the book of life" ..... just simply.... not with all the accoutrements ...
(as there is a lot for scholars to mess up about it... that little children just simply believe and trust him and rely on himj)
look up "have your name erased from the book of life" ..... just simply.... not with all the accoutrements ...
(as there is a lot for scholars to mess up about it... that little children just simply believe and trust him and rely on himj)
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DesiredHaven
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Shows the gifts and callings here...
Thou hast ascended on high,
thou hast led captivity captive:
thou hast received gifts for men;
yea, for the rebellious also,
that the LORD God might
dwell among them. (Psalm 68:18)
In respects to the gifts and calling of God it says,
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. (Romans 11:29)
And because he is good and upright, he will teach sinners
Good and upright is the LORD:
therefore will he teach sinners in the way. (Psalm 25:8)
Although not being a minister of sin, His goodness, forbearance and especially his longsuffering come in here
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; (Romans 2:4a)
Not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
He is still leading us to repentence by the same, and we are to account his longsuffering as this (even salvation)
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;
even as our beloved brother Paul also
according to the wisdom given unto him
hath written unto you; (2 Peter 3:15)
He is longsuffering "us-ward" it says,
not willing that any should perish but rather that all (including ourselves)
should come to repentence (that is still the directed course)
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness;
but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish,
but that all should come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:9)
Even as the longsuffering of God is noted as that which waited in the very days of Noah (1 Peter 3:20)
out of which time we are told few (eight in all) were actually saved.
Thou hast ascended on high,
thou hast led captivity captive:
thou hast received gifts for men;
yea, for the rebellious also,
that the LORD God might
dwell among them. (Psalm 68:18)
In respects to the gifts and calling of God it says,
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. (Romans 11:29)
And because he is good and upright, he will teach sinners
Good and upright is the LORD:
therefore will he teach sinners in the way. (Psalm 25:8)
Although not being a minister of sin, His goodness, forbearance and especially his longsuffering come in here
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; (Romans 2:4a)
Not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
He is still leading us to repentence by the same, and we are to account his longsuffering as this (even salvation)
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;
even as our beloved brother Paul also
according to the wisdom given unto him
hath written unto you; (2 Peter 3:15)
He is longsuffering "us-ward" it says,
not willing that any should perish but rather that all (including ourselves)
should come to repentence (that is still the directed course)
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness;
but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish,
but that all should come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:9)
Even as the longsuffering of God is noted as that which waited in the very days of Noah (1 Peter 3:20)
out of which time we are told few (eight in all) were actually saved.
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atwhatcost
Guest
The difference between you and Paul is Paul knew where his ability came from. That IS the point! You're assuming you are your salvation, sanctification and glorification.
And I see no contradictions among them.
An unforgiving heart betrays a heart that has not been forgiven, which is salvation (Lk 1:77).
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DesiredHaven
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Thats why I didnt get what you were saying,
They didnt do that with Jesus, and MarcR is nothing like those who love to be called Rabbi though
Although Paul was a Jew and a monster in his religion and then become circumcised in the heart by Jesus Christ
Unless you meant a Jew inwardly
No twist is necessary!
The basic premise is that Jesus died to purchase not only my forgiveness but the forgiveness of all mankind.
If I value what Jesus did for me so little that I am unwilling to forgive ANYONE Jesus died to save; then my supposed belief doesn't measure up to God's standard: and is not saving faith.
The expectation of forgiveness from us is about evidence of salvation not about loss of salvation.
And that is the key to the whole thing is for one to CONTINUE to trust,rely and LOVE HIM. Our problem is far too often we ask the WRONG question,the real question God is asking is this,"Do you LOVE ME?" God will not force anyone to love Him in return. It's the VERY SAME question Jesus asked Peter,EVEN AFTER he had denied Him three times. And everything that He asks us to do is to COME FROM A HEART of love that HE HAS CHANGED and to remain in that LOVE.
I meant any rabbi who was truly a man of God, then and now.
There were some then.
The Pharisees were not.
In synagogue, Jewish people usually read from the Torah and the Prophets on Sabbath and discuss meaning and life application on Sunday morning.
In the course of discussing the scripture, we learn how to avoid becoming vested in our arguments. In other words we learn not to take disagreement with our position personally.
We learn how to attack ideas vigorously without attacking the people they come from.
this changes a Jewish person's entire approach to argument. It is never about winning or losing it is about seeking truth. It is better to learn that your thinking is faulty than to continue to think you are right when you are wrong.
Most of us would rather be corrected than wrong!
How many people say false convert! While our Father is waiting on a prodigal son to lavish His on them, that same love another refuses to show to another.