Free will verses permissive will

[StanDupp]

so the faith the demon wouldn't obey was the lords faith ?

The Lord's faith operating in men who were just then learning how to walk in faith.

As we grow our faith should become stronger and stronger to where the devil leaves

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

 

[Jordon]

The Lord's faith operating in men who were just then learning how to walk in faith.

As we grow our faith should become stronger and stronger to where the devil leaves

James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Yep but he never fled from the boy,
Jesus said you do not have the faith of my mustard seed

He told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. 32 Though it is the smallest of all seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds come and perch in its branches.”

Faith the internal faith is a gift Comes from God

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

The faith there for they where expressing that could not cast out the demons was an expression of the lord faith


Internal faith bares much fruits. This is when you say you can resist the devil and he will flee

This is the mustard seed that once planted bares much fruit

Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit

Point of reference is none of them has been filed with the holy spirit yet

All tho it was a done deal for most of them they would be filled with holy spirit later on, Judas a chosen disciple was more than likely never, he sold his soul for bag of coins to the devil.

I mean he could have been forgiven but he certainly hadn't received the holy spirit like the rest of his disciples yet.

 

[StanDupp]

Yep but he never fled from the boy,

Sure he did because Jesus cast him out after his staff couldn't

Matthew 17:18
And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

Jesus told His staff they couldn't cast out the devil because of their UNBELIEF which is choosing not to believe

They had faith, but failed to use it and Jesus corrected them for their failure.


Matthew 17:19-21
Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

Jesus was always prayed up and fasted often so He had no problem casting the devil out of the boy.

That's another aspect of this situation is verse 21 - "this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting"

 

[Jordon]

Sure he did because Jesus cast him out after his staff couldn't

Matthew 17:18
And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

Jesus told His staff they couldn't cast out the devil because of their UNBELIEF which is choosing not to believe

They had faith, but failed to use it and Jesus corrected them for their failure.


Matthew 17:19-21
Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

Jesus was always prayed up and fasted often so He had no problem casting the devil out of the boy.

That's another aspect of this situation is verse 21 - "this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting"

back to to being silly again I see, it's clear the demon never fled from the boy by the disciples faith.

To furthermore highlight your inability to acknowledge, you point blank said you can make the devil with the faith you have.

Tell me who's faith is that ?

 

[pinebeach]

well it could have been the same as devils will.

But I can't see that it was the active will of the devil inside of him.

The active will of the power of death was in him

The reason why I don't see it was the active will of the devil inside of him.

In my book there is absolutely no way God would say to the devil you can rule over sin

Most people would know what you mean by the expression 'in my book' . It's a common expression. There are certain people in this world who can only feel good if they put others down.

 

[StanDupp]

back to to being silly again I see

No, I don't think the Word of the Lord is "silly"

To furthermore highlight your inability to acknowledge, you point blank said you can make the devil with the faith you have.

Tell me who's faith is that ?

Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

I'm In Christ, so I don't have any "inability" - Philippians 4:13

There are certain people in this world who can only feel good if they put others down.

Asking if someone wrote a book is putting them down?

What do you have against people that write books?

 

[pinebeach]

Asking if someone wrote a book is putting them down?

What do you have against people that write books?

Oh. Are you one of the few who are ignorant of that common expression? So sorry. Maybe get out more

 

[StanDupp]

Oh. Are you one of the few who are ignorant of that common expression?

Do you always say things you don't mean?

 

[pinebeach]

Do you always say things you don't mean?

Let God be the judge of that Stan.

 

[StanDupp]

Let God be the judge of that Stan.

Well you did say "in my book" leading others to think you wrote a book on the topic of discussion.

Maybe next time say in my opinion or something that is connected with reality

 

[pinebeach]

Well you did say "in my book" leading others to think you wrote a book on the topic of discussion.

Maybe next time say in my opinion or something that is connected with reality

I'm not the person who said that. It was Jordan. I commented on the fact he used a common expression and you took it as an opportunity to be a smart .... animal of whose nature I am sure you are familiar.

 

[StanDupp]

I'm not the person who said that. It was Jordan. I commented on the fact he used a common expression and you took it as an opportunity to be a smart .... animal of whose nature I am sure you are familiar.

Well maybe you should hang out with people who say things they don't mean, you know the donkeys

 

[Jordon]

Most people would know what you mean by the expression 'in my book' . It's a common expression. There are certain people in this world who can only feel good if they put others down.

well he was told 3 times what it meant and as you can see that he's unwilling to accept, a very basic saying and proceeds to make a huge deal out if it, so therefore what chances is there of him answering the simple question is it the lords faith that cast out demons or is the disciples, well he's had 3 chances to answer that to


Neither Will he accept Cain sinned by his own will.

Then he tells us people will create bad doctrines,

I don't know about you but err im through talking to him to be honest.

It's so easy to accept really .

 

[Dino246]

They are wicked because they reject the Lord, and as such they are being influenced by the devil daily to continually reject the Lord.

In 2 Corinthians 4:4 the Word of the Lord tells us the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

This Truth applies to Cain as he rejected the Lord not being in faith which lead to his own blindness and apparently some have issues believing the devil works to continually keep people from turning to the Lord as we see taught in 2 Corinthians 4:4

Ya gotta get in toe the New Testament to get enough revelation to understand some of what went on in the old testament.

You have apparently missed the following:

“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭17‬:‭9‬, KJV

Humans are inherently in rebellion against God. Are they blinded? Yes, but that does not mean every human is under his continuous evil influence. The devil is not omnipresent.

 

[Dino246]

Well maybe you should hang out with people who say things they don't mean, you know the donkeys

Fallacy: guilt by association.

 

[pinebeach]

well he was told 3 times what it meant and as you can see that he's unwilling to accept, a very basic saying and proceeds to make a huge deal out if it,

He knew what you meant from the get go. Not worth the time of day

 

[pinebeach]

Fallacy: guilt by association.

He's very busy braying on a few threads. I'm not even the one who said what seems to have him clutching his pearls.

 

[StanDupp]

Neither Will he accept Cain sinned by his own will.

Cain did sin of his own free will after he spent all that time listening to the devil telling him how bad Able was

The old devil played him and tricked him in to using his free will to commit murder just like the devil played Adam and Eve into using their free will to disobey the Lord and do exactly what the Lord told them to not do.

It's so easy to accept really

Then hop to it home boy!

“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭17‬:‭9‬, KJV

I got born again and became a New Creature in Christ Jesus so that no longer applies to me now that I'm born again.

You really should look in to getting born again. It's great!

The devil is not omnipresent.

He's definitely tricked you in to not knowing anything about being born again though.

That's too bad for you man. I feel sorry for you... well, not really because you've had opportunity to know about it but apparently it never stuck

Fallacy: guilt by association.

Then quit hanging out with the donkeys

I'm not even the one who said what seems to have him clutching his pearls.

I'm not in to cross dressing so we'll let you enjoy that sort of thing on your own!

 

[Dino246]

Cain did sin of his own free will after he spent all that time listening to the devil telling him how bad Able was

The old devil played him and tricked him in to using his free will to commit murder just like the devil played Adam and Eve into using their free will to disobey the Lord and do exactly what the Lord told them to not do.

Then hop to it home boy!

I got born again and became a New Creature in Christ Jesus so that no longer applies to me now that I'm born again.

You really should look in to getting born again. It's great!

He's definitely tricked you in to not knowing anything about being born again though.

That's too bad for you man. I feel sorry for you... well, not really because you've had opportunity to know about it but apparently it never stuck

Then quit hanging out with the donkeys

I'm not in to cross dressing so we'll let you enjoy that sort of thing on your own!

Well, you have amply demon-strated the kind of person you are.

 

[Jordon]

Hey again folks ..

I thought I would chase some rabbits.

Well hares actually its not permissive me to chase bunny's. Only only use to chase bunny's in my teenage years .

I wonder would freedom of thought be a better choice for free will. Cuz you know when it's comes to imagination we can imagine all sorts of things and wonder on and on.

Quite often I use to take the first plan of action which often failed I would find myself planning Jobs for weeks on end before I got the Job down.

I wonder is it best to just go with trial on error.