Gay couple to sue church over gay marriage opt-out

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

Its a thread about gay issues...did ya expect to talk about knitting?

lol, nah, I was just mentioning how there's a lot going on with it in general, I don't see any point in being gay either, just think, if the whole world turned gay, that would be the end of humanity as we know it, unless of course they start cloning or something rather odd.

 

[ThriftShopPop]

lol, nah, I was just mentioning how there's a lot going on with it in general, I don't see any point in being gay either, just think, if the whole world turned gay, that would be the end of humanity as we know it, unless of course they start cloning or something rather odd.

Well I guess if there was the end of the human race, then there would be no starving children...or in foster homes...or being abused...or living in poverty. Or unwanted for that matter. Homosexual couples can adopt, be a loving family...The unloving parent or parents, vs a loving people who are willing to bring kids out of their current and dire living situation.

So lets put a end to suffering and all be gay. Christians aren't stepping up to the plate...which in any arena is "far better" than any "homosexual, evil, demoralizing, unnatural" stepping up. Lets keep going to church, not acting anything out and condemn those "different" than us.

The logic...

 

[SonInMe]

Well I guess if there was the end of the human race, then there would be no starving children...or in foster homes...or being abused...or living in poverty. Or unwanted for that matter. Homosexual couples can adopt, be a loving family...The unloving parent or parents, vs a loving people who are willing to bring kids out of their current and dire living situation.

So lets put a end to suffering and all be gay. Christians aren't stepping up to the plate...which in any arena is "far better" than any "homosexual, evil, demoralizing, unnatural" stepping up. Lets keep going to church, not acting anything out and condemn those "different" than us.

The logic...

I believe the bible, it says in the first few verses of 1 Corinthians 13 that love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. There is no love in sin.

There is no love in homosexual unions. Gay adoption should not be law. Neither should single people be allowed to adopt...or people living together.

There are deeper reasons why these agendas are being pushed....its the destruction of the family, man, woman, committed to each other raising children.

The vilification of the stay at home mom by feminists...destruction of the family.

Abortion...murdering babies...destruction of the family.

The promotion of single parenthood and the portraying of men as evil idiotic entities who are stupid, aggressive and adulterous...destruction of the family.

Gay agendas that disurpt how God created the differences in gender so all aspects to raise children are present in a committed marriage....destruction of the family.

Why this attack on family? Its the foundation of a healthy society and with committed parents, in the best scenario under God, raising children in love, satan has fewer footholds in this world.

There are only two masters. You serve one...or the other.

 

[blueorchidjd]

I love ya'll but we have to think of it like this: What is more important or sovereign the law of God or the law of man? From a distance there could be many arguments to support that gay marriage should be constitutional, but we have to think of the law (which is God's law) of what is everlasting standing and what will not perish. If we say that we believe in the bible and are partial to the information in the bible and believing manly standards over Godly standards we are still taking advice from the world and not the word of God. Which is in fact doomed for destruction. We can say that it is unconstitutional for gays to be married but, what is sovereign? What will last, and what is everlasting? Will God bless these marriages? No.
[h=3]John 15:5[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.

 

[xXErraticEmilyXx]

Are they stupid? -_-

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

More false assertions from the ignorance and prejudice of ThriftShopPop. The primary reason for all those starving children, foster homes, abuse, poverty, etc... is due to people NOT following God and His plan for humanity.

If everyone DID, there would be almost no divorce, no foster homes, and no abuse. Most people would share so they wouldn't uber-wealthy but true destitute poverty would greatly diminish. Another reason for that would be a lack of corruption in the domains of politics and business.

Homosexuals aren't the answer to the world's problems, as you falsely assert, but rather they constitute a wildly radical left ungodly demographic working hard to add to them. Godly nuclear families following God, His Word, and His design for humanity always has been the answer, is the answer, and until His return will be the answer.

And genuine Christians are stepping up to the plate to adopt the children of reckless non-Christians but their hands are being tied due to a number of sweeping regulations implemented around the world making adoption much more expensive and prohibitive than it was just a couple of decades ago. Liberals implemented them. People like you. As a result, the adoption industry is on a steep decline after years of tightening regulations around the world.

But that's for sharing your nonsense, ignorance, and prejudice as if CC doesn't have enough of that already.

Well I guess if there was the end of the human race, then there would be no starving children...or in foster homes...or being abused...or living in poverty. Or unwanted for that matter. Homosexual couples can adopt, be a loving family...The unloving parent or parents, vs a loving people who are willing to bring kids out of their current and dire living situation.

So lets put a end to suffering and all be gay. Christians aren't stepping up to the plate...which in any arena is "far better" than any "homosexual, evil, demoralizing, unnatural" stepping up. Lets keep going to church, not acting anything out and condemn those "different" than us.

The logic...

 

[ThriftShopPop]

I believe the bible, it says in the first few verses of 1 Corinthians 13 that love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. There is no love in sin.

There is no love in homosexual unions. Gay adoption should not be law. Neither should single people be allowed to adopt...or people living together.

There are deeper reasons why these agendas are being pushed....its the destruction of the family, man, woman, committed to each other raising children.

The vilification of the stay at home mom by feminists...destruction of the family.

Abortion...murdering babies...destruction of the family.

The promotion of single parenthood and the portraying of men as evil idiotic entities who are stupid, aggressive and adulterous...destruction of the family.

Gay agendas that disurpt how God created the differences in gender so all aspects to raise children are present in a committed marriage....destruction of the family.

Why this attack on family? Its the foundation of a healthy society and with committed parents, in the best scenario under God, raising children in love, satan has fewer footholds in this world.

There are only two masters. You serve one...or the other.

1) I work, have my own apartment and car. Are you calling me a "destruction of family?" I absolutely wont live at home until I am married. This is not a option for me, and I am happy being independent.

2) promotion of single parenthood? who is promoting this? I specifically was talking about those who abuse kids. My really close friend is a single mom, she is fantastic raising her kids.

3) I said nothing about abortions....but hey, you brought it up...what are you doing to raise awareness to those who want to abort? are you showing love or judgment? compassion or hate?

4) again, if Christian (couples, adoption, ect) aren't stepping up to the plate to take care of unwanted kids and if a loving homosexual couple wants to do this, then have at it. Please, Love some kids.

5) Are you suggesting, perhaps, that single men or women who desire to be adoptive or foster parents simply cannot, since homosexual couples cannot as well?

 

[ThriftShopPop]

More false assertions from the ignorance and prejudice of ThriftShopPop. The primary reason for all those starving children, foster homes, abuse, poverty, etc... is due to people NOT following God and His plan for humanity.

If everyone DID, there would be almost no divorce, no foster homes, and no abuse. Most people would share so they wouldn't uber-wealthy but true destitute poverty would greatly diminish. Another reason for that would be a lack of corruption in the domains of politics and business.

Homosexuals aren't the answer to the world's problems, as you falsely assert, but rather they constitute a wildly radical left ungodly demographic working hard to add to them. Godly nuclear families following God, His Word, and His design for humanity always has been the answer, is the answer, and until His return will be the answer.

And genuine Christians are stepping up to the plate to adopt the children of reckless non-Christians but their hands are being tied due to a number of sweeping regulations implemented around the world making adoption much more expensive and prohibitive than it was just a couple of decades ago. Liberals implemented them. People like you. As a result, the adoption industry is on a steep decline after years of tightening regulations around the world.

But that's for sharing your nonsense, ignorance, and prejudice as if CC doesn't have enough of that already.

Where did I specifically say "homosexuals are the answer to the worlds problems?" I didn't. I am trying to clarify this; if you are not a part of the solution, then don't be judgmental on how to solve the problem. Homosexual couples can be apart of the solution, as with every loving, willing body...but not in whole, the answer.

In short, if you include that fact that many Christians send kids back due to "being problematic" or "too hard" a part of stepping up to the plate, this is a fallacy. This is a reason why Russia, and soon South Korea, are closing their overseas adoptions to America.

You sir, do not know me. I understand you are more of a "my way or I will insult you" based on many of your previous posts and this one. I do not insult your opinions or intelligence...and if I did, I guarantee you, I would be the one banned. I am surprised you aren't. When you insult others just to prove your point, the finger points right back at you.

Have a good day sir, I will not waist my time with you again.

 

[Toast]

Is that not what you did by saying gay people just want multiple partners? That sounds like bigotry.


Okay, the act of having gay sex is a sexual perversion the initial attraction is not when I can not control my attractions. As I have said here multiple times, when you gain the ability to control your every attraction, thought, and desire tell the rest of us. It will make our lives a lot easier to live. As for the morality issue of homosexuality, there are multiple cultures in which people are raised in. Then within those cultures the people themselves are individuals meaning everyone has different morals, although it is obvious that the morals of some will be the same as others. Your argument of homosexuality being immoral is invalid when it is based solely on your own opinions and interpretations. Because morality is based on personal experiences, opinions, and interpretations it is pointless to discuss the morality of some subjects.

If you would please refer to the quote below you will see where you indirectly called gay people perverts.

Now I don't know how that is not calling gay people perverts. You basically call anyone that is apart of the "homosexual agenda" a pervert. Although, the way I interpreted your statement you meant it only towards the homosexuals themselves. Basically you called me a pervert. If not for my being gay then at least for my support of equality. Now I personally have no plans of being married, but that does not mean that I think it fair to keep gay people from marrying. Now as I said in my first post I think it is wrong for a gay couple to want to force a church to marry them, but I do not think it is right that a gay couple should be denied the right to marriage by the government, especially in the US.



Riddle me this. What is a man who has only an attraction for other men?

Thank you! It's about time a gay person explained to a christian the whole "gay" thing. -_-

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I said genuine Christians, as in people deeply committed to following God no matter the cost. People like myself. We don't send problem children back. Once they are ours they are ours for life no matter the cost. I have several friends in exactly that adoption situation and believe me they are in it for life.

And that's the point. Following God, God's Word, and His plan for humanity is the answer. Homosexuals have rejected God's design for their own lives and humanity and are in rebellion to it. They malign God's Word to syncretize their sin with God's Word much like the Gnostics did in antiquity. They will find the same end.

If you are banned from this discussion, it would be for maligning God's Word to support your false assertion that homosexuality is God's design for humanity. This is a Christian forum not a homosexual one. We are not deceived as you are on this point.

And though you aren't mature enough to understand why, it's done out of love for God and love for humanity.

Where did I specifically say "homosexuals are the answer to the worlds problems?" I didn't. I am trying to clarify this; if you are not a part of the solution, then don't be judgmental on how to solve the problem. Homosexual couples can be apart of the solution, as with every loving, willing body...but not in whole, the answer.

In short, if you include that fact that many Christians send kids back due to "being problematic" or "too hard" a part of stepping up to the plate, this is a fallacy. This is a reason why Russia, and soon South Korea, are closing their overseas adoptions to America.

You sir, do not know me. I understand you are more of a "my way or I will insult you" based on many of your previous posts and this one. I do not insult your opinions or intelligence...and if I did, I guarantee you, I would be the one banned. I am surprised you aren't. When you insult others just to prove your point, the finger points right back at you.

Have a good day sir, I will not waist my time with you again.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You are agreeing with someone who has falsely asserted that engaging in homosexual acts is not immoral behavior. It is immoral behavior. So is adultery, bestiality, pedophilia, etc...

Immoral behavior isn't determined by your feelings. Can you guess what it is determined by?

Here's a hint: http://christianchat.com/christian-...-over-gay-marriage-opt-out-3.html#post1141466

Thank you! It's about time a gay person explained to a christian the whole "gay" thing. -_-

 

[Toast]

Well, there's some Christians out there who have these feelings and decide to remain celibate and never act on them as part of their devotion and commitment to Jesus.

There's also some Christians out there who have been studying the Bible extensively for 4 months and they actually opened their ears to what Jesus was telling them instead of every single relative in their family. And they found that God wishes for them to find love if they so desire.

Your opinions aren't the only ones here. I will accept you even through our differences and our opinions on something, for we are all one in Christ.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

A true and genuine orthodox exegesis of God's Word is the standard. Not your opinion.

Galatians 5:16-26 - But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh... Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions...

How can you walk by the Spirit of God and engage in gross sexual immorality with another person or persons?

I know plenty of single celibate Christian people that cannot find a suitable mate. They do not twist God's Word to justify fornication or homosexual acts with another person. What makes you think these godly people who chose not to engage in sexual immorality won't be present at the judgment of those who did and maligned God's Word to try and justify their sin?

Maligning God's Word to justify a life spent in pursuit of sexual immorality has serious (and if not repented from eternal) consequences. When people are willing to go to such lengths that they create heresy, deceive themselves, and deceive others simply to continue engaging in sexual immorality: eventually God gives them up to it.

Romans 1:24 - Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
James 1:22 - But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.

1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

What's funny to me is that everyone of these I've ever met insist they are "good" people. Not even Jesus called Himself "good" and He was perfect! The Bible says that sinners are righteous in their own eyes and Jesus said in John 9:41, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains."

A material number of early gentile pagan converts to Christianity (that joined Jewish believers) were ex-homosexuals. You're cutting God short to assert that He cannot change you from the inside out. I know a number of ex-homosexuals that are happily married today (to members of the opposite sex).

They chose righteousness and pursued God. They didn't malign His Word to justify their sin and end up fully deceived and given over to it by God.

Enter through the narrow gate for it leads to life.

Well, there's some Christians out there who have these feelings and decide to remain celibate and never act on them as part of their devotion and commitment to Jesus.

There's also some Christians out there who have been studying the Bible extensively for 4 months and they actually opened their ears to what Jesus was telling them instead of every single relative in their family. And they found that God wishes for them to find love if they so desire.

Your opinions aren't the only ones here. I will accept you even through our differences and our opinions on something, for we are all one in Christ.

 

[cavil51]

When did, what was written in the Bible, become an Opinion?

 

[Daniel94]

''So you're telling me you can control when you're attracted to a woman''

Absolutely...its called marriage. I can't say I never find another woman attractive but I have no interest in them. Its self control.

First off, let me apologize for my delayed response. I have been busy and unable to reply until today. Thanks for proving my point. You said you still may find another woman attractive meaning you can not control when you become attracted to someone else. What you can control is how you react to that attraction. The same is true for me except with the same gender. I can't control if I am attracted to another guy, but I can control my actions.

''How do two guys getting married or two woman affect your life?''

It effects us all by changing what a family is. God created two genders, not just for physical procreation, if so then both genders could act alike. They do not.

We're going to have to agree to disagree here.

In a family, where there are two committed people, male and female, everything is present to raise a child well. A father and his innate abilities and a mom with her's. Men and women are different so everything that is needed to create a healthy society by raising well adjusted kids is present.

A man with a man or a woman with a woman does not cut it. (Neither do single parents and I am sure the vast majority of them would not want to be single parents )

I disagree. One man and one woman does not have everything to raise a child at least not from a Biblical standpoint. How can you say they have everything without even mentioning God? By your argument you're saying you'd rather an atheist man and woman raise a child than a single Christian man or woman. Who do you think will raise a more Godly child? The atheist parents who instill that there is no God or the single parent who says there is? Although, as I have said before there is no way for any of us to know what a child will grow up to be. A child in a Christian home could very well grow up to not believe in God and a child from an atheist home could grow up to believe in God. Also, I bet there are some single parents here who could prove you wrong that they are incapable of raising a child well.

I am christian. I know the bible is inerrant. 1 Corinthians 13 says there is no love in sin. Homosexuality is clearly a sin in the bible...hence...there is no love in a homosexual union.

I would not want kids to be purposely raised in a no love situation.

You should ask the kids who have same sex parents if there is no love between their parents. I'm sure they'll disagree with you.

Heterosexual marriages are not perfect either and some are pretty messed up, but with a man and a woman in marriage raising kids, there is always the possibility of success, not so with homosexual unions.

I'm sorry, but there have been children who have been raised by homosexuals and they have turned out to be perfectly normal and healthy children. You keep insinuating that kids growing up with homosexual parents will be messed up or something, but there are real people out there to disprove your opinion. If I did not have my parents then I would have been grateful to have been raised by a gay couple. It would not have mattered to me if it was two women or two men. I would have been thankful to have two people who cared and loved me as their own.

You are agreeing with someone who has falsely asserted that engaging in homosexual acts is not immoral behavior. It is immoral behavior. So is adultery, bestiality, pedophilia, etc...

Immoral behavior isn't determined by your feelings. Can you guess what it is determined by?

Here's a hint: http://christianchat.com/christian-...-over-gay-marriage-opt-out-3.html#post1141466

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Not once I have ever said engaging in homosexual acts is moral or immoral. I was trying to get the point across that what is immoral to one person may be moral to another. I never gave my own opinion on the matter. I for one am offended that you would even say that about me. We have had a discussion on homosexuality before and I believe you know my standpoint AgeofKnowledge, but if you really need me to reiterate what I have said on here plenty times before I can.

Also, why is it impossible for a Christian to have a discussion about homosexuality without bringing up bestiality and pedophilia?

 

[ThriftShopPop]

age of knowledge puts words into peoples mouths that were never there

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

Well I guess if there was the end of the human race, then there would be no starving children...or in foster homes...or being abused...or living in poverty. Or unwanted for that matter. Homosexual couples can adopt, be a loving family...The unloving parent or parents, vs a loving people who are willing to bring kids out of their current and dire living situation.

So lets put a end to suffering and all be gay. Christians aren't stepping up to the plate...which in any arena is "far better" than any "homosexual, evil, demoralizing, unnatural" stepping up. Lets keep going to church, not acting anything out and condemn those "different" than us.

The logic...

The logic that doesn't exist in the bible.

 

[SonInMe]

As I said, I believe in the bible. If others do not, thats between them and God but lets get a few things straight.

Homosexuality is clearly a sin in the bible. If you do not believe in the Bible or God, ok, but do not, ever say, the bible in any fashion supports homosexuality, fornication or adultery. That is a bold faced lie.

Since some here do not believe in the bible and its absolute truth...I have to wonder what is your purpose here? You cannot ever separate us from God, or change the words of the bible.

 

[Adinah]

I'm sorry, but there have been children who have been raised by homosexuals and they have turned out to be perfectly normal and healthy children. You keep insinuating that kids growing up with homosexual parents will be messed up or something, but there are real people out there to disprove your opinion. If I did not have my parents then I would have been grateful to have been raised by a gay couple. It would not have mattered to me if it was two women or two men. I would have been thankful to have two people who cared and loved me as their own.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Not once I have ever said engaging in homosexual acts is moral or immoral. I was trying to get the point across that what is immoral to one person may be moral to another. I never gave my own opinion on the matter. I for one am offended that you would even say that about me. We have had a discussion on homosexuality before and I believe you know my standpoint AgeofKnowledge, but if you really need me to reiterate what I have said on here plenty times before I can.

Also, why is it impossible for a Christian to have a discussion about homosexuality without bringing up bestiality and pedophilia?

The Bible is absolutely clear on what God has to say about homosexuality. To suggest a homosexual couple should raise a child and that anyone in a Christian forum should say this is acceptable before God is ludicrous. God said what He said about homosexuality. It is an abomination before the Lord. So how in this world would any believer think it is acceptable for two people committing an abomination before the Lord to raise children? It's ludicrous that anyone come in here and make this assertion. There are tons of scriptures that say such a relationship is corrupt. So how in the world would a Christian believe a child should be raised in a corrupt home that teaches that corruption to that child and even demonstrates it before that child?

Homosexuality is sodomy. That's exactly what it is. You can call it by any other name, but it is corruption all the same. You don't believe that? Get yourself another religion. Create one if you will. But to claim God the Father of Jesus Christ condones this is a lie against God Himself.

 

[Nautilus]

i guess you dont clearly realize that sodomy occurs quite frequently among heterosexual couples as well. So i guess that would make them sodomites too. Or you could learn the actual definitions of words...