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Magenta

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But if her uncle came to the wedding and pleaded with her and all in attendance not to consent to this horrible blasphemy, then she would know her uncle cared about the destination of her eternal soul. If her uncle was not prepared to do this, then his next best option would be to stay home so his absence could say this.
Jesus did not stay home. He came to walk this world among sinners despite the fact that we are sinners, knowing He would not be received, be despised, rejected, and killed. He did this to demonstrate God's love for us despite the fact that we are sinners.
 

Waggles

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Please note that God is no longer in the legal definition! Nor is a man and a woman. Nor is monogamous!
Most interesting - compare the modern Webster definition with the older 1828 edition of Webster's

MAR'RIAGE, n. [L. mas, maris.] The act of uniting a man and woman for life; wedlock; the legal union of a man and woman for life. Marriage is a contract both civil and religious, by which the parties engage to live together in mutual affection and fidelity, till death shall separate them.
Marriage was instituted by God himself for the purpose of preventing the promiscuous intercourse of the sexes, for promoting domestic felicity,and for securing the maintenance and education of children.
Marriage is honorable in all and the bed undefiled. Heb 13
1. A feast made on the occasion of a marriage.
The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king, who made a marriage for his son. Mat 22.
2. In a scriptural sense, the union between Christ and his church by the covenant of grace. Rev 19.
 

theanointedwinner

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It seems to me that Ricky has acknowledged the "gay lifestyle" as a sin, and that his nephew is well aware of that fact. So where, exactly, is the problem?
The problem have been significant simplified: convince the nephew to stand firm in the belief that gay is wrong, and break up with the boyfriend

The sooner it hurts now, the sooner it can save a lot of pain down the road
 

Waggles

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That’s Christlike? What you’re implying by saying so is that people not buying your legalistic mindset are false teachers. Do you have such authority?
Yes I do.
Through the indwelling Holy Spirit who teaches me both of God's righteousness and opens my heart and mind to
the scriptures.
When you go to a gay "wedding" you are joining in on a Satanic corruption of what has been God given - marriage between a
man and a woman - as a Christian you ought not to partake of the works of darkness.
You are supposed to walking in the light. This requires a bit more wisdom and discernment than just being "nice" to sinners.

For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God
in the face of Jesus Christ.
2Corinthians 4:6
14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?
2Corinthians 6:14
6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
7 Therefore do not become partners with them;
8 for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light
Ephesians 5:
 

calibob

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But if her uncle came to the wedding and pleaded with her and all in attendance not to consent to this horrible blasphemy, then she would know her uncle cared about the destination of her eternal soul. If her uncle was not prepared to do this, then his next best option would be to stay home so his absence could say this.
If the wedding was not performed by a man of God or in the name of God how is it blasphemy?

What about the Vegas wedding chapel that's owned and operated by a pair of gay Elvis impersonators? They perform civil ceremonies for straight couples too. I being pronounced man and wife legally, by a gay official, blasphemy too?

Then there's my cousin who is a gay 5th grade teacher. He and his partner take care of his mother who is about 90? Is she sinning be accepting his love and care?

Judge not lest ye be judged!
 

calibob

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Most interesting - compare the modern Webster definition with the older 1828 edition of Webster's

MAR'RIAGE, n. [L. mas, maris.] The act of uniting a man and woman for life; wedlock; the legal union of a man and woman for life. Marriage is a contract both civil and religious, by which the parties engage to live together in mutual affection and fidelity, till death shall separate them.
Marriage was instituted by God himself for the purpose of preventing the promiscuous intercourse of the sexes, for promoting domestic felicity,and for securing the maintenance and education of children.
Marriage is honorable in all and the bed undefiled. Heb 13
1. A feast made on the occasion of a marriage.
The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king, who made a marriage for his son. Mat 22.
2. In a scriptural sense, the union between Christ and his church by the covenant of grace. Rev 19.
I copy pasted the 2015 definition according to the U.S. Supreme court. Because they enforce the new laws.
 
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Susanna

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By showing them what?
That you can be just like them!
Why would anybody need to repent if the servants of Jesus join in with their unrighteousness.
Are you saying that you’re afraid that you would join in if you attended a gay wedding? Is that what this is all about?
 
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Susanna

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Yes I do.
Through the indwelling Holy Spirit who teaches me both of God's righteousness and opens my heart and mind to
the scriptures.
When you go to a gay "wedding" you are joining in on a Satanic corruption of what has been God given - marriage between a
man and a woman - as a Christian you ought not to partake of the works of darkness.
You are supposed to walking in the light. This requires a bit more wisdom and discernment than just being "nice" to sinners.

For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God
in the face of Jesus Christ.
2Corinthians 4:6
14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?
2Corinthians 6:14
6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
7 Therefore do not become partners with them;
8 for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light
Ephesians 5:
You don’t have any authority apart from what you have given yourself.
 

Waggles

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I am wondering: what specifically do you disagree with? Do you not believe John's gospel account of Jesus making wine for a wedding party? If drinking was a sin, do you think Jesus would have encouraged and supported drinking in such a way?
Drinking wine in the OT is culturally and lawfully acceptable. Although in proverbs and elsewhere there a warnings against
drunkenness and revelling.
Kings and priests were not to partake of wine and strong drink so as to prevent them from incorrect judgements and I suppose not
to embarrass their offices and roles.

In the NT we see not a legalistic prohibition on drinking wine and alcohol, but rather teaching that drunkenness and revelling belong
to the former or old person before being converted by the Holy Spirit.
Also Paul writes about putting a stumbling block before a brother. So if a brother or sister has been set free from their alcohol dependency and I continue to drink alcohol before them at church functions then they may well backslide and fall back into their old carnal ways.
And I would be held responsible.

It is best for everyone in a church that nobody drinks alcohol. Nobody smokes cigarettes. Thus we uplift and edify one another.
After 23 years of not drinking alcohol I know that we can all socialise together with much fun and mirth and no alcohol is needed
to lubricate the interaction > hence no office parties and no shame.
 

Waggles

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Would you offend the Lord by saying NO you're not going to share His word with them?
And how exactly did you share the word of God with them?
You got up and gave a speech about sin and how they all need to embrace the gospel of repentance unto salvation?
 

Magenta

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Drinking wine in the OT is culturally and lawfully acceptable. Although in proverbs and elsewhere there a warnings against
drunkenness and revelling.
Kings and priests were not to partake of wine and strong drink so as to prevent them from incorrect judgements and I suppose not
to embarrass their offices and roles.

In the NT we see not a legalistic prohibition on drinking wine and alcohol, but rather teaching that drunkenness and revelling belong
to the former or old person before being converted by the Holy Spirit.
Also Paul writes about putting a stumbling block before a brother. So if a brother or sister has been set free from their alcohol dependency and I continue to drink alcohol before them at church functions then they may well backslide and fall back into their old carnal ways.
And I would be held responsible.

It is best for everyone in a church that nobody drinks alcohol. Nobody smokes cigarettes. Thus we uplift and edify one another.
After 23 years of not drinking alcohol I know that we can all socialise together with much fun and mirth and no alcohol is needed
to lubricate the interaction > hence no office parties and no shame.
Yes, sobriety/sober living is definitely promoted in Scriptures. Still, living life as a drunkard is quite a different matter than having a drink. How do you equate having a drink with drunkenness and revelry? Scripture also recommends drinking in certain situations and circumstances, in both the Old and the New Testaments, something you did not mention. If you are a recovered alcoholic, I am very happy for you and rejoice with you. I myself first got clean and sober after crying out to God for help, not for help to quit using mind and mood altering substances, mind you, but that is what happened. I was not a believer at the time, and yet that is now part of my testimony. All glory goes to God, and I am grateful for having been delivered from that snare, yet am quite capable of acknowledging at the same time that it is not a snare for all, so while I no longer drink (or do drugs), I do not consider it a sin for others to drink occasionally, in moderation.
 

calibob

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Drinking wine in the OT is culturally and lawfully acceptable. Although in proverbs and elsewhere there a warnings against
drunkenness and revelling.
Kings and priests were not to partake of wine and strong drink so as to prevent them from incorrect judgements and I suppose not
to embarrass their offices and roles.

In the NT we see not a legalistic prohibition on drinking wine and alcohol, but rather teaching that drunkenness and revelling belong
to the former or old person before being converted by the Holy Spirit.
Also Paul writes about putting a stumbling block before a brother. So if a brother or sister has been set free from their alcohol dependency and I continue to drink alcohol before them at church functions then they may well backslide and fall back into their old carnal ways.
And I would be held responsible.

It is best for everyone in a church that nobody drinks alcohol. Nobody smokes cigarettes. Thus we uplift and edify one another.
After 23 years of not drinking alcohol I know that we can all socialise together with much fun and mirth and no alcohol is needed
to lubricate the interaction > hence no office parties and no shame.
At church functions? I would agree, but a wedding reception is rarely a church function. We are to be in the world not of the world. Are we to separate ourselves from society and only attend Christian functions like some kind of a cult? Is that what Jesus did? Do you think at the last supper grape juice was served? Wine was safer to drink than water then because alcohol kills many types of bacteria which breed in fresh unsterilized water.
 

Waggles

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Jesus did not stay home. He came to walk this world among sinners despite the fact that we are sinners, knowing He would not be received, be despised, rejected, and killed. He did this to demonstrate God's love for us despite the fact that we are sinners.
And how many homosexual unions did Jesus attend and celebrate with them?
 

theanointedwinner

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Most of the time, our opponent lack respect, and clearly not gentle, and if they have no hope in their position, how can they possibly "give a reason for the hope that they have" if they lack hope
 

Magenta

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And how many homosexual unions did Jesus attend and celebrate with them?
While Jesus walked this world, He did not utter a peep about homosexuals.

But, among His dying words (last utterances from the cross) were, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do."
 

Magenta

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Are you saying that you’re afraid that you would join in if you attended a gay wedding? Is that what this is all about?
I have wondered something along similar lines, for a theme has presented itself that suggests that to be in the presence of something is to partake of that same thing, and that is simply not true. If it were, Jesus would be a sinner... and we know He is not.