God created evil

[phil112]

Evil is not an inanimate object that exists as something material. It is an action.

 

[PartyOf3]

I have no problem with the KJV itself, I just have a problem with the people here at CC who say any other translation is the devil's work and that Christians who read modern translations are damned to eternal death. I've been told that for a few years now and it's not cool. You'll have to forgive me if I've been sharp. I don't say this to excuse myself, but to provide some understanding of where I (and others here) are coming from.

there is an excellent book out called " the forbidden book" very interesting. It's like the history of the bible and how it got into English translation. This book is for all of those who think kjv is the only one worthy. I might add kjv is s translation itself

 

[JesusistheChrist]

I have no problem with the KJV itself, I just have a problem with the people here at CC who say any other translation is the devil's work and that Christians who read modern translations are damned to eternal death. I've been told that for a few years now and it's not cool. You'll have to forgive me if I've been sharp. I don't say this to excuse myself, but to provide some understanding of where I (and others here) are coming from.

There's really nothing to forgive, so we're cool. I vehemently disagree with your assessment of the modern versions in comparison to the KJV, but I'd never even think of suggesting that you're damned to eternal death for using them. I took the time many years ago to do a pretty intense comparative study on Bible translations and the underlying texts from which they're translated and I've based my own conclusions upon the same. If anybody wanted to get into a civil discussion about that, then I'd entertain the idea. Other than that, I'm really not looking to get into an argument with anybody over this topic. Less than a year ago, I got into a discussion with a local pastor on this topic and I showed him how many changes have been made in the ESV which affect major tenets of the Christian faith and he basically couldn't have cared less. That was pretty much the last straw for me. I personally believe that a lot of the divisions with Christendom are directly related to the different Bible translations which different people use. In many instances, the different translations are clearly saying different things.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

there is an excellent book out called " the forbidden book" very interesting. It's like the history of the bible and how it got into English translation. This book is for all of those who think kjv is the only one worthy. I might add kjv is s translation itself

I've seen that on DVD and I probably still have it buried in one of my closets somewhere.

 

[CSF]

No, good must exist for evil to exist. We've just established that evil isn't a thing in and of itself. It's an absence of good.

I think that's actually correct but one can argue that good is the absence of evil too, and that's why we should aim for really (even if we could never get rid of our evil ways if not for Jesus).
Let's also rember that before there were light, there were darkness, and before the light of god that is good was in our life, there were darkness that was evil.

 

[atwhatcost]

My Bible says he did create evil......what would you change the word to say. I have studied Greek and Hebrew and I WILL look up the root word but for now it says he Created evil. Also I use the KJV and don't care much for other translations. It is a bit hard to grasp the concept of God creating evil but then that is what it says and I believe it.

ra‛ râ‛âh
rah, raw-aw'
From H7489; bad or (as noun) evil (naturally or morally). This includes the second (feminine) form; as adjective or noun: - adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease (-ure), distress, evil ([-favouredness], man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief (-vous), harm, heavy, hurt (-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief, (-vous), misery, naught (-ty), noisome, + not please, sad (-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked (-ly, -ness, one), worse (-st) wretchedness, wrong. [Including feminine ra’ah; as adjective or noun.]
Total KJV occurrences: 664

That's the original word and definition. Most call it calamities.

 

[atwhatcost]

Calamity in which translations? KJV says evil...............................

Well, I gave you the definition as Strong's gave it, and he actually used KJV to create his concordance.

 

[PartyOf3]

I've seen that on DVD and I probably still have it buried in one of my closets somewhere.

i didn't know it was on eve, I will have to check it out

 

[JesusistheChrist]

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

Seeing how "light" contrasts "darkness", what contrasts "peace"? "Calamity" does and the Lord is regularly depicted as the One Who stirs up trouble for people as a means of chastisement in the scriptures.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

i didn't know it was on eve, I will have to check it out

On eve? lol. I'm guessing that you hit the "e" key twice instead of the "d" key. Anyhow, if we're talking about the same thing and I think that we are, then that's been out on DVD for several years. I'm pretty sure that it first came out in 1997 and you can easily purchase it online. I got mine at a Christian bookstore many years ago, but I think that they came out with an updated version in 2006.

 

[atwhatcost]

Just FYI, Sans Peur means "without fear" in French. Seems there are a lot of trolls tonight with nothing better to do than disrupt CC.

I'm not so sure there was only one troll related to this post. I'm catching a Stevie/Greggy vibe. I might be wrong.

 

[Tintin]

I think that's actually correct but one can argue that good is the absence of evil too, and that's why we should aim for really (even if we could never get rid of our evil ways if not for Jesus).
Let's also rember that before there were light, there were darkness, and before the light of god that is good was in our life, there were darkness that was evil.

I don't believe that people can really argue that good is the absence of evil, because evil is incomplete. Good is complete, evil is incomplete. Completeness can't come from incompleteness. But incompleteness is most certainly corrupted completeness.

 

[Tintin]

There's really nothing to forgive, so we're cool. I vehemently disagree with your assessment of the modern versions in comparison to the KJV, but I'd never even think of suggesting that you're damned to eternal death for using them. I took the time many years ago to do a pretty intense comparative study on Bible translations and the underlying texts from which they're translated and I've based my own conclusions upon the same. If anybody wanted to get into a civil discussion about that, then I'd entertain the idea. Other than that, I'm really not looking to get into an argument with anybody over this topic. Less than a year ago, I got into a discussion with a local pastor on this topic and I showed him how many changes have been made in the ESV which affect major tenets of the Christian faith and he basically couldn't have cared less. That was pretty much the last straw for me. I personally believe that a lot of the divisions with Christendom are directly related to the different Bible translations which different people use. In many instances, the different translations are clearly saying different things.

I have no qualms with you, brother. I was referring to some others here. Many of them long-time members. As for the ESV. I'm not super-familiar with it, but I do enjoy it. I grew up with the Good News, the CEV and the most 'evil' of all translations (haha!) the NIV, and I've never questioned any of the primary tenants of the Christian faith.

 

[Galahad]

Galahad,



Well he created the devil I suppose but as for what else or how or why I leave that is his hands. He does as he wants and while I don't understand all things he wrote I believe them. He alone is God and there is no other.

Is there any darkness in God? Any darkness at all?

 

[Eva1218]

GOD did not create evil. GOD knows that the opposite of good is evil and because of that when lucifer had in his heart to do evil, which is doing the opposite of what GOD says. GOD set forth a Master Plan. The only way mankind would even know of evil would be to make their own choice. GOD gave Adam the Commandment not to eat of the tree of good and evil.

Though Adam only understood good he had no recollection of evil, until he made his own choice to eat of the forbidden fruit. Notice satan had to deceive Eve. Once Eve gave an ear to satan, evil now was made known to her. Eve knew serpents did not talk and yet gave an ear to hear. Not only did Eve hear she looked upon it. By this she now made her choice to partake. Once she ate she gave also to Adam. Once Adam ate he therefore started a strain of inheritance to all.

This is why we all are shapen in iniquity. Through the Master's Plan we have to make a choice to be Born Again shaped in the image of the SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.

Blessings!!!!!!!

 

[shineyourlight]

My Bible says he did create evil......what would you change the word to say. I have studied Greek and Hebrew and I WILL look up the root word but for now it says he Created evil.

Wait, so you totally took it face value BEFORE you studied it? Because, I studied that scripture....with the KJV.....and even did a Greek/Hebrew digging and what you're saying isn't what it means. I know it comes off as God creating evil, however. This is why I studied it more before I formed an opinion.

So, before an opinion is formed, I encourage you to look into it more than just taking it as face value. No one is saying the Word of God is void. It is the truth. Just, do some researching.

It's awesome you want to know more about what the Word says, Josef!

 

[valiant]

God made the earth. He made night and Day. Hot and cold. And he created some vessels for wrath and others for mercy, even us the elect. He makes peace and creates evil. Praise the LORD for all he does.

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things"

Let us praise the Lord and give thank to him for his salvation for he is in heaven and we are on earth. Therefore give him ALL the honor and glory due his name for he does as he pleases.

Psalm 115:3 "Our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he pleases"

People sometimes ask why bad things happen. They happen because it is the will of God. ALL things are in his hands. Thank you Lord for your mercy and your Grace. We are in the hands of almighty God who will never fail. Let the redeemed of the Lord say so.

Psalm 107:2 "Let the redeemed of the Lord say so whom he has redeemed from the hand of the enemy"

God did not create moral evil. Moral evil is the consequence of the choice of a moral being. What Isaiah is saying is that God created natural evils, volcanoes, earthquakes, famines, pestilence etc etc

 

[thebesttrees]

God is light. Evil is the lack of light and does not have any real existence on its own.

To a room full of light, darkness never enters unless you remove the light. Yet a little bit of a light illuminates a room entirely dark before then.

The devil, satan, and the other manifestations of darkness adhere to the lack of light. God has created the light and when we choose to stay in the cave, we have chosen darkness. We have chosen evil. We do not blame God for what we choose to do.

So when God says,

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things"

He speaks the truth as the lack of light is darkness, as the lack of peace is evil. By creating light, darkness has automatically come into view not by itself but by the lack of light.

 

[atwhatcost]

I have no qualms with you, brother. I was referring to some others here. Many of them long-time members. As for the ESV. I'm not super-familiar with it, but I do enjoy it. I grew up with the Good News, the CEV and the most 'evil' of all translations (haha!) the NIV, and I've never questioned any of the primary tenants of the Christian faith.

I keep forgetting how young you are, but you just made me feel old! I remember when the NIV came out. Quite the controversy, but I still like it.

Might be prejudice. I knew the guy who translated Jude (and a few Psalms) for the NIV. I'd have to classify him as my hero, and not because he could translate a book in the Bible for a translation of it. But because he spent his money and his life helping homeless men get off the streets of Philly and become men of God in the process. His real ministry (when he wasn't studying, and it looked like he studied most of the time), was a building he bought to bring in homeless men to teach them a better way to live.

 

[atwhatcost]

I can understand the KJV just fine and I like the Language and the way it is written. My problem with other translations is that men often try to make the scriptures easier to understand and only God can give the understanding of his word. Also when we are meeting together we ask that all use the KJV so as to avoid confusion. I can find no reason to change the word evil here. Another place where people want to change a word is in Romans where the scriptures clearly uses the word hated to describe Esau. I have even heard some go so far as to say he loved Esau less. My God can't love anything less and again it plainly says hated. But translations aside it is God who loves or hates and also creates peace and evil.

Here's an obvious example.

What does the English word "run" mean?

Dd you just picture someone jogging quickly?

I was thinking of Bull Run. I'm not talking bovine. I'm talking about a small body of water traveling through some low lying fields in Manassas VA. Run is something like a stream.

So should I fault you for picking the wrong meaning? Not really. I only got one other meaning for the word and there are 148. I could run you ragged on the word run. I could score a home run playing that game. I might even get you to have the runs. Sorry, I'm running out of other puns.

That word for evil? Not quite as complicated as the word run, but you have to understand it through context, not just let it sit there on its own and assume the meaning. Are hurricanes, floods, fires, and earthquakes evil? Yes. And also God made. But they aren't the same kind of evil as the word used in Gen. 6:5. Evil really does work in your verses, but so does a more specific word -- calamity.