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Oh... so saying I LOVE TO ATTACK.... is NOT asserting to know the thoughts and intentions of the heart????? I am absolutely DONE talking to you... accuser of the brethren.
God did away with some of His own sayings
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Oh... so saying I LOVE TO ATTACK.... is NOT asserting to know the thoughts and intentions of the heart????? I am absolutely DONE talking to you... accuser of the brethren.
He did answer the question I asked beyond an basic yes or no answer by reposting the ONLY comment he has ever referred to PORK (as far as I can recall). Since I was the one asking the question, and I am satisfied with the answer... why are you INTERJECTING your complaints into our two-way discourse? It isn't helpful, it isn't edifying, it isn't encouraging... rather the opposite
I think you forget that just-me and I are having a conversation and we are going back and forth. This is an open thread for all to comment and interject especially when the person interjecting is already currently in a discussion with the person you addressed. He said something about a conversation I was involved in, therefore I have every right to comment. My point is that his answer isn't forthright, there is something hidden behind those words if he cannot outright say, "No, I am not saying that." The fact that he answered, "Not really", means that there is more to the story than what is plain to the eye.
It is edifying, helpful and encouraging because it is a request to be forthright and not use such words as "Not really" which is a veiled attempt at hiding what he truly believes in its entirety, which is to observe all the Law "in spirit and truth." Which is to say, to not ignore the physical (as he always adds subtly) but not openly enough so others won't accuse him of legalism.
So your plea over it being a two-way discourse is actually wrong, you jumped into our conversation and asked about his perspective because of something you saw me say. I, once again, have every right to comment when his answer puts what I said into question.
If you don't understand something I am saying please ask for clarification. You keep jumping to conclusions and addressing me aggressively.
This "thing" of wanting to void out a part of God's words, that I consider false doctrine can be explained as follows.
1. The law and commandments contained in the Old covenant must to be made void and abolished because man has refused to use the law lawfully in order to make it good.
2. Therefore, it's a faulty covenant because man fell short.
3. This situation of past history justifies the rejection of a substantial part of God's spoken words.
4. Therefore it's God's spoken words that have been proven to fail because man didn't live up to the commandments contained in the Old Covenant.
All your premises are false and therefore your conclusion is. I will just address the biggest issue with this which is premise #2 that I put in bold. The Law is not faulty because man fell short, it actually succeeded in its purpose by men falling short. The fact that men fell short was/is its intended purpose, to be a school master to bring them to Christ. The Law reveals to us our inability to save ourselves and our dire need of a savior. That savior is Jesus Christ, the Messiah.
That is not the logic of someone who wants to make void the Law. If you have a problem with people making void the Law, take it up with Jesus... he nailed it to the cross and disarmed principalities and powers in doing so (they can't accuse you of falling short, even if you do because we no longer are under the Law and also too, grace... imputed righteousness). Ah, the wonderful gift of no condemnation, feels so good.
I'm not sure if I am understanding the question I tend to over think things and get confused. Realize Jesus was teaching during a time when the people were still under the old testament the laws of Moses. After Jesus is crucified the law is one of liberty. Jesus completely put the letter of the law to death on the cross. Jesus fulfilled the law and now writes it on our hearts. Our commandment is Love one another as Christ loved us. Notice the difference between the commandment "Hear oh Israel the Lord is one, and you shall love the Lord with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. And the second is You shall love your neighbor as yourself". Our new instruction is Love one another. The previous commandments are based on works where as love one another is based in grace of Jesus Christ. Our law is engraved on our hearts it is the Christians nature to obey God, where as the sinner still under the law has a nature inclined to disobedience and sin.
I only quoted the point you are making. Hope that's OK with you.
That's amazing that you would quote the OT law to make the point that the 2nd love commandment is "new" (love one another) and the old commandment is to love God based on works. "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord." Leviticus 19:18 ( I'm happy that you referred to this commandment by attributing it to the grace of God.) The instructions of exacting this love are in verses 11 thru 17 of the same chapter of the law to house of Israel.
In reading the Bible, it seems to me to be clear that both of these love commandments are reiterated in the NT by quoting the OT. "And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:" Deuteronomy 6:5-6 (works commandment)
"If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul." Deuteronomy 13:1-3 (works commandment)
"And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live." Deuteronomy 30:6 (works commandment)
If loving God is a works commandment, doesn't that also make loving one another a "works commandment" considering that both are OT and not new? Are not both of these commandments (listed in the law) given to us by the grace of God?
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Jesus taught us what the core of the law represents. If we neglect this, we are no different than the hypocritical Pharisees as Jesus was defining priorities of the law that they had completely distorted. That seems to be a common practice for the human way of thinking, determining within themselves (the tree of knowledge, good and evil) what is right and wrong.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23
BLTs are very good, especially when we are eating our home grown tomatoes given to us by the "GRACE" of God. It is still a "works" thing because we start the plants from seeds and make sure the ground is fertile enough and then plant them. I suppose that makes me a hypocrite to some people, but I attribute the growth to God because He gives the increase. I don't feel guilty in the least over this. "Not really." ***
Seven days shalt thou keep a solemn feast unto the Lord thy God in the place which the Lord shall choose: because the Lord thy God shall bless thee in all thine increase, and in all the works of thine hands, therefore thou shalt surely rejoice. Deuteronomy 16:15 (this is the law) Amazing ain't it? Really!
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 1 Corinthians 3:16
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All your premises are false and therefore your conclusion is. I will just address the biggest issue with this which is premise #2 that I put in bold. The Law is not faulty because man fell short, it actually succeeded in its purpose by men falling short. The fact that men fell short was/is its intended purpose, to be a school master to bring them to Christ. The Law reveals to us our inability to save ourselves and our dire need of a savior. That savior is Jesus Christ, the Messiah.
That is not the logic of someone who wants to make void the Law. If you have a problem with people making void the Law, take it up with Jesus... he nailed it to the cross and disarmed principalities and powers in doing so (they can't accuse you of falling short, even if you do because we no longer are under the Law and also too, grace... imputed righteousness). Ah, the wonderful gift of no condemnation, feels so good.
Amen, that is the part I could never figure, and one of the reasons I do as I do when I see it.
How can a covenant, which was created to lead men to Christ, be of any use, if it could make a person righteous? For it would fail to do what it was intended. Who needs Christ and his salvation when you already righteous (obey the law)
Again, it is like trying to use a car to get from Boston, Mass, to London, England, You can work the car all you want, make the engine go as fast as it will go. it will still sink, because it was not designed to do what your trying to get it to do.
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Still going to allow Ben and Just-me to converse, so I will restrain from responding to just-me temporarily.
1 Cor 13:8-10
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
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2 Cor 3:2-9
2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
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Heb 8:1-13
1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
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I was under the impression that many believe that the Old Covenant was faulty because of the weakness of man. I suppose then it's God's word contained in the Old Covenant that fell short.
"For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second."Hebrews 7:18-19 Hebrews 8:7
I know that we are just becoming acquainted. Allow me to give you tidbit about what I think of “Sabbath days.” I have been somewhat (actually mostly) rejected by people who observe a weekly Sabbath Saturday even though I have never said a weekly Sabbath is wrong. Amazing that I'm getting it from both sides of not believing the law enough and not believing in grace enough? LOL
So we agree that the law is spiritual, holy, just, and good if it is used lawfully. 1 Timothy 1:8
This is the way I see you and others explain the crucification of the law. In order to use the law lawfully, which is spiritual, holy, just, and good, is to see our own sins by these attributes that are spiritual, holy, just, and good so we will reach out to Christ and become saved. The only way that this salvation can ever work is to believe that Jesus is spiritual, holy, just, and good. I concur emphatically with this so far.
Ok, now this is where it gets dicey. These 4 attributes of the law, and of Christ Jesus, being spiritual, holy, just, and good were taken with him to the cross. Then after He was resurrected, that which was spiritual, holy, just, and good in the law remained in the grave, being forever separated from that which was spiritual, holy, just, and good in our High Priest, and mediator of the new covenant in Christ Jesus. Even though I disagree with this doctrine, have I defined it correctly, and cannot this verse be used to prove this falsehood?
"For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law" Romans 5:13
The way I see it is that if Jesus bore our sins on the cross, along with what is spiritual, holy, just, and good, our sins, being the total opposite of those 4 things, would remain in the grave and not the spoken words of God which include the law/Torah/ and OT commandments.
So the law had to be destroyed in order for existing sin not to be revealed. I think that is totally upside-down.
"Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?" Isaiah 29:16
Asking your opinion on these three scriptures.
Is the phrase "that which is in part shall be done away" referring to God's spoken word?
Is the phrase "which glory was to be done away" referring to God's spoken word?
Is the phrase "Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." referring to God's spoken word?
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"For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." Romans 3:3-4
"Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom. Psalm 51:4-6
"Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom. Psalm 51:4-6
I was under the impression that many believe that the Old Covenant was faulty because of the weakness of man. I suppose then it's God's word contained in the Old Covenant that fell short.
"For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second."Hebrews 7:18-19 Hebrews 8:7
Using the word “succeeded” is past tense, which I understand fully, in relation to “fulfill.” Then we can think of this verse in relation to that. “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Luke 16:16 So as soon as John was beheaded everything changed concerning the law. I don't think so, but the rhetoric of many sometimes use this scripture to present a false narrative. Am I close to defining this principle that I so heartily disagree with?
I know that we are just becoming acquainted. Allow me to give you tidbit about what I think of “Sabbath days.” I have been somewhat (actually mostly) rejected by people who observe a weekly Sabbath Saturday even though I have never said a weekly Sabbath is wrong. Amazing that I'm getting it from both sides of not believing the law enough and not believing in grace enough? LOL
So we agree that the law is spiritual, holy, just, and good if it is used lawfully. 1 Timothy 1:8
This is the way I see you and others explain the crucification of the law. In order to use the law lawfully, which is spiritual, holy, just, and good, is to see our own sins by these attributes that are spiritual, holy, just, and good so we will reach out to Christ and become saved. The only way that this salvation can ever work is to believe that Jesus is spiritual, holy, just, and good. I concur emphatically with this so far.
Ok, now this is where it gets dicey. These 4 attributes of the law, and of Christ Jesus, being spiritual, holy, just, and good were taken with him to the cross. Then after He was resurrected, that which was spiritual, holy, just, and good in the law remained in the grave, being forever separated from that which was spiritual, holy, just, and good in our High Priest, and mediator of the new covenant in Christ Jesus. Even though I disagree with this doctrine, have I defined it correctly, and cannot this verse be used to prove this falsehood?
"For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law" Romans 5:13
The way I see it is that if Jesus bore our sins on the cross, along with what is spiritual, holy, just, and good, our sins, being the total opposite of those 4 things, would remain in the grave and not the spoken words of God which include the law/Torah/ and OT commandments.
So the law had to be destroyed in order for existing sin not to be revealed. I think that is totally upside-down.
"Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?" Isaiah 29:16
Sin isn't imputed to us, so that verse (Romans 5:13) is actually in support of and not against the point being made. That point, for all intents and purposes, being there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Jesus Christ. Even King David spoke of the blessedness of the man whom God did not impute sin/iniquity. There are verses that speak of sins of scarlet being white as snow, and sins of crimson white as wool. In Hebrews a verse telling us that He remembers our sins no more.
So is it a stretch to comprehend that the Law being nailed to the cross is for that very purpose of having no transgression? Even so, how are we to be held accountable to a covenant we are not under? We are not to fulfill anything in the old covenant, we are not under it... if we fail in any part of the Law it isn't held against us because we aren't even a part of that covenant. We are under a new covenant, a covenant of grace (without merit). We have no part to fulfill because in Christ it is fulfilled.
The Law was against us, not for us. It is meant to condemn not bring righteousness in and of ourselves. It is incapable of doing such. If it was incapable of making men righteous and was there to show men's flaws, how then do you suppose that which was never for the purpose of sanctification can now sanctify? We look at the Law and feel condemned. We look to Jesus and we are justified. Our sanctification doesn't happen as we observe the Law, but by the Holy Spirit who resides in us, as we are His temple. Also too, through the renewing of our minds that we are dead to sin and alive unto God, and this revelation happens as we continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.
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The Law was given not because the Lord decided to do so but because the Israelites requested it through their boasting. They no longer wanted a relationship by grace but merit. They placed the Law upon themselves. They boasted that they could do all that the Lord required of them and so the Lord gave them what they wanted, of course in mind that it would bring them to an end of themself and lead them to their need for the savior, Jesus Christ. You know, His plan of reconciliation.
I was just reading through this thread, sorry to just jump in. But I have to ask. Can you show me where the Israelite's requested the law through their boasting in the scriptures, and where it says that they placed the law upon themselves.
Thank you BenFTW.
Enjoying this thread Ben and Just_us.
Yes, not a problem.
Romans 9:30-33King James Version (KJV)
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Key point, they sought.
But lets go to the OT exactly where it happened...
Exodus 24:3-7King James Version (KJV)
3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the Lord hath said will we do.
4 And Moses wrote all the words of the Lord, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.
5 And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the Lord.
6 And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.
7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient.
Their boast was that they could do what he commanded. They came in agreement to do, what Moses would later reveal to be, the Law therefore going under covenant.
8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words.
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12 And the Lord said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
So then does your doctrine endorse that the law needs to disappear with sin because they are the same? If I am correct in that interpretation, then the sins are made clean by the abolishing of the law rather than the law being seen as clean by the abolishing of the sin that the law reveals.
My belief is that adhering to the new covenant lifts us up so we can have a better vantage point to see the truth of the old covenant that we are no longer under. Here is a promise without condemnation in the law. "And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new." Leviticus 26:10 Of course the spiritual application needs to be invoked.
I agree that the law cannot make us righteous. That never was, and never will be what I believe, for we all fall short of living perfectly. Yes, and we are justified in believing in Christ Jesus. Here's where we differ. Jesus created all things, and by Him all things consist. He is literally the "Word of God." Just because He has made a way for us to be accepted by God Almighty by believing in all that He is (His name), how in the world can He make void part of Himself which shows us that He is incomplete when in fact He is complete? To me that makes no sense at all, for Christ Jesus is Spiritual, holy, just, and good, same as Paul classified the words of God that are contained in the law and everything else He ever spoke. Ya cannot throw the law away with sin. If that were true then what doesn't exist cannot be fulfilled. The law is God's, the sin is ours. They are not together. Sin works against God, and the law works against sin. We are prone to unrighteousness even after being born again, and God's words are forever righteous.
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans 8:1
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. Galatinas 5:17
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1 Peter 3:18
The Holy Spirit, revealed in all of God's spoken words, and flesh are polar opposites. So that which is spiritual, holy, just, and good have been resurrected with Christ. All that the Old Covenant contained is still in existence in the New Covenant even though the container of the Old has been discarded by the New. The Old covenant by itself is not complete.
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Yes, not a problem.
Romans 9:30-33King James Version (KJV)
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Key point, they sought.
But lets go to the OT exactly where it happened...
Exodus 24:3-7King James Version (KJV)
3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the Lord hath said will we do.
4 And Moses wrote all the words of the Lord, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.
5 And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the Lord.
6 And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.
7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient.
Their boast was that they could do what he commanded. They came in agreement to do, what Moses would later reveal to be, the Law therefore going under covenant.
8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words.
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12 And the Lord said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
Amen, Paul mentions this in the NT in galations 3 in which he quoted what was said to moses in deut 27: 26
[SUP]26 [/SUP]‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’
“And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’
The people were required to agree to the standard god set (perfection to the law), Thus when they said "amen" as required. they willingly placed themselves under that law. and its requirement, even though NO ONE but CHRIST has ever fulfilled that requirement.
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Yes, not a problem.
Romans 9:30-33King James Version (KJV)
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Key point, they sought.
But lets go to the OT exactly where it happened...
Exodus 24:3-7King James Version (KJV)
3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the Lord hath said will we do.
4 And Moses wrote all the words of the Lord, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.
5 And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the Lord.
6 And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar.
7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient.
Their boast was that they could do what he commanded. They came in agreement to do, what Moses would later reveal to be, the Law therefore going under covenant.
8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words.
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12 And the Lord said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
The Exodus account doesn't sound too bad when read in the KJV. It just sounds like they are wanting to be obedient. When you read it in the original languages however, it is easy to see that the people are boasting that they have this under control, they are well able to do anything God requires of them.
It was fear at first, and then they said ok we will abide by you words.
[SUP]"[/SUP]And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not." Exodus 20:19-20
"And Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the Lord hath said will we do." Exodus 24:3
It wasn't until Moses (during the 40 days on Mount Sinai) receive instructions from God concerning the Levitical priesthood and building of the physical temple that Israel made the golden calf taught to them while in Egypt. Exodus 25 thru 31