God gave the law about Circumcision.

[Soyeong]

You need to read with more understanding....
Romans 7 .....
4 So, my dear brothers and sisters, this is the point: You died to the power of the law when you died with Christ. And now you are united with the one who was raised from the dead. As a result, we can produce a harvest of good deeds for God. 5 When we were controlled by our old nature,[b] sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death. 6 But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.

The Law of God leads us to do what is godly, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) while the law of sin leads us in the opposite direction by staring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death (Romans 7:5), so it is important to be careful not to mistake things that were said in regard to the laws of sin as being in regard to the Law of God. In Romans 6:14, Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which does not describe the Law of God, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. In Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in Romans 3:20, it is by the Law of God that we have knowledge of what sin is, so we are still under it, but are not under the law of sin. In Romans 6:16 we are slaves of the one whom we obey, either of the law of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience to the Law of God, which leads to righteousness. In Romans 6:17-18, we have been set free from the law of sin in order to become slaves of righteousness. In Romans 6:19-23, we are no longer to present ourselves as being slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin, but as slaves to God and to righteousness leading to sanctification, and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God.

So Romans 7:1-6 should not be interpreted in a way that rejects God's gift of eternal life. In Romans 7:1-3, at no point was the woman set free from needing to obey the Law of God, so there is nothing that leads to conclusion in verse 4 that in the same way we have been set free needing to obey the Law of God. When we died with Christ, we died to the power of the law of sin, not the Law of God. The way to be unified with God's word made flesh is not by dying to God's word, but just the opposite. Likewise, the way to bear fruit unto God is not by dying to His instructions for how to bear fruit for Him, but rather we needed to die to the law of sin that was hindering us from obeying those instructions. In Romans 7:22-23, Paul delighted in obeying the Law of God, but contrasted it with the law of sin, which held him captive, so it would be absurd to interpret Romans 7:5 as referring to the Law of God as if Paul delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, but rather that is the role of the law of sin, and it would likewise be absurd to interpret Romans 7:6 as if Paul delighted in being held captive to sin, but rather it is the law of sin that he described as holding him captive.

 

[Dino246]

Good works are not extrinsic to salvation, so we are not required to have first done enough good works in order to earn our salvation as the result and we are not required to do good works as the result of having first been saved, but rather the experience being a doer of good works is intrinsically part of God's gift of saving us from not being a doer of good works. Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so Jesus graciously teaching us to be a doer of it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it.

That's just silly.

Basically what you're saying is that Jesus saves us from being unsaved. Your reasoning is circular... and wrong. You don't understand Christian salvation.

 

[Godsgood]

Deuteronomy 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

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Yes, because those who were not Spiritually Circumcise by Our Lord Jesus have hardened Heart.
Once a man is already Spiritually Circumcise will be given a soft heart.
A Hearth of Flesh.
EZEKIEL 11:19
19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Example of a person who is not Spiritually Circumcise that has a stiff neck or hardened heart is Pharaoh.
EXODUS 14:8
8 And the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursued after the children of Israel: and the children of Israel went out with an high hand.

 

[Dino246]

The Law of God leads us to do what is godly, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) while the law of sin leads us in the opposite direction by staring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death (Romans 7:5), so it is important to be careful not to mistake things that were said in regard to the laws of sin as being in regard to the Law of God. In Romans 6:14, Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which does not describe the Law of God, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. In Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in Romans 3:20, it is by the Law of God that we have knowledge of what sin is, so we are still under it, but are not under the law of sin. In Romans 6:16 we are slaves of the one whom we obey, either of the law of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience to the Law of God, which leads to righteousness. In Romans 6:17-18, we have been set free from the law of sin in order to become slaves of righteousness. In Romans 6:19-23, we are no longer to present ourselves as being slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin, but as slaves to God and to righteousness leading to sanctification, and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God.

So Romans 7:1-6 should not be interpreted in a way that rejects God's gift of eternal life. In Romans 7:1-3, at no point was the woman set free from needing to obey the Law of God, so there is nothing that leads to conclusion in verse 4 that in the same way we have been set free needing to obey the Law of God. When we died with Christ, we died to the power of the law of sin, not the Law of God. The way to be unified with God's word made flesh is not by dying to God's word, but just the opposite. Likewise, the way to bear fruit unto God is not by dying to His instructions for how to bear fruit for Him, but rather we needed to die to the law of sin that was hindering us from obeying those instructions. In Romans 7:22-23, Paul delighted in obeying the Law of God, but contrasted it with the law of sin, which held him captive, so it would be absurd to interpret Romans 7:5 as referring to the Law of God as if Paul delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, but rather that is the role of the law of sin, and it would likewise be absurd to interpret Romans 7:6 as if Paul delighted in being held captive to sin, but rather it is the law of sin that he described as holding him captive.

I have one question for you, and I would like a straightforward answer:

What did Jesus accomplish on the cross for those who believe in Him?

 

[Gideon300]

The Law of God leads us to do what is godly, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) while the law of sin leads us in the opposite direction by staring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death (Romans 7:5), so it is important to be careful not to mistake things that were said in regard to the laws of sin as being in regard to the Law of God. In Romans 6:14, Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which does not describe the Law of God, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. In Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in Romans 3:20, it is by the Law of God that we have knowledge of what sin is, so we are still under it, but are not under the law of sin. In Romans 6:16 we are slaves of the one whom we obey, either of the law of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience to the Law of God, which leads to righteousness. In Romans 6:17-18, we have been set free from the law of sin in order to become slaves of righteousness. In Romans 6:19-23, we are no longer to present ourselves as being slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin, but as slaves to God and to righteousness leading to sanctification, and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God.

So Romans 7:1-6 should not be interpreted in a way that rejects God's gift of eternal life. In Romans 7:1-3, at no point was the woman set free from needing to obey the Law of God, so there is nothing that leads to conclusion in verse 4 that in the same way we have been set free needing to obey the Law of God. When we died with Christ, we died to the power of the law of sin, not the Law of God. The way to be unified with God's word made flesh is not by dying to God's word, but just the opposite. Likewise, the way to bear fruit unto God is not by dying to His instructions for how to bear fruit for Him, but rather we needed to die to the law of sin that was hindering us from obeying those instructions. In Romans 7:22-23, Paul delighted in obeying the Law of God, but contrasted it with the law of sin, which held him captive, so it would be absurd to interpret Romans 7:5 as referring to the Law of God as if Paul delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, but rather that is the role of the law of sin, and it would likewise be absurd to interpret Romans 7:6 as if Paul delighted in being held captive to sin, but rather it is the law of sin that he described as holding him captive.

False statement, false doctrine. The law simply proves to us that we cannot keep the law. I don't what your basis for salvation is, but if you are relying on your obedience to the law, you are without hope. Not wanting to sin empowers no one to live righteously. The law killed me. I was dead in trespass and sin. Jesus raised me from the dead and I am now subject to the new covenant of grace. I don't know why you persist with your dead legalism. The law of the Spirit of life sets me free from the law of sin and death. You try it sometime. God has made all things new, including His covenant with man.

 

[Soyeong]

False statement, false doctrine.

Claiming it is far from demonstrating it to be the case.

The law simply proves to us that we cannot keep the law.

Nowhere does the Bible say that, rather in Romans 10:5-8, it references Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that God's law is not too difficult for us to keep and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as possibility and as a choice, not as something that no one can keep. Likewise, in 1 John 5:3, to love God is to keep His commandments, which are not burdensome. Moreover, there are many examples in the Bible of people who did keep the law, such as in Joshua 22:5, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14. It would be pointless to instruct someone to do something that they can't do just to prove to them that they can't do it and if God had done that, then we would not justly be at fault for not doing it.

I don't what your basis for salvation is, but if you are relying on your obedience to the law, you are without hope.

God is trustworthy, therefore His instructions are also trustworthy, so the way to trust God for salvation is by obediently trusting in His instructions while it would be contradictory for someone to think that we should have faith in God, but not in His instructions. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith alone, and all of God's covenants are covenants of grace.

Not wanting to sin empowers no one to live righteously.

Repenting is the way to live righteously.

The law killed me.

In Romans 7:12-13, Paul said that the Law of God is good and that it was not that which is good that brought death to him.

I was dead in trespass and sin. Jesus raised me from the dead and I am now subject to the new covenant of grace. I don't know why you persist with your dead legalism.

We need to die to the law of sin in order to be free to obey the Law of God in newness of life, not the other way around. In Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant involves God putting His law in our mind and writing it on our hearts, so if you want noting to do with obeying it, then you want nothing to do with the New Covenant.

The law of the Spirit of life sets me free from the law of sin and death. You try it sometime. God has made all things new, including His covenant with man.

In Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrast the Law of God with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit of Life with the law of sin and death, so the law of God is not the law of sin and death. The Spirit is God, so it doesn't even make sense to interpret that as saying God has set us free from the Law of God as if a house divided against itself could stand. In Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God.

In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed His children to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for Him is if they speak against obeying His law, so if you consider Paul to be a servant of God as I do and you interpret him as doing that, then your only option is to conclude as I do that you must have misinterpreted him, but if you interpret him as doing that and think that your interpretation of him must be correct, then your only option is to conclude that he was a false prophet, but either way you should still obey the Law of God.

 

[Dino246]

Claiming it is far from demonstrating it to be the case.


Nowhere does the Bible say that, rather in Romans 10:5-8, it references Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that God's law is not too difficult for us to keep

No it doesn’t. I already corrected you on this. Are you impervious to truth?

 

[ocean]

A child of God is someone whose life is directed at being in His likeness by being a doer of His character traits in obedience to His law, which is why those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to it are not children of God

How does a person become 'a child of God'?

There can be legitimate and illegitimate reasons for not following a particular law and James 2:10 is only speaking in regard to illegitimate reasons. Even when the law was first given to Moses, there was not a single person who was required to obey all of the laws and not even Jesus obeyed the laws in regard to giving birth or to having a period, so he was not considered to be a lawbreaker because he had a legitimate reason for not following those laws.

Your delineation for observance or non-observance of laws specific to matters of gender do not reflect the rudimentary understanding of anyone capable of comprehending the male/female physicalities and I am certain the Israelites did not exhibit confusion concerning their laws either.

Our salvation from sin would be incomplete if we were only saved from the penalty of our sin while our lives continued to be directed at being doers of sin, so there must be an aspect of our gift of salvation from sin that we are experiencing in the present by directing our lives towards being a doer of God's law. In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously teaching us to be a doer of those works is the aspect of His gift of salvation that we are experiencing in the present.

Your personal mashup of grace and law is not biblical.

I believe that the whole Bible is true, so I do not interpret any part of it as being contrary to another part. I try to support my beliefs with Scripture as thoroughly as I can, so if you think that I'm leaving out verses that do not confirm to my beliefs, then please bring them up. I have no claimed that anyone is saved from brith. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what Jesus spent his ministry teaching by word and by example and in what he accomplished through the cross is by repenting and becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law (Acts 21:20).

God desires us to be conformed to the image of His Son and that is a process. Salvation happens in the moment; sanctification is our walk with Christ in the power of the Holy Spirit as scripture reveals. You do not state when you accepted Christ.
Sadly, your confusion with the law being a part of salvation negates the very purpose of Christ's sacrifice on our behalf. The only way you could possibly arrive at your personal beliefs, which you reference throughout your post(s), is by ignoring a good many passages of scripture that detail why the law has not saved and will never save anyone, no exception.

 

[Magenta]

Your personal mashup of grace and law is not biblical.

They believe the 613 laws are written on our hearts...

 

[ocean]

They believe the 613 laws are written on our hearts...

Aha. Didn't know that. Thanks!

 

[CommodoreTeach]

They believe the 613 laws are written on our hearts...

Chiselled, even, as in 10 commandments style. It takes a lot of hardening - like stone - to enable 613 laws to be chiselled onto one's heart.

 

[CommodoreTeach]

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Yes, because those who were not Spiritually Circumcise by Our Lord Jesus have hardened Heart.
Once a man is already Spiritually Circumcise will be given a soft heart.
A Hearth of Flesh.
EZEKIEL 11:19
19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Example of a person who is not Spiritually Circumcise that has a stiff neck or hardened heart is Pharaoh.
EXODUS 14:8
8 And the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursued after the children of Israel: and the children of Israel went out with an high hand.

Don't forget the Jews who stoned Stephen.

Acts 6: 9 - 14
Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen.
And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake.
Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God.
And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council,
And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law:
For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us.

Acts 7:51 - 59
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

 

[Soyeong]

How does a person become 'a child of God'?

The way to believe in God is by directing our lives at being in His likeness by being a doer of His character traits in obedience to His law, and it is by this faith that we become a child of God. For example, by being a doing of good works in obedience to God's law we are testifying about His goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to Him (Matthew 5:16), and by testifying about God's goodness we are expressing the belief that God is good, or in other words we are believing in Him, and the same is true for God's other character traits. The way to believe that God is just is by being in His likeness through being a doer of justice, the way to believe that God is holy is by being a doer of His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy, and so forth. This is also why there are many verses that connect our belief in God with our obedience to Him, such as in Revelation 14:12, those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments.

Your delineation for observance or non-observance of laws specific to matters of gender do not reflect the rudimentary understanding of anyone capable of comprehending the male/female physicalities and I am certain the Israelites did not exhibit confusion concerning their laws either.

It was just an example to illustrate the point that there are legitimate reasons for not following certain laws, which is not what James 2:10 is referring to.

Your personal mashup of grace and law is not biblical.

Grace is a gift and gifts can't be earned, so grace is incompatible with works insofar as they are done to earn a wage (Romans 11:6), however, works can be done for reasons that are compatible with grace. For example, a gift can be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari for an hour, where the gift intrinsically requires them to do the work of driving it in order to have that experience, but where doing that work contributes nothing towards earning the opportunity to drive it.

In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith alone.

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the law is to teach us how to know God and Jesus, which is His gift of eternal life (John 17:3), and which again is the gift of salvation by grace through faith.

In Genesis 6:8-9, Noah found grace in the eyes of God, he was a righteous man, and he walked with God, so God was gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way and he was righteous because he obeyed through faith. In Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience of faith.

In Ephesians 2:8-10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so while Paul denied that we can earn our salvation as the result of our works lest anyone should boast, being made to be a doer of good works in obedience to God's law is nevertheless a central part of God's gift of salvation.

In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so doing those works has absolutely nothing to do with trying to contribute anything towards earning our salvation, but rather God graciously teaching us to be a doer of those works is part of His gift of salvation. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what Jesus spent his ministry teaching by word and by example and in what he accomplished through the cross is by repenting and becoming zealous for being a doer of good works in obedience to God's law (Acts 21:20).

God desires us to be conformed to the image of His Son and that is a process. Salvation happens in the moment; sanctification is our walk with Christ in the power of the Holy Spirit as scripture reveals. You do not state when you accepted Christ.
Sadly, your confusion with the law being a part of salvation negates the very purpose of Christ's sacrifice on our behalf. The only way you could possibly arrive at your personal beliefs, which you reference throughout your post(s), is by ignoring a good many passages of scripture that detail why the law has not saved and will never save anyone, no exception.

The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact image of God's likeness (Hebrews 1:3), which he expressed through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to God's law, so the way to believe in, accept, and be conformed to the likeness of the Son is exactly the same as the Father, namely by being a follower of his example. Aspects of God's character are the fruits of the Spirit. Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so while I completely agree that we can't earn our salvation as the result of our obedience to it, Jesus graciously teaching us to bear the fruits of the Spirit by being a doer of God's law is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it.

According to Titus 2:14, becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law does not negate what Jesus accomplished through the cross, but rather it is in in accordance with it, while the way to negate what he accomplished would be to return to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from.

 

[Dino246]

The way to believe in God is by directing our lives at being in His likeness by being a doer of His character traits in obedience to His law, and it is by this faith that we become a child of God.

What you describe is works, not faith. There's no faith in your false "salvation".

The Bible defines faith in Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." (ESV). It says nothing there about "directing our lives", "being a doer" or "in obedience to His law".

 

[ocean]

The way to believe in God is by directing our lives at being in His likeness by being a doer of His character traits in obedience to His law, and it is by this faith that we become a child of God. For example, by being a doing of good works in obedience to God's law we are testifying about His goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to Him (Matthew 5:16), and by testifying about God's goodness we are expressing the belief that God is good, or in other words we are believing in Him, and the same is true for God's other character traits. The way to believe that God is just is by being in His likeness through being a doer of justice, the way to believe that God is holy is by being a doer of His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy, and so forth. This is also why there are many verses that connect our belief in God with our obedience to Him, such as in Revelation 14:12, those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments.


It was just an example to illustrate the point that there are legitimate reasons for not following certain laws, which is not what James 2:10 is referring to.



Grace is a gift and gifts can't be earned, so grace is incompatible with works insofar as they are done to earn a wage (Romans 11:6), however, works can be done for reasons that are compatible with grace. For example, a gift can be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari for an hour, where the gift intrinsically requires them to do the work of driving it in order to have that experience, but where doing that work contributes nothing towards earning the opportunity to drive it.

In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith alone.

In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the law is to teach us how to know God and Jesus, which is His gift of eternal life (John 17:3), and which again is the gift of salvation by grace through faith.

In Genesis 6:8-9, Noah found grace in the eyes of God, he was a righteous man, and he walked with God, so God was gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way and he was righteous because he obeyed through faith. In Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience of faith.

In Ephesians 2:8-10, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so while Paul denied that we can earn our salvation as the result of our works lest anyone should boast, being made to be a doer of good works in obedience to God's law is nevertheless a central part of God's gift of salvation.

In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so doing those works has absolutely nothing to do with trying to contribute anything towards earning our salvation, but rather God graciously teaching us to be a doer of those works is part of His gift of salvation. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what Jesus spent his ministry teaching by word and by example and in what he accomplished through the cross is by repenting and becoming zealous for being a doer of good works in obedience to God's law (Acts 21:20).


The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact image of God's likeness (Hebrews 1:3), which he expressed through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to God's law, so the way to believe in, accept, and be conformed to the likeness of the Son is exactly the same as the Father, namely by being a follower of his example. Aspects of God's character are the fruits of the Spirit. Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so while I completely agree that we can't earn our salvation as the result of our obedience to it, Jesus graciously teaching us to bear the fruits of the Spirit by being a doer of God's law is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it.

According to Titus 2:14, becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law does not negate what Jesus accomplished through the cross, but rather it is in in accordance with it, while the way to negate what he accomplished would be to return to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from.

You can quote every passage in scripture, but you do not seem to understand salvation.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestined us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Ephesians 1

The way to believe in God is by directing our lives at being in His likeness by being a doer of His character traits in obedience to His law, and it is by this faith that we become a child of God

Please explain how a person starts trying to be like God in order to be saved, when scripture tells us that people have become the opposite of being like God.

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3

 

[Soyeong]

You can quote every passage in scripture, but you do not seem to understand salvation.

Then by all means please explain it.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestined us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Ephesians 1

In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, so verses that refer to those who are in Christ like that passage from Ephesians are only referring to those who are following Christ's example of walking in obedience to God's law.

Please explain how a person starts trying to be like God in order to be saved, when scripture tells us that people have become the opposite of being like God.

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3

By repenting from our sin. God's way is the way to know Him by being in His likeness through being a doer of His character traits, sin is what is contrary to God's way, such as with unrighteousness being sin, and sin is the transgression of God's law because it was given to teach us how to walk in God's way (1 Kings 2:1-3). Jesus saves us from our sin by graciously teaching us to walk in God's way. In Genesis 6:8-9, Noah found grace in the eyes of God, he was a righteous man, and he walked with God, so God was gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way and he was righteous because he obeyed through faith. Likewise, in Luke 1:5-6, Zechariah and Elizabeth were described as righteous, so it is not the case that no one is righteous, but rather Romans 3:10 is quoting from Psalms 14:1-3, which says that no one is righteous among those who say that there is no God. While all of sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, our lives can still be directed as being a doer of God's character traits if we repent when we have sinned.

 

[Dino246]

In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, so verses that refer to those who are in Christ like that passage from Ephesians are only referring to those who are following Christ's example of walking in obedience to God's law.

Do you honestly think that's all there is to it? Just "walk in obedience to God's law" and you'll be saved? Saved from what? Saved for what? What is the benefit of being saved in your world, such that you would "walk in obedience to God's law" to obtain it?

Why did Jesus have to die on the cross, if all we have to do to be saved is to "walk in obedience to God's law"? Even if you can't answer the other questions, please answer this one.

 

[Inquisitor]

Then by all means please explain it.


In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, so verses that refer to those who are in Christ like that passage from Ephesians are only referring to those who are following Christ's example of walking in obedience to God's law.


By repenting from our sin. God's way is the way to know Him by being in His likeness through being a doer of His character traits, sin is what is contrary to God's way, such as with unrighteousness being sin, and sin is the transgression of God's law because it was given to teach us how to walk in God's way (1 Kings 2:1-3). Jesus saves us from our sin by graciously teaching us to walk in God's way. In Genesis 6:8-9, Noah found grace in the eyes of God, he was a righteous man, and he walked with God, so God was gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way and he was righteous because he obeyed through faith. Likewise, in Luke 1:5-6, Zechariah and Elizabeth were described as righteous, so it is not the case that no one is righteous, but rather Romans 3:10 is quoting from Psalms 14:1-3, which says that no one is righteous among those who say that there is no God. While all of sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, our lives can still be directed as being a doer of God's character traits if we repent when we have sinned.

Have a long think about the next verse and what Paul is actually saying to the Greeks.

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

That is the gospel.

 

[Soyeong]

Have a long think about the next verse and what Paul is actually saying to the Greeks.

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

That is the gospel.

In 1 John 2:4, those who say that they know Jesus, but don't obey his commands are liars and the truth is not in them, in 1 John 3:4-6, those who continue to be doers of sin have neither seen nor known him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because never knew them. In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to know Jesus, the way to believe in what he spent his ministry teaching by word and by example, and the way to believe in what he accomplished through the cross is by repenting and becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law (Acts 21:20).

 

[ocean]

Then by all means please explain it.

Explain what? Why do you post scripture that is unrelated to salvation?

In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, so verses that refer to those who are in Christ like that passage from Ephesians are only referring to those who are following Christ's example of walking in obedience to God's law.

So when scripture tells us that we have salvation only through the sacrifice of Christ, you do what? walk in the other direction it seems.
There is nothing whatsoever about following any law in the verses I quoted. And you know that.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Ephesians 1

By repenting from our sin. God's way is the way to know Him by being in His likeness through being a doer of His character traits, sin is what is contrary to God's way, such as with unrighteousness being sin, and sin is the transgression of God's law because it was given to teach us how to walk in God's way (1 Kings 2:1-3). Jesus saves us from our sin by graciously teaching us to walk in God's way. In Genesis 6:8-9, Noah found grace in the eyes of God, he was a righteous man, and he walked with God, so God was gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way and he was righteous because he obeyed through faith. Likewise, in Luke 1:5-6, Zechariah and Elizabeth were described as righteous, so it is not the case that no one is righteous, but rather Romans 3:10 is quoting from Psalms 14:1-3, which says that no one is righteous among those who say that there is no God. While all of sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, our lives can still be directed as being a doer of God's character traits if we repent when we have sinned.

Scripture word salad. You know, at this point, it seems you are determined to avoid both the facts and the context of the word. You have not responded to actually relaying how a person is saved, or becomes a believer and works are not evidence of knowing God.
In fact, we are told that Jesus is our Sabbath rest and we rest in Him and there is salvation under no other name than His. There are myriad agencies in this world that purport to 'do good' without God so your determination to present works as the way to know God is not found in scripture.

You had better hope it is not our works that God accepts or no one will be saved. ALL of our righteousness is a filthy rag to God. That's a verse in scripture that you might try to find and apply it to your belief that your works are the way to know God. Jesus said that if we have seen Him, then we have seen the Father. Have you seen Jesus?

Anyway, you avoid any questions with regards to salvation so it would seem your only desire is to talk about your works. I shall leave you to it.