God had given us a commandment the Tithes & Offerings. How people today followed the commandment?

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posthuman said:
Oh you mean the apostles who were full time students 24hr a day with Jesus for 3 years, to whom they and they alone it was told, they didn't need man to teach them?

or do you mean you yourself, who didn't know anything unless a man wrote down the letter n the gospel and another man preached and taught it to you, after it was taught to you?

does "go and make disciples" mean to go blindly exhorting ignorance? is that what it really means to be a "disciple" - - to spurn discipline?
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The disciples were not full time student. They also a job for living same as Jesus Christ since they followed Jesus way.
Like Paul is a tentmaker same as them. Then they only share the truth during Sabbath Day which is the equivalent today is Sunday.
ACTS 18:3-5
3 And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
5 And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.
 
posthuman said:
wow you botched that.

Jesus is not, as you say, proclaiming He is not good.

Whoever is not good, is evil.
You are saying Jesus is evil.
not cool.

Jesus is saying He is God.

... so much for the perfection-is-via-willful-ignorance position.
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It doesn't follow.

I proclaim Jesus is God.
 
Godsgood said:
The disciples were not full time student. They also a job for living same as Jesus Christ since they followed Jesus way.
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i suppose since you have apparently never been a student, you don't know that they also work, even while they study.
 
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Godsgood said:
It doesn't follow.

I proclaim Jesus is God.
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when Dino asked you to plainly state whether Christ is God, instead of directly answering, you said only God is good and that Jesus is not - i.e. that Jesus is not God, and Jesus is evil:

Godsgood said:
he said, God is Good and himself is not Good
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how can you say Jesus is God, but also say Jesus is evil and is not God?

one of these things, you certainly did not say well.
 
posthuman said:
when Dino asked you to plainly state whether Christ is God, instead of directly answering, you said only God is good and that Jesus is not - i.e. that Jesus is not God, and Jesus is evil:



how can you say Jesus is God, but also say Jesus is evil and is not God?

one of these things, you certainly did not say well.
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That is in the other thread. Why don't you go and make a comment on that thread so
posthuman said:
wow you botched that.

Jesus is not, as you say, proclaiming He is not good.

Whoever is not good, is evil.
You are saying Jesus is evil.
not cool.

Jesus is saying He is God.

... so much for the perfection-is-via-willful-ignorance position.
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Again, it doesn't follow.
How would you say those who are not good are evil?
ROMANS 3:10-12
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
 
posthuman said:
when Dino asked you to plainly state whether Christ is God, instead of directly answering, you said only God is good and that Jesus is not - i.e. that Jesus is not God, and Jesus is evil:



how can you say Jesus is God, but also say Jesus is evil and is not God?

one of these things, you certainly did not say well.
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To tell Jesus that he is God is not that simple.
To tell Jesus is a God it requires a revelation or miracle from the Father.
MATTHEW 16:15-17
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
 
posthuman said:
when Dino asked you to plainly state whether Christ is God, instead of directly answering, you said only God is good and that Jesus is not - i.e. that Jesus is not God, and Jesus is evil:



how can you say Jesus is God, but also say Jesus is evil and is not God?

one of these things, you certainly did not say well.
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I did not say Jesus is evil. It is in your own conclusion and you are the one who is saying that.
 
posthuman said:
wow you botched that.

Jesus is not, as you say, proclaiming He is not good.

Whoever is not good, is evil.
You are saying Jesus is evil.
not cool.

Jesus is saying He is God.

... so much for the perfection-is-via-willful-ignorance position.
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Anybody could say to Jesus that he is a God.
Believing Jesus is a God is not a basis to salvation.
MATTHEW 7:21
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

But knowing Jesus Christ by the revelation of the Father is a basis to Salvation.
MATTHEW 11:27
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
 
Dino246 said:
If you say Jesus is not good, then you are saying he is evil. You don’t have a third option.
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If the recognition to Jesus is come from the Father, it is so easy to reconcile "Jesus is God to John 5:19 & Luke 18:18-19.

But if the recognition to Jesus is coming from a man then it is very difficult to reconcile them and it will never be.
 
posthuman said:
Oh you mean the apostles who were full time students 24hr a day with Jesus for 3 years, to whom they and they alone it was told, they didn't need man to teach them?

or do you mean you yourself, who didn't know anything unless a man wrote down the letter n the gospel and another man preached and taught it to you, after it was taught to you?

does "go and make disciples" mean to go blindly exhorting ignorance? is that what it really means to be a "disciple" - - to spurn discipline?
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All the words written in the Holy Bible are from God.
Because the Word is God
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

It is inappropriate to say "unless a man wrote down the letter n the gospel and another man preached and taught it to you, after it was taught to you?"
 
Godsgood said:
All the words written in the Holy Bible are from God.
Because the Word is God
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

It is inappropriate to say "unless a man wrote down the letter n the gospel and another man preached and taught it to you, after it was taught to you?"
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There’s a nuance you seem to have missed: where “Word” is capitalized, it means Jesus. Where it is not, it means Bible.
 
Godsgood said:
If the recognition to Jesus is come from the Father, it is so easy to reconcile "Jesus is God to John 5:19 & Luke 18:18-19.

But if the recognition to Jesus is coming from a man then it is very difficult to reconcile them and it will never be.
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Your comment doesn’t relate to my point.
 
Godsgood said:
How would you say those who are not good are evil?
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lol you think there's an in-between?

so you say Jesus isn't good, but He's not evil either?
He has no qualities? or you forgive Him because you're.. well, you aren't good either.

well what does He say?

Matthew 7:11​
If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!​
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He's talking to believers, not pharisees. this is the sermon on the mount.

so here is the Word of God:
  • you're not good
  • you're evil
please post the verse that says you're neither
 
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Godsgood said:
But if the recognition to Jesus is coming from a man then it is very difficult to reconcile them and it will never be.
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it's 100% straightforward.
Jesus did not say He is not good.
He asked why someone is calling Him good, but not acknowledging He is God - because clearly only God is good.

he tested the young rich pharisee to show him what he lacked.
 
Matthew 8:8​
The centurion answered and said, ​
"Lord, I am not worthy"​

Matthew 8:10​
When Jesus heard, He marveled, and said to those who followed, ​
"Amen Amen I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel!" ​
 
posthuman said:
it's 100% straightforward.
Jesus did not say He is not good.
He asked why someone is calling Him good, but not acknowledging He is God - because clearly only God is good.

he tested the young rich pharisee to show him what he lacked.
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It is very clear that Jesus rejected the complimentary of the ruler.
What is the issue if Jesus said Thank You. But the complimentary is not for him as the Son of God.
LUKE 18:18-19
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

The reason is the recognition of the ruler to Jesus is coming from a Man only and not a revelation from the Father. That is why Jesus did not admit to him that he is the Everlasting Father.

But in this scene Jesus accepted the complimentary as the Everlasting Father because the recognition of the malefactor to Jesus was a revelation from the Father. Yes, he did not say Into The Kingdom of your Father but Into Your Kingdom.
LUKE 23:42-43
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
 
Dino246 said:
There’s a nuance you seem to have missed: where “Word” is capitalized, it means Jesus. Where it is not, it means Bible.
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Reading the bible by using your own understanding, God will not give you wisdom..
This is Jesus:
REVELATION 19:13
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

HEBREWS 10:7
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Words of God, written in the Book (Bible) = Jesus.

PROVERBS 3:5
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
 
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