Have You Ever Traded One Vice (Bad Habit) For Another? One Thing, One Thing, Leads to Another... (for those who remember the song!)

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Lynx

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I'm not even a gamer, and even I have to stand in awe of how effective, albeit, frightening, gamification can be.

Robinhood, the investment brokerage, got in trouble for gamifying their app too much -- handing out digital stars and graphics when people made trades, etc., just like in a video game -- but it was also enticing people to make more trades, and therefore take bigger risks with their money.

I have a walking app on my phone and sometimes the only reason I go walking is to get the confetti and/or earn a higher level on the app.

I tried installing a new walking app last year on my phone, but went back to this one because it has a lot more categories for you to be able to earn "rewards" -- even though they mean nothing.
Comedian quote:

I wanted to get a Fitbit but I'm too poor. So I got a discount version from the dollar store.

My friend's Fitbit gives her encouraging messages, like "good job!" when she walks a certain number of steps. My version is a lot more passive aggressive. "Would it kill you to eat an apple?" "You're going to have to walk 738 miles to work off the meal you just ate."
 

Lynx

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Fascinating thought about video games being a parallel to an umbilical cord...

From the gaming channels I've listened to, there have been discussions about games being very cathartic because men often feel defeated, directionless, or not very significant in everyday life.

Maybe they have a boss that constantly yells at them, a feeling of lack of purpose, and their own households seem to ignore them.

But the gaming world provides a constant and ready alternative source of reinforcement -- objectives and "purpose", defeating big bosses, "accomplishing" tasks and "planning out strategies" that lead to victory, being a hero and getting the girl -- all things men are designed to want.

And if they can't or don't want to achieve this in real life, I can see how gaming makes a quick, artificial, and very addictive substitute, especially when mixed with... adult situations.
It was actually kind of surprising, not to mention disheartening, when I found out about this. I always blithely played through games for the stories. When I googled tips and tricks on a game and started running into gamer egos it was something of a culture shock.

There is a game called wasteland 2. Among all kinds of ranged weapons, it also has three different classes of melee weapons. Blunt, blade and brass knuckles. People almost come to virtual blows on the internet about which of the three is best. They will bring out spreadsheets and esoteric calculations to prove that their preferred method of melee fighting is better than the other two... And none of it matters, because a broadside of sniper shots will pick off anybody before getting into melee range anyway.

I am currently playing fallout london, a total conversion mod of fallout 4. Fallout 4 on normal is a nice romp through post-nuclear war Boston. Fallout 4 on survival difficulty is a challenge. Fallout London on normal is almost as hard as fallout 4 on survival. And then there is fallout London on survival mode...

But people still play fallout London on survival mode, because it is available and their pride will not allow them to play on anything less than the most difficult mode provided. And they gripe and complain terribly about how difficult it is! But they never even consider the possibility of just turning the difficulty down. Oh no, that would be an abrogation of their basic gamer sensibilities.

"I play stalker on Master difficulty with pistol only, because that's the only real way to play the game!" That is what somebody on the internet actually said, and he wasn't just being sarcastic.

It's a game. It was designed to be conquered.

Sigh...
 
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Actually Jesus discussed this very thing....

It was not one of those "Awwww, I love you" type messages either...

(Not advocating in favor of having or sustaining a vice)

But....
Essentially what He said was that many people pick up the vice/sin of Self-Righteousness, unforgiveness, and Comdemmation of others to replace the vice/sin that they successfully overcame. And that is the WORST SIN other than unbelief. (Which is the deadly sin)


The name "Israel" in Hebrew means literally "struggles with God" meaning that at the same time we struggle with sin.

We are human. We will NOT ever win our battles with sin. (Which is why we are desperate for a Savior)
But it's the struggling that matters. Our honest efforts to win these battles that matter...not the victory over them and definitely the person for whom we pick up the struggle for...that matters too.


Because....if I've heard it once I've heard it a thousand times. Theres no one who treats tobacco smokers half as bad as a former smoker.
indeed....they are brutal. Especially if they still smoke a cigarette or cigar occasionally.
Just my two cents.

Good observation
 
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I don't think I've developed too many bad habits over the course of my life. There was a period when my breakfast consisted of numerous handfuls of starbursts and a pound of Strawberry Yoplait yogurt. I'm sure all that yogurt wasn't good for me :). When Yoplait first starting appearing on store shelves, it came in one pound containers and those containers cost 50 cents each. The strawberry Yoplait had nice sweet strawberries inside, several of them in each container. It was a great product. Along with that I'd eat lots and lots of starbursts which I'd get for about a dollar for a one pound bag. Before I left for work I'd put 2 or 3 more handfuls of starbursts in my pocket. I did this every morning for quite a long time. Not sure when I changed my breakfast practices.

That's about the only bad habit I can think of at the moment that I had. If I do want to stop something/change something I need to go all in 100%. Several years ago, I decided I'd eliminate all sweets from my diet and try to avoid any product that contained high fructose corn syrup. I'd hoped to lower my A1C reading just a bit. Interestingly, I became aware of the reality that people are always offering me sweets, and I'd have to say no thank you. Some people didn't like me saying no, so I started saying I could take some of the offered sweet to my wife. I persisted with the no sweets diet for several years, but after seeing no change to my A1C (it actually went up a tenth of a point), I decided I'd return to eating the occasional sweet.

As far as advice... You've got to know what will work for you and then stick with it. For me it would have to be cold turkey. For others you could just cut down on doing something. Know yourself, and lose those bad habits!
Haha?
 
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Skyrim... Ugh.

Skyrim had so many things wrong with it. The 2 mile wide, one centimeter deep plot line was just the tip of the iceberg.

The first time I fought a dragon it was thrilling. I was dodging fireballs and slinging arrows, just barely hanging on. By the 14th dragon, it was kind of boring.

If you are fighting a dragon and it is boring, something is very, very wrong.
...maybe duel with some fire breathing dragons.
 

Lynx

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I've been married five times. Is that like trading one habit for another?
"I've about decided to give up on getting married. I'm just gonna go out every three or four years, find a woman I can't stand and buy her a house. It'll come out the same, with less aggravation and ulcers."


Lewis Grizzard: "I didn't know it was getting so bad until I saw a car on the freeway the other day with a bumper sticker, honk if you been married to Lewis Grizzard."
 
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The rabbi I used to frequently tune in to, with interest for his philosophical insights, offered basically the same outlooks about smoking and gaming. He said, he would pose the question to parents of school aged children, "would you rather that your child cheat on an exam or smoke?" He argued that smoking was better because the other was a moral failure and he touted the benefits of gaming, although I don't recall what they are but that's probably because I'm also not that big of big gamer.
Have to say i disagree. Smoking can be addictive. Making it harder to quit. Cheating can more easily be discouraged through consequences that children can understand easier.
Also, kids cheat sometimes. Doesn't make it ok, but even good kids can give it a try, even if its only once.
 
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I recently bought several bags of chips to go with the great home-made stews I made so I wouldn't eat out as much. I ate all the chips and I ate out just as much as I did before I wanted to cut back . :oops:
 
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Skyrim... Ugh.

Skyrim had so many things wrong with it. The 2 mile wide, one centimeter deep plot line was just the tip of the iceberg.

The first time I fought a dragon it was thrilling. I was dodging fireballs and slinging arrows, just barely hanging on. By the 14th dragon, it was kind of boring.

If you are fighting a dragon and it is boring, something is very, very wrong.
I'm not really a lore person, so I couldn't care less about how good or bad plot lines are.
Eh. To me it shows the growth and increased power of the character. So I'm not bothered. To me it makes sense they get easier.
 

Karlon

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Hey Everyone,

I have often said that sugar is the bane of my existence. I grew up with a health-conscious mother who limited our intake as best she could, but seeing as I think I was born with a full set of sweet teeth (not just a mere sweet tooth,) once I got out on my own and could buy my own groceries, it's been a struggle.

My latest downfalls are usually a handful of chocolate chips (which can easily turn into half a bag in one sitting,) and fig newton cookies (I could easily clear out a full sleeve or more in a day if I don't watch it.) Right now I don't let myself buy any other sweets. The reason I choose chocolate chips is because I try to eat them one at a time, in an effort to slow down and control my consumption. The fig newtons are to try to calm my cravings for cookies and cakes with frosting. I've tried substituting fruit but that has its pitfalls as well -- at one point, I was literally eating a couple of bananas and 6 oranges in a day.

One way I try to slow myself down is to not allow myself to have something sweet until later in the day (though sometimes this doesn't help, as it can be too easy to "overcompensate.") However, the past few days, I'd been doing pretty well. I even astonished myself by getting through almost a full day without reaching for anything sweet (but admittedly conked out before I got the finish line.)

But when I tried to review why I'd come so close to "success" -- I realize it was because I'd been eating tater tots instead. Growing up, we hardly ever had fried foods and while I love some fried things, I don't crave them as much and can go without them for a long time. Unfortunately, I passed some place last week that smelled so delectable with fried fast food goodness, I came home and found myself eating tater tots the next 3 days. (This is also why I don't put much effort into cooking or baking -- if I did, I'd be making rich foods all the time and would be a goner.)

To my dismay, I found that I wasn't making any progress at all. I had simply exchanged one vice -- sugar -- for another -- fried food. ARGH!!

I've read that this kind of thing happens a lot with smokers -- they might eating mints or candy instead of smoking, and the next thing you know, they've gained 20 pounds.

Has something like this ever happened to you or others you know?

* Have you ever tried so hard to cut down or quit on something, only to replace it with something else that was just as bad, annoying, or worse? Other examples might include video games, alcohol, sugary drinks, biting your nails, sleeping too little or too much, etc.

* Did you then find yourself having to quit both the habit you started out with AND the habit you tried to replace it with?

* If you DID find an acceptable substitute, what worked for you?

* What advice would you give to anyone trying to cut down or replace one undesirable habit for another?

I'm guessing this actually happens to people quite often, so I'd be very interested in hearing about what others have found that works -- or doesn't.
1. no.
2. no. this reminds when i started my best band ever in. twas' January 4th, 1980. i said to myself, "i'm going to quit smoking pot & drinking because we are going to be good". i didn't have to try to quit either, i quit immediately with out trying, just like that.
5. admit, identify, recognize & correct! remove the old conditioned response that you can't stop this or that & tell yourself you will quit NOW. DON'T TRY, JUST QUIT!!!!!!! reminds me of James 4:7 resist the devil, don't fight him!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Skyrim... Ugh.

Skyrim had so many things wrong with it. The 2 mile wide, one centimeter deep plot line was just the tip of the iceberg.

The first time I fought a dragon it was thrilling. I was dodging fireballs and slinging arrows, just barely hanging on. By the 14th dragon, it was kind of boring.

If you are fighting a dragon and it is boring, something is very, very wrong.
actually, if its 2miles wide, im pretty sure its the tip of the polar ice block.
 

enril

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Have to say i disagree. Smoking can be addictive. Making it harder to quit. Cheating can more easily be discouraged through consequences that children can understand easier.
Also, kids cheat sometimes. Doesn't make it ok, but even good kids can give it a try, even if its only once.
from my experience its harder to cheat than it is to just do it.... never doing that again.
 

enril

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actually, if its 2miles wide, im pretty sure its the tip of the polar ice block.
@Lynx have yo played flare:empyrean campaign? it doesn't get to that point. i have not beat the final boss yet but the finale to the story is locked behind it. it is not an easy boss.
 

Lynx

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@Lynx have yo played flare:empyrean campaign? it doesn't get to that point. i have not beat the final boss yet but the finale to the story is locked behind it. it is not an easy boss.
Never heard of it before now.

Looks like standard Diablo or Arcanum gameplay. Not a game for me (though I did really like Arcanum) but definitely a game for somebody.