Hell

[tonto]

We all know what Jesus has said Himself in the Gospels. Noone is denying that hell (Gehenna) and the lake of fire exists. It is a matter of WHEN it exists, and what happens to those cast into it. Here is a short breakdown. Read what the Bible and Thayer's Dictionary says. I didn't make this up.

WHEN

Matthew 13:40 "As therefore the tares [the children of the wicked one - v.38] are gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be in the end of this world."

How could the tares be burning at death if the end of this world has yet to come?

2 Peter 2:9 "The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:"

reserve (G5083) [tereo]
1. to attend to carefully, take care of
a. to guard
b. metaphorically to keep, one in the state in which he is
c. to observe
d. to reserve: to undergo something

If the unjust are reserved until the day of judgment to be punished, how are they punished beforehand?

WHAT HAPPENS

Psalm 37:9-10 "For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yeah, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be."

cut off (H3772) [karath]
1. to cut, cut off, cut down, cut off a body part, cut out, eliminate, kill, cut a covenant
a. (Qal)
1. to cut off
a. to cut off a body part, behead
2. to cut down
3. to hew
4. to cut or make a covenant
b. (Niphal)
1. to be cut off
2. to be cut down
3. to be chewed
4. to be cut off, fail
c. (Pual)
1. to be cut off
2. to be cut down
d. (Hiphil)
1. to cut off
2. to cut off, destroy
3. to cut down, destroy
4. to take away
5. to permit to perish

Psalm 37:20 "But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away."

perish (H6) [abad]
1. perish, vanish, go astray, be destroyed
a. (Qal)
1. perish, die, be exterminated
2. perish, vanish (figuratively)
3. be lost, strayed
b. (Piel)
1. to destroy, kill, cause to perish, to give up
2. to blot out, do away with, cause to vanish, (figuratively)
3. cause to stray, lose
c. (Hiphil)
1. to destroy, put to death
a. of divine judgment
2. object name of kings (figuratively)

consume; consume away (H3615) [kalah]
1. to accomplish, cease, consume, determine, end, fail, finish, be complete, be accomplished, be ended, be at an end, be finished, be spent
a. (Qal)
1. to be complete, be at an end
2. to be completed, be finished
3. to be accomplished, be fulfilled
4. to be determined, be plotted (bad sense)
5. to be spent, be used up
6. to waste away, be exhausted, fail
7. to come to an end, vanish, perish, be destroyed
b. (Piel)
1. to complete, bring to an end, finish
2. to complete (a period of time)
3. to finish (doing a thing)
4. to make an end, end
5. to accomplish, fulfill, bring to pass
6. to accomplish, determine (in thought)
7. to put an end to, cause to cease
8. to cause to fail, exhaust, use up, spend
9. to destroy, exterminate
c. (Pual) to be finished, be ended, be completed

Psalm 37:38 "But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off."

destroyed (H8045) [shamad]
1. to destroy, exterminate, be destroyed, be exterminated
a. (Niphal)
1. to be annihilated, be exterminated
2. to be destroyed, be devastated
b. (Hiphil)
1. to annihilate, exterminate
2. to destroy

cut off *same as above

EVEN THE FAMOUS JOHN 3:16 MENTIONS DESTRUCTION IN CONTRAST TO ETERNAL LIFE

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

perish (G622) [apollumi]
1. to destroy
a. to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin
b. render useless
c. to kill
d. to declare that one must be put to death
e. metaphorically to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell
f. to perish, to be lost, ruined, destroyed
2. to destroy
a. to lose

God Bless

Sola, I have cautioned you before about making common sense. It's unacceptable.

 

[tonto]

​SBASS is SeaBass..a user here..

Don't reckon I know him.

 

[tonto]

Good place to come, if you value an answer from Ellen G. White, anyway. Now, that would imply a personal problem...

Another hater. This board is full of haters disguising themselves as Christians.

 

[VCO]

Another hater. This board is full of haters disguising themselves as Christians.

Identifying false prophets and naming them is not hate. Paul himself did it, and left it as an example of how we are to protect the flock from false prophets.

1 Timothy 1:18-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Timothy, my son, I am giving you this instruction in keeping with the prophecies previously made about you, so that by them you may strongly engage in battle,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] having faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and have suffered the shipwreck of their faith.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Hymenaeus and Alexander are among them, and I have delivered them to Satan, so that they may be taught not to blaspheme.

Isaiah 44:25-26 (GW)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] I cause the signs of false prophets to fail and make fools of fortunetellers. I make wise men retreat and turn their knowledge into foolishness.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] He confirms the word of his servant and fulfills the plan of his messengers. He says about Jerusalem, “It will be inhabited.” He says about the cities of Judah, “They will be rebuilt.” He says about their ruins, “I will restore them.”

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WAS ELLEN WHITE EVER PROVEN TO BE A FALSE PROPHET

Does Mrs. White pass the Biblical Tests of a Prophet?

Lucinda Burdick and Ellen Harmon [White] were close friends during the mid-1840s. Mrs. Burdick, the wife of a pastor, had many opportunities to hear Mrs. White's prophecies. (Can you trust Lucinda Burdick? Click here.) The following is Mrs. Burdick's eyewitness testimony of a prophecy Mrs. White made:

"During the year 1845 I met Miss Ellen G. Harmon several times at my uncle's house in South Windham, Me. The first of these meetings was in the month of May, when I heard her declare that God had revealed to her that Jesus Christ would return to this earth in June, the next month." (Lucinda Burdick, notarized letter, published in Limboline)​

Pass or Fail? FAILURE!

Ellen Harmon said "God revealed to her" that Jesus would come in June of 1845. This is a failed prophecy.
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Mrs. Burdick again testifies:

"During the haying season I again met her in company with James White at the same place, and heard my uncle ask her about the failure of the Lord to appear in June according to her visions. She replied that she had been told in the language of Canaan which she did not understand; but that she had since come to understand that Christ would return in September, at the second growth of grass instead of the first." (Ibid.)​

Pass or Fail? FAILURE!

Did Christ return in September of 1845? Obviously not.

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In 1849, Mrs. White penned these memorable words:

"What we have seen and heard of the pestilence [of 1849], is but the beginning of what we shall see and hear. Soon the dead and dying will be all around us." (Present Truth, Sept. 1849).​

Pass or Fail? FAILURE!

The "pestilence" she was describing turned out to be a local phenomenom, not a sign of the imminent end of the world. Not long after this prophecy was penned the pestilence ended and the United States entered a period of peace and prosperity that lasted for many years. She said "soon the dead and dying will be all around us." What does soon mean? It has been nearly 160 years! She said the dead would be around "us". That included her. She was saying the dead would be around her. This never happened in her lifetime. Another prophetic failure.
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In 1850 Sister White tells us what her angel told her:

"My accompanying angel said, 'Time is almost finished. Get ready, get ready, get ready.' . . . now time is almost finished. . . and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months." (Early Writings, pp. 64-67)​

Pass or Fail? FAILURE!

The context of this statement is undeniable. New converts will have to learn the doctrines in a "few months" because "now time is almost finished." The reduction in learning time is not because new converts are smarter than the older ones, nor is it because the Adventists developed an accelerated learning course. No, the context clearly states the reason they will have to learn quickly: "time is almost finished."
What is a reasonable definition of the phrase "a few months"? Three? Five? If your friend called you up and said, "I'll be over to visit in a few months", when would you expect him? Three or four months, perhaps six at the most? Well, as of the end of 2006 it has been about one thousand eight hundred and seventy-two months since Mrs. White said only a "few months" remained! She was certainly saying there were not "years" or "decades" left, because she said that what earlier converts had learned in "years", recent converts would have to learn in "months."
How can this failure be explained? Perhaps this is yet another case of her misunderstanding what her angel said. Perhaps her angel spoke in the language of Canaan again!
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Here is another infamous prediction made by Mrs. White:

"Slavery will again be revived in the Southern States; for the spirit of slavery still lives. Therefore it will not do for those who labor among the colored people to preach the truth as boldly and openly as they would be free to do in other places. Even Christ clothed His lessons in figures and parables to avoid the opposition of the Pharisees." (Spalding & Magan Collection, page 21 and 2 MR #153, page 300)​

Pass or Fail? FAILURE!

Was slavery ever revived "in the Southern United States"? Of course not! Since the Civil War ended it has been a federal crime to engage in slavery. Since the end of the Civil War there have been a few criminal operations that engaged in slave-labor, but when they are discovered by authorities, they are shut down and the owners are jailed. Slavery was permanently abolished and it will never be revived again in the United States. Any person can choose to live and work any place they want to. Thanks be to God, slavery is dead and gone. This is another prophetic debacle.
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Plus many more false prophecies are documented on that site.

A few other sites that expose the false prophecies of Ellen White include:

http://www.1timothy4-13.com/files/bible/sda_morefailed.html

Seventh-day Adventist view Ellen G. White as an inspired prophet

A True Prophet?

So what does the Bible tell us to do with a false phrophet's reputation and teachings?

Deuteronomy 18:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But the prophet who dares to speak a message in My name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods—that prophet must die.’

Deuteronomy 18:22 (HCSB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] When a prophet speaks in the LORD’s name, and the message does not come true or is not fulfilled, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him. [The type of fear it is talking about the reverent respect of one who speaks from GOD.]

So how do you put to death the reverent respect of a proven false prophet and his or her teachings? ? ?

SIMPLE, you stop reading their books and teachings.

 

[tonto]

Identifying false prophets and naming them is not hate. Paul himself did it, and left it as an example of how we are to protect the flock from false prophets.

1 Timothy 1:18-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Timothy, my son, I am giving you this instruction in keeping with the prophecies previously made about you, so that by them you may strongly engage in battle,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] having faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and have suffered the shipwreck of their faith.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Hymenaeus and Alexander are among them, and I have delivered them to Satan, so that they may be taught not to blaspheme.

Isaiah 44:25-26 (GW)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] I cause the signs of false prophets to fail and make fools of fortunetellers. I make wise men retreat and turn their knowledge into foolishness.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] He confirms the word of his servant and fulfills the plan of his messengers. He says about Jerusalem, “It will be inhabited.” He says about the cities of Judah, “They will be rebuilt.” He says about their ruins, “I will restore them.”

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WAS ELLEN WHITE EVER PROVEN TO BE A FALSE PROPHET

A few other sites that expose the false prophecies of Ellen White include:

http://www.1timothy4-13.com/files/bible/sda_morefailed.html

Seventh-day Adventist view Ellen G. White as an inspired prophet

A True Prophet?

So what does the Bible tell us to do with a false phrophet's reputation and teachings?

Deuteronomy 18:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But the prophet who dares to speak a message in My name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods—that prophet must die.’

Deuteronomy 18:22 (HCSB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] When a prophet speaks in the LORD’s name, and the message does not come true or is not fulfilled, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him. [The type of fear it is talking about the reverent respect of one who speaks from GOD.]

So how do you put to death the reverent respect of a proven false prophet and his or her teachings? ? ?

SIMPLE, you stop reading their books and teachings.

Actually I haven't read any of her publicans but if she and the JW's teach that Hell is only the grave and nothing more, then at least she and the JW's have that going for them which is more than the Baptists have.

 

[VCO]

I like the Baptists myself. They've got it down pat.

The Baptists have condemned everyone except themselves. They don't really do anything but sing a few hymns and pay their tithes. When the Tribulation comes, the Baptists are simply going to be raptured away to the safety of Heaven where they can play their harps and eat grapes in their mansions while mankind on earth is tortured and killed. That's the religion to belong to.

FOR YOUR INFO. What you call the Rapture, I prefer to call "THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to the Wedding of the Lamb". The purpose is We Believers are part the Bride of Christ, and there is CERTAINLY GOING TO BE A WEDDING IN HEAVEN. You do not want to be there? That would be your porblem, not ours. I am not Baptist, but I have almost the same beliefs as they do. I am a non-charismatic Conservative Evangelical, who attends non-denominational a Community Bible Church. For the readers who want to learn more about the "THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE", check out my thread: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ng-out-bride-go-wedding-lamb.html#post1604022

AMEN for the Baptists and SEVERAL OTHER MAINLINE DENOMINATIONS! Jesus Christ recognized Seven TYPES of Churches in the first three Chapters of Revelation, WHO ARE WE TO RECOGNIZE LESS!

Wow, did you ever open your mouth and insert your foot!

You CERTAINLY ARE WRONG thinking all Baptists do is sign hymns and pay their tithes.

MOST Baptist Churches teach the Word of GOD in one hour sermons, every time they meet.

The Southern Baptists, NOT COUNTING the other Baptist denominations, have over 5,500 missionaries overseas.

There are 48 Baptist Colleges and Universities throughout the USA.

There are NUMEROUS Baptist Hospitals and Healthcare agencies, some are also overseas.

http://www.neacfoundation.org/Home

http://www.bshp.edu/

Charitable Choices - baptist world alliance

https://baptisthealth.net/en/about-baptist-health/pages/charitable-care.aspx

Maranatha Baptist Mission

http://www.baptistworldmission.org/

Baptist International Missions, Inc.

ETC., ETC., ETC.

NOW, here is one for your enjoyment:

[video=youtube;nWNVJs46fVQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWNVJs46fVQ[/video]

 

[tonto]

FOR YOUR INFO. What you call the Rapture, I prefer to call "THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to the Wedding of the Lamb". The purpose is We Believers are part the Bride of Christ, and there is CERTAINLY GOING TO BE A WEDDING IN HEAVEN. You do not want to be there? That would be your porblem, not ours. I am not Baptist, but I have almost the same beliefs as they do. I am a non-charismatic Conservative Evangelical, who attends non-denominational a Community Bible Church. For the readers who want to learn more about the "THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE", check out my thread: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ng-out-bride-go-wedding-lamb.html#post1604022

AMEN for the Baptists and SEVERAL OTHER MAINLINE DENOMINATIONS! Jesus Christ recognized Seven TYPES of Churches in the first three Chapters of Revelation, WHO ARE WE TO RECOGNIZE LESS!

Wow, did you ever open your mouth and insert your foot!

You CERTAINLY ARE WRONG thinking all Baptists do is sign hymns and pay their tithes.

MOST Baptist Churches teach the Word of GOD in one hour sermons, every time they meet.

The Southern Baptists, NOT COUNTING the other Baptist denominations, have over 5,500 missionaries overseas.

There are 48 Baptist Colleges and Universities throughout the USA.

There are NUMEROUS Baptist Hospitals and Healthcare agencies, some are also overseas.

NEA Baptist Charitable Foundation - Home Page

Home - Baptist Health System - School of Health Professions

Charitable Choices - baptist world alliance

https://baptisthealth.net/en/about-baptist-health/pages/charitable-care.aspx

Maranatha Baptist Mission

Baptist World Mission - Baptist World Mission

Baptist International Missions, Inc.

ETC., ETC., ETC.

NOW, here is one for your enjoyment:

[video=youtube;nWNVJs46fVQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWNVJs46fVQ[/video]

Yes and the Baptists are eaten up with falser doctrines just as are the holiness with their speaking in the unknown tongue. You have the freewill who believe you can lose your salvation and the Southern Baptists who claim once saved always saved. It's all Babylon.

 

[VCO]

Yes and the Baptists are eaten up with falser doctrines just as are the holiness with their speaking in the unknown tongue. You have the freewill who believe you can lose your salvation and the Southern Baptists who claim once saved always saved. It's all Babylon.

No, Born Again, Christ in me, and me in HIM, is reality. Our bridegroom is coming, when the Father says our New Dwelling Place is finished. And your scoffing at it, is fulfillment of Prophecy:

2 Peter 3:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”

 

[JesusIsAll]

No, Born Again, Christ in me, and me in HIM, is reality. Our bridegroom is coming, when the Father says our New Dwelling Place is finished. And your scoffing at it, is fulfillment of Prophecy:

2 Peter 3:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”

This is prevalent all over the web. You want to see venom, from the so-called Christians? Start earnestly revealing Bible truth, show the rapture in scripture, the sufficiency of the blood of our Lord Jesus, not our works, His merit, not ours, warn of self righteous legalism, warn of hell, or call out the cult errors, and many become like rabid dogs. I've had people go ballistic before, just posting nothing but scripture showing the rapture, no words of my own, calling me a liar, or a devil. Amazing, just too weird! Frankly, it's sometimes like some vampire movie, where Dracula gets holy water thrown on him and starts hissing through his fangs. Anyway, your posts are fantastic, VCO, God love you!

 

[tonto]

No, Born Again, Christ in me, and me in HIM, is reality. Our bridegroom is coming, when the Father says our New Dwelling Place is finished. And your scoffing at it, is fulfillment of Prophecy:

2 Peter 3:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”

I too know the Christ is coming again but to establish His Kingdom here on this earth. I see no scripture that promises that anyone at all flies off to Heaven. I do see where the risen saints will serve as kings, priests, and judges in the EARTHLY kingdom.

If you were to read the Scriptures correctly, you would find that the Bride of Christ is the New Jerusalem - not the Church. The Church is the body of Christ - not His bride. More false doctrine.

 

[tonto]

This is prevalent all over the web. You want to see venom, from the so-called Christians? Start earnestly revealing Bible truth, show the rapture in scripture, the sufficiency of the blood of our Lord Jesus, not our works, His merit, not ours, warn of self righteous legalism, warn of hell, or call out the cult errors, and many become like rabid dogs. I've had people go ballistic before, just posting nothing but scripture showing the rapture, no words of my own, calling me a liar, or a devil. Amazing, just too weird! Frankly, it's sometimes like some vampire movie, where Dracula gets holy water thrown on him and starts hissing through his fangs. Anyway, your posts are fantastic, VCO, God love you!

Actually, it's your false doctrines that are turning people away from salvation. People are educated now and can read the Bible and see through these false doctrines for themselves.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Actually, it's your false doctrines that are turning people away from salvation. People are educated now and can read the Bible and see through these false doctrines for themselves.

Well, you know how many people you deceive, with the Holy Spirit, with eyes that see, with ears that hear? Zero. It will take somebody way above your pay grade to alter one letter of truth, which your can refute until you stand before the Lord and answer for why you called Him a liar.

Lots of luck even recruiting one cult convert.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Luke 16:19-31 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: and there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Mark 9:42-48 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Revelation 14:9-11 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Reveltion 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[tonto]

Well, you know how many people you deceive, with the Holy Spirit, with eyes that see, with ears that hear? Zero. It will take somebody way above your pay grade to alter one letter of truth, which your can refute until you stand before the Lord and answer for why you called Him a liar.

Lots of luck even recruiting one cult convert.

Please provide the post where I called Him a liar or the scripture where I denied one tittle of it. Back up your accusation now.

 

[tonto]

Luke 16:19-31 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: and there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Mark 9:42-48 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Revelation 14:9-11 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Reveltion 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

What are you speaking of here, or do you know? Hell or the Lake of Fire? The OP is about Hell. I have never denied the existence of the Lake of Fire, but then, I know and understand the difference.

 

[tonto]

Well, you know how many people you deceive, with the Holy Spirit, with eyes that see, with ears that hear? Zero. It will take somebody way above your pay grade to alter one letter of truth, which your can refute until you stand before the Lord and answer for why you called Him a liar.

Lots of luck even recruiting one cult convert.

I'm not obsessed with cults as you apparently are. Are you also a racist?

 

[Kerry]

Hell is a real place and not a parable. I think it's funny how people pick and choose saying oh that was a parable ( Jesus was just fibbing). When He explained the parables to the disciples afterwards.

 

[tonto]

Hell is a real place and not a parable. I think it's funny how people pick and choose saying oh that was a parable ( Jesus was just fibbing). When He explained the parables to the disciples afterwards.

Indeed it is a real place. It is the grave, the pit, a hole in the ground, the sea if that's one's resting place. In the eighteenth century the people of England put their apples into hell for winter's keeping.

 

[Sola_Scriptura]

All of the Scripture that says the wicked will be turned to ashes and destroyed. When does that happen?

God Bless

 

[Kerry]

Indeed it is a real place. It is the grave, the pit, a hole in the ground, the sea if that's one's resting place. In the eighteenth century the people of England put their apples into hell for winter's keeping.

Was there weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth there?