That is true. But this is another one of those "sticky" parts of the Bible so many people want to ignore because we are to do our best to live as God tells us in His Word. If we didn't have to do anything besides claim Christianity, the directives would not be in the Bible. We would not be told to have the mind which is in Christ either, if it was a simple declaration and then presto - we're in like Flynn - done.
Holy - Who Me?
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AMEN....According to the word of God we have been made holy...because we are "in Christ".
HE says in 1 Peter.."9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into His marvellous light;"
We are what HE says we are....we see our weakness and failure , He see us through the blood in Jesus Christ. We can listen to what the enemy tells us, or we can believe what God says
That's how I see it anyway. I think that is called faith in His finsihed work.
HE says in 1 Peter.."9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into His marvellous light;"
We are what HE says we are....we see our weakness and failure , He see us through the blood in Jesus Christ. We can listen to what the enemy tells us, or we can believe what God says
That's how I see it anyway. I think that is called faith in His finsihed work.
You are wrong there. It does show us that but that is only a partial description of what the Torah does and is for.
I never said that nor would I ever say that.
Keep working on that "new nature" as I still see an awful lot of 'human nature' in your posts, which manifest your attitude, which is supposed to be as Christ's. You aren't there yet, any more than anyone else is so bragging about it is not very productive.
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AMEN....According to the word of God we have been made holy...because we are "in Christ".
HE says in 1 Peter.."9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into His marvellous light;"
We are what HE says we are....we see our weakness and failure , He see us through the blood in Jesus Christ. We can listen to what the enemy tells us, or we can believe what God says
That's how I see it anyway. I think that is called faith in His finsihed work.
HE says in 1 Peter.."9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into His marvellous light;"
We are what HE says we are....we see our weakness and failure , He see us through the blood in Jesus Christ. We can listen to what the enemy tells us, or we can believe what God says
That's how I see it anyway. I think that is called faith in His finsihed work.
you may want to re-read. this is not what the op is saying.
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You are wrong there. It does show us that but that is only a partial description of what the Torah does and is for.
I never said that nor would I ever say that.
Does that mean that I sin more because Jesus kept the law and lived up to the standard for me. NO! Perish that thought! How can I, who understand that I am one with Jesus do something that is against my nature, the new nature that I now have in him? The answer is that the only way I can do those things, is if I don't understand that I am in him with a new nature. I can do those sins only if I am alone trying in my own power to resist sins so that I can be worthy to be in him.
Keep working on that "new nature" as I still see an awful lot of 'human nature' in your posts, which manifest your attitude, which is supposed to be as Christ's. You aren't there yet, any more than anyone else is so bragging about it is not very productive.
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That's interesting... what was all the scripture instruction about "paying attention for wolves, the falling away, false teachers etc, if it wasn't to give us tools to determine what is false "Christian" and what is true "Christian".... If you had said only JESUS can say if one truly gets into heaven or not.... I would agree... but that isn't REALLY what you said.
What I said is valid....it was a term of derision when first used and only the Lord can see the heart and motive of men.....anyone can claim to be a Christian and or PLAY Christian.....God sees to the innermost part of man and at the end of the day is the ONLY one who can say if one is truly CHRISTIAN or not.....even love can be feigned....so....disagree if you choose friend....matters not to me!
Show me the words false Christian in the bible!
and for the record...being saved and on the way to heaven is not necessarily equivilent to being a Christian.....
being saved = eternal life and heaven/new earth dwelling places.....being a Christian = growth and maturity and being Christ like which is sanctification and a process or growth and maturity!
Show me the words false Christian in the bible!
and for the record...being saved and on the way to heaven is not necessarily equivilent to being a Christian.....
being saved = eternal life and heaven/new earth dwelling places.....being a Christian = growth and maturity and being Christ like which is sanctification and a process or growth and maturity!
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Let's see: "Does that mean that I sin more because Jesus kept the law and lived up to the standard for me. NO!Perish that thought! How can I, who understand that I am one with Jesus do something that is against my nature, the new nature that I now have in him? The answer is that the only way I can do those things, is if I don't understand that I am in him with a new nature. I can do those sins only if I am alone trying in my own power to resist sins so that I can be worthy to be in him."
Gee whiz - wherever did I perceive bragging???? It wouldn't have stuck out so blatantly if I had seen some fruit of the Spirit in the tone of your post.
Gee whiz - wherever did I perceive bragging???? It wouldn't have stuck out so blatantly if I had seen some fruit of the Spirit in the tone of your post.
Just imagine for a moment, that you know someone in this astronomical number of people, who doesn’t realize that he/she is doing the wrong thing by living any one of these lifestyles and using the excuse, “I’m not hurting anyone.” You know what is going on. You are a Christian. What, if any, is your responsibility? Equally as plainly told to us is the answer in Ezekiel 33. Before we are halfway through the chapter we are told three times what our duty is and what the outcome will be when we do the right thing…..and if we fail to do the right thing. In a nutshell, if we don’t warn others when they are doing wrong, we are just as guilty.
Don’t like the Old Testament? Then look at the little tiny book of 2 John. Only thirteen verses long, it speaks volumes, but for this discussion we are particularly concerned with verses 9-11: “Everyone who goes ahead and does not remain true to what the Messiah has taught does not have God. Those who remain true to this teaching have both the Father and the Son. If someone comes to you and does not bring this teaching don’t welcome him into your home. Don’t even say, “Shalom!” to him; for the person who says, “Shalom!” to him shares in his evil deeds.”
The first thing that would come to my mind if someone gave me this instruction would be, “that’s easier said than done,” and truly it is. It would be unethical, hypocritical, and I dare say, sanctimonious, to presume to teach what I have not done myself. It is never easy and some of my most earnest prayers were born of my wimpy heart begging God for a way out of having to take a stand and confront those other professing Christians with the sins they were practicing. I think the hardest time was speaking with the pastor’s wife about her seemingly uncontrollable need to gossip about the other church members to me.
No, it wasn’t easy or pleasant. No, we did not continue to be friends – she didn’t take it well. Yes, it usually spelled out the end of a friendship. Yes, it is always worth it. I am, by nature, one of those people who doesn’t like to make waves at all but I would have had a VERY hard time forgiving myself if I had knowingly refused to do the right thing, and thereby telling my Father in heaven that my friendship with another person was more important than being obedient to Him.
“Stay alert, stand firm in the faith, behave like a mentsh [English definition: good, reliable, moral, compassionate person], grow strong.” 1 Corinthians 16:13 (CJB)
Don’t like the Old Testament? Then look at the little tiny book of 2 John. Only thirteen verses long, it speaks volumes, but for this discussion we are particularly concerned with verses 9-11: “Everyone who goes ahead and does not remain true to what the Messiah has taught does not have God. Those who remain true to this teaching have both the Father and the Son. If someone comes to you and does not bring this teaching don’t welcome him into your home. Don’t even say, “Shalom!” to him; for the person who says, “Shalom!” to him shares in his evil deeds.”
The first thing that would come to my mind if someone gave me this instruction would be, “that’s easier said than done,” and truly it is. It would be unethical, hypocritical, and I dare say, sanctimonious, to presume to teach what I have not done myself. It is never easy and some of my most earnest prayers were born of my wimpy heart begging God for a way out of having to take a stand and confront those other professing Christians with the sins they were practicing. I think the hardest time was speaking with the pastor’s wife about her seemingly uncontrollable need to gossip about the other church members to me.
No, it wasn’t easy or pleasant. No, we did not continue to be friends – she didn’t take it well. Yes, it usually spelled out the end of a friendship. Yes, it is always worth it. I am, by nature, one of those people who doesn’t like to make waves at all but I would have had a VERY hard time forgiving myself if I had knowingly refused to do the right thing, and thereby telling my Father in heaven that my friendship with another person was more important than being obedient to Him.
“Stay alert, stand firm in the faith, behave like a mentsh [English definition: good, reliable, moral, compassionate person], grow strong.” 1 Corinthians 16:13 (CJB)
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Hubby told me when he was little it was a thing to dress up to go out -- to dinner or even to a ball game. He felt spiff in his little suit with tie and shiny black shoes. (He can even name what kind of suit, but I'm younger and a girl, so really don't get into what people wore before my memories. lol) He looked like a miniaturized picture of his dad, and acted like him too.
His dad let the kids make the grand entrance into the restaurant. He and Mom backed them up. He or his brother would ask the waiter for a table, unaware that the waiter was playing along to keep his paying customers happy.
If anyone had ever given him a hard time, Dad to the rescue. So something like a "Take it up with him" attitude for the boys, while they point to their dad.
We're the ones dressed up proper for God. We're the ones being lead by the Proper -- God. We're supposed to be doing what he's doing, and, if anyone gives us attitude, then we let God handle it.
That, to me, is my image of us being holy.
My problem is dressed proper sometimes doesn't stop me from playing in the mud.
His dad let the kids make the grand entrance into the restaurant. He and Mom backed them up. He or his brother would ask the waiter for a table, unaware that the waiter was playing along to keep his paying customers happy.
If anyone had ever given him a hard time, Dad to the rescue. So something like a "Take it up with him" attitude for the boys, while they point to their dad.
We're the ones dressed up proper for God. We're the ones being lead by the Proper -- God. We're supposed to be doing what he's doing, and, if anyone gives us attitude, then we let God handle it.
That, to me, is my image of us being holy.
My problem is dressed proper sometimes doesn't stop me from playing in the mud.