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Mitspa
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I don't know those kinds of Christians....and do we now pass laws to approve and promote adultery? We have very severe civil laws that punish adultery if proven in a divorce case.
Homosexuality is not a choice!!!!
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I don't know those kinds of Christians....and do we now pass laws to approve and promote adultery? We have very severe civil laws that punish adultery if proven in a divorce case.
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Abing
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I am so tempted to waste my time explaining how this thread title, from every way you look at it, is so heartbreakingly wrong. And to realize that there are so many people out there, confused and experiencing the same emotions as the OP, is sad and should be a wake up call to us Christians.
on topic: If there wasn't a choice, we're no less than animals.
on topic: If there wasn't a choice, we're no less than animals.
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JesusName1
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As I have stated before homosexuality is a sin that the bible says is punishable by the lake of fire. My opinion on this matter is that no it is not a choice. I have come to the conclusion by asking myself: self have you ever thought about being with another man? No. Self if you dated 1,000 women and none of them worked would you consider trying men? Absolutely not, I would remain single... For me being straight wasn't a choice. Some say "so you're saying that God made them gay?" My opinion on this is that no I don't believe that "made" them. What I mean by that is, God created our reproductive system to work so I don't see a need for him to have to make every child or, what about animals, does he have to make those to, or does his reproductive design do it's job? I also don't believe he causes the rain, tornadoes, hail, snow. I don't believe God personally sends each and every bolt of lightning. I believe he created the weather to work on it's own. I am in no way saying that God can't personally form a child or cause a lightning storm on a sunny cloudless day. I believe we are all born into sin and some have trouble with different sin. My son, for example, when he was 3 he accidentally hit his cousin in the mouth with a toy. She was screaming and crying and had a bloody lip. I asked him if he hit her and he said no. I know that he did but, he didn't want to get in trouble. This was all my opinion but, sin is still sin God will judge according to his word regardless of if someone was born that way or by choice. When God draws you to repentance and you repent of your sins he will cleanse your mind and make you a new creature.
Where does the Bible teach we have to do that before pointing out a grievous sin to people entangled in it? Jesus confronted sinners, so did the apostles, and so have disciples of Christ ever since. I think that issue is centered around someone beset by their own life-controlling problems trying to "fix" everyone else. We're supposed to preach the gospel of Christ, truth, and guarding the babes in Christ with such as in Romans 16:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Paul didn't add a prerequisite of being totally without sin before obeying that commandment. If such a requirement was necessary, none could preach the gospel, none could tell anyone, about righteousness. The idea is the truth, the Standard if you will, must be presented to mankind. Then the messenger is submitted to the hearers, which can definitely influence their assessment of his message of the gospel.
The idea is to apply the really simple truths to a congregation of God so that they learn what damns the soul.
Refraining from warning neighbors about a chronic child molester because someone smoked a cigar last week is no acceptable excuse for not transmitting a morality warning to one's society. The person who didn't return the ballpoint pen the bank provided to fill out a deposit slip is disqualified from telling a man he is in danger of hell fire for embracing homosexuality, punishable in God's opinion by death? Without determining to steal the pen, having several in the console, am I an equal sinner? I offered them back one day, told to give them away, being part of their advertisement philosophy.
Who excuses homosexuals? Sinners.
If you cite the requirement of social law to report that, then you should realize where moral law came from originally. Who first recorded such activity as sin? God.
Carry on the campaign for truth! Whatever you do for Jesus will add persecution. You are doing a fine work.
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Mitspa
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Laws had nothing to do with this conversation.
And yes, all of those things are sinful.
Also, there is no law against being gay, people in the US can be gay with no consequence whatsoever.
Right now 12 states have retained anti-sodomy laws on the books, though they are now effectively unenforceable except to initially remove homosexuals from public view of their illegal, immoral acts.
As for consequences, the health risks are considerably high, while the vast majority of people in the USA and all other nations remain highly opposed to homosexuality. Their relative silence is not a vote for the LGBT agenda. word gets around, employers in smaller towns easily learn who is and isn't, knowing before an interview an applicant who is homosexual won't be seriously considered. As long as nothing is said and witnessed or written, no law can prohibit discrimination against people who can only usher in curses among all who tolerate that sin.
It's one thing to fall into the sin a while, then repenting to sin it no more. Nobody who engages in a blatant homosexual wedding without repenting of it will survive the face of God, the sin becoming a deliberate one. Christians who backslide into a lifestyle of deliberate overt sin like that can't be forgiven of it, one of those God really hates more than most other sins, according to scriptures like Hebrews 6:4-6 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Who can appear before holy Yahweh God having spent his last days doing a sin "on God's books" commanding stoning to death in the law of God? None. The angels that surround God in Heaven fear him, and adore him. They are holy beings. Christians will be among them, like them. Let none be deceived to think that any unholy "dog" as God calls them will enjoy his company, regardless of what they believe. Real believing means real obedience to the commandments of the Lord, not guilty of parading an abominable sin before neighbors and heaven.
All who defy God's moral law live by the law, will be judged by the law, are not of Christ.
To sleep on is this concerning antichrists among us....
1 John 4:1-6 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
In scripture if it can be overcome through Christ, and a renewed mind, it's a choice: we are all attracted to the human body, to worship the human body, the created.
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biblicalsandy
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Someone will say they were born that way, because they want acceptance for their choice. I had a bunch of gay friends, from living in Los Angeles. This is even what they told me, plus over hearing them on a gay beach! Or they felt like that from abuse of a mother, or molestation from someone they were exposed to. A Sexuals are people who are Eunichs in the way of not desiring sex with either man or woman. Their minds don't comprehend lust, like most. I did a lot of research on this recently, and it's connection to scripture. How it is that Homosexuals have claimed to be Eunich, bewilders me. I am not judging them, but I am discerning them.
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VioletReigns
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I don't worship the human body. These are just vessels we're walking around in temporarily, temples of the Holy Spirit. They don't even belong to us but to God who created them for His own pleasure.
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biblicalsandy
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Plus if there was gay Eunichs, it was most likely from this...Once castrated, they were raped by men..or had such overwhelming sexual tendencies, even after being castrated, and they found their desire was full filled with getting sex another way.
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Lis45
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Homosexuality is far more complex than a simple "choice". I don't believe that people "choose" to be gay. It's just something that happens. Puberty hits and...bingo! You discover that you're atttracted to either males, females, or both. I am a Christian. I have gay people in my family. I didn't ask for it...nor did they. My job is to love them. I pray for them. I do not judge them. I can't change them, and they can't change me...but I am still learning to love them while God changes me in the process.
Rom 1:18-28
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
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It seems as if God uses homosexuality as a judgement on those who reject Him.
Even if it were true that homosexuality were not a choice (and I don't believe that is true) Failing to ask God for deliverance is certainly a choice.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
KJV
It seems as if God uses homosexuality as a judgement on those who reject Him.
Even if it were true that homosexuality were not a choice (and I don't believe that is true) Failing to ask God for deliverance is certainly a choice.
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Lis45
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I just can't figure out that reasoning. If that were the case then we'd have a world full of God rejectors who are all homosexual, and that's just not the case. And yes, this may an explanation as to what was happening to the people mentioned in this portion of scripture, I don't deny that. But I won't make that a blanket statement for all homosexuals in general. I can't blame you. I was once one who was convinced through blind faith that homosexuality was simply "a choice". In reality though, too often, it is not. The choice comes in responding to it though. These people need to know God. They need to know He loves them personally and unconditionally. Too often, homosexuals experience the conditions we place upon them for respect, love, or acceptance, only to find out that "love" is a bunch of hogwash, and I can't always blame them for wanting nothing to do with it.
First that reasoning is simply a restatement of Rom 1:18-28. Calling Scripture hogwash is at best unwise.
I don't believe that Rom 1:18-28 is presented as a universal truth. It seems, rather, to be one of the ways God deals with rejection (at His discretion).
Presuming that your ideas are better than what a straight-forward reading of Scripture imparts seems both arrogant and foolish.
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AllanSnackbar
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But heterosexuals have the advantage of being able to be married in the eyes of God, and therefore acceptable to have sex after Marriage.
Homosexuals are not afforded that option. They can't have sex at all during their lifetime because they can never be married in the eyes of God.
A bit unfair to use a blanket statement like that.
Homosexual marriage doesn't exist in GOD's eyes, so an imaginary marriage won't sanctify what they choose to do with their bodies.
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