How did God die for our sins, if God cannot die?
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EleventhHour
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Spiritually disconnected... death in scripture I have been told often means separated.
Not non-existent.
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eternally-gratefull
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Thank you, If you have any questions please ask.
he became a man like we are subjected himself to flesh and blood so that he could die for us . It’s the very thing that makes our God the one true God who indeed loves us It’s why we love him we failed and rather than destroying us he jumped into the mess with us and offers salvation from what we caused
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
Hebrews 2:9, 14-18
Jesus indeed was subjected to death like we are the difference is sin is death we have sin and die and are condemned Jesus had no sin and died so death had no rightful claim on him death doesn’t have any power without sin
he died because he laid down his glory and became like us so he could die to save us
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
Hebrews 2:9, 14-18
Jesus indeed was subjected to death like we are the difference is sin is death we have sin and die and are condemned Jesus had no sin and died so death had no rightful claim on him death doesn’t have any power without sin
he died because he laid down his glory and became like us so he could die to save us
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kaylagrl
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I didn't say His human side pre-dated Adam, second Adam. I said His divine nature did.
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kaylagrl
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No, that's not right. Jesus can exist outside human form. He took the form of man. Outside of being human He is God.
"...for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Heb 11:6
For a person who must believe God exists is a person who is acknowledging that they do not know whether or not God exists. Therefore what is the reward for believing that God exists. It is written, "you believe that there is one God; you do well: the devils also believe, and tremble."
Thanks but I didn't say that, I asked if faith comes by hearing the Son of God or reading the Bible. With the point being that faith comes by hearing the voice of the Son of God. But to answer your question.
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? Rom 8:24
John 3 (ESV)
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
So the flesh (dust of the ground) can live without a spirit (breath of life)?
1 John 2 (ESV)
4 Whoever says "I know him" but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, 5 but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: 6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.
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eternally-gratefull
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It is the life of the flesh. It is man that separates himself from the LORD so that the man finds himself feeding himself with the thorns and thistles of the world instead of the word that proceedeth from the mouth of the LORD.
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eternally-gratefull
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The Bible says man is dead because of sin but can be made alive in christ
using your question, how can the flesh live if the spirit is dead (because of sin)
man was born dead, then he proved his death was justified by earning his death
in Adam all die, in Christ we can be made alive this is an important passage it explains a lot that I think many miss
first of all, God/Yeshua, is SPIRIT = and He inhabits Eternity, which of course, He made and is...
and, hello, He cannot 'die'...
Jesus Christ in the flesh died, for He had to die for our sins, in His flesh,
which He TOOK ON for us and us alone!!!...
and, hello, He cannot 'die'...
Jesus Christ in the flesh died, for He had to die for our sins, in His flesh,
which He TOOK ON for us and us alone!!!...
That's right, God cannot die. Jesus was God incarnate. And you shall call him, Immanuel, which means God with us. Jesus was God. As he said numerous times in the New Testament.
Judaism is grounded in symbolism, among other things, like allegory, etc...
Jesus appeared as a human, he was born of woman, because God in the beginning created male and female and as such he begat himself upon Mary so as to be born in human form.
This is because we are told humans cannot gaze on the full form of God and survive the encounter. But as a man, who was born into a Jewish family and followed Jewish law, (God's law), Jesus was seen as a man delivering the prophesied testament as Messiah.
When Jesus was seen to die on the cross and was placed in the tomb for three days and three nights, people who witnessed this believed he died just as everyone did who was crucified under Roman law.
When Jesus conquered death and rose from the tomb and walked the earth for forty days, he was the living symbol of his teaching about salvation giving us eternal life, that death can not conquer. And as such, Jesus defeated Satan's hold on death. Because now those who are in Christ do not die, but live eternally with the Father, who was Jesus.
When Jesus returned to heaven and sits now at the right hand of God, in Jewish symbolism that means Jesus is at the right hand of power. The power that made Jesus to be born as fully divine and fully human.
He returned to himself. Jesus was God. God is Jesus.
And just an aside, if you're here with the intention of messing with Christians and aren't actually sincere in learning what you do not know about our faith, you prove to all of us that you do need Jesus.
You may wish to take that seriously because mockery stops when you die. Then you find out the truth. That eternity in darkness is a long time to spend in the ultimate reality of, "we told you so!"
In our case, since the Lord is not hear for us to hear Him, the faith comes by hearing someone else testifying about Christ or from His word. Remember Thomas, when He said that he would believe until he put his fingers where the nails and been and stuck his finger in His side, he would not believe? Then the next week Jesus appeared and said to Thomas, "Put your finger here and look at My hands. Reach out your hand and put it into My side. Stop doubting and believe.
Thomas replied, “My Lord and my God!”
Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Those who believe but have not seen would be the majority of the church.
Yeah, I know! It was additional teaching.
Frankly, I don't even know what you are objecting to.
Maybe tell ask the Father what He meant "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
Of course he did.
It's called puberty.
God was the man Jesus. Jesus, Immanuel (God with us), was God.
If you don't agree please seek and post scripture that supports your contention.
Rev 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
The lamb that is slain is Jesus.
Magnets ???? Was that the magnet on your fridge??? I have never heard of a talking magnet... sigh.... but then I have also never seen a talking donkey... except in Shrek... There was a talking donkey in Shrek... and Shrek is a ogre so maybe we are dealing with an ogre or troll here........
