How do we testify to this word of the Lord?

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You’re asserting a principle Scripture never teaches — that “the literal text is not the truth” and only a hidden spiritual meaning is the real truth. Jesus and the apostles never speak this way. The Lord repeatedly says “It is written” (Matt 4:4), not “It is written, but the literal meaning is not the truth.” The psalmist says “The entrance of Thy words giveth light” (Ps 119:130), not “the entrance of hidden meanings.” Paul says “All Scripture is God‑breathed” (2 Tim 3:16), not “the literal Scripture is insufficient.” When you quote 2 Timothy 3:7 (“ever learning, never able to come to the knowledge of the truth”), Paul is describing false teachers, not sincere believers reading the plain text. Their problem is moral rebellion, not lack of mystical interpretation. And Jesus explicitly rebukes the idea that truth is hidden behind symbolic names — He says “Search the Scriptures… they testify of Me” (John 5:39). The Scriptures testify of Christ in their plain meaning, not in secret allegories behind names like Thomas or Moses. Abraham’s statement “They have Moses and the prophets” simply means they have the written Scriptures, not that “Moses” is a spiritual code word. Your method replaces God’s Word with private interpretations the text never gives. The truth is not hidden behind the literal text — the truth is the literal text rightly understood.
As I said.
It is enough that I have shared the truth from the Word of God.

You may continue with your beliefs and with what you clearly understand from the Word of God.

Because this is the Lord’s way of ensuring that there will be no debate about His words.
 
As I said.
It is enough that I have shared the truth from the Word of God.

You may continue with your beliefs and with what you clearly understand from the Word of God.

Because this is the Lord’s way of ensuring that there will be no debate about His words.
But you don't "share the truth from the word of God". You keep insisting that none of God's word is literally true, and that every event recorded in Scripture is still happening today. That is not truth from God's word. I agree with what OMC wrote: "You’re asserting a principle Scripture never teaches — that “the literal text is not the truth” and only a hidden spiritual meaning is the real truth."
 
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No, praise God, I am a found sheep. I fear for any lost sheep who read your confusing and unbiblical posts.
To avoid arguments.
Those of us who have come to know the one true God have been given a warning by the Lord, and we follow it.
MATTHEW 10:14
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
 
As I said.
It is enough that I have shared the truth from the Word of God.

You may continue with your beliefs and with what you clearly understand from the Word of God.

Because this is the Lord’s way of ensuring that there will be no debate about His words.
You’re not “avoiding debate because the Lord wills it”; you’re avoiding debate because your claim cannot be defended from Scripture.
 
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But you don't "share the truth from the word of God". You keep insisting that none of God's word is literally true, and that every event recorded in Scripture is still happening today. That is not truth from God's word. I agree with what OMC wrote: "You’re asserting a principle Scripture never teaches — that “the literal text is not the truth” and only a hidden spiritual meaning is the real truth."
As I told you before, if the Lord permits, I will share the truth.
 
You’re not “avoiding debate because the Lord wills it”; you’re avoiding debate because your claim cannot be defended from Scripture.
To avoid arguments.
Those of us who have come to know the one true God have been given a warning by the Lord, and we follow it.
MATTHEW 10:14
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
 
But nobody alive today has seen Jesus Christ physically. He is in heaven, seated at the right hand of His Father.

This is clear evidence that your understanding of God’s Word is limited to the literal and physical sense. Therefore, your understanding does not correspond to the truth.

Even based only on what you have read, that the Lord Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father, you would already ask for mercy because your understanding conflicts with what the apostle John saw: that there is only one throne in heaven, not two.
REVELATION 4:2
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

You don't believe in the Trinity of God?

While there is only one throne in Heaven, Revelation 22:1 & 3 shows you that Jesus sits on the throne as the "Lamb". Revelation 1:8 & 18 shows you that Jesus IS the Alpha & Omega. Zechariah 14:9 shows us that when Jesus returns to earth, everyone will finally come to that realization.

Revelation 22:1 & 3 - 1) And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 3) And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

Revelation 1:8 & 18 - 8) am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 18) I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Zechariah 14:9 - And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

The reason Zechariah 14:9 says that His name will be "one" is because Jesus returns with a new name that only He knows and we too will have that name written on us as shown in Revelation 3:12 and Revelation 19:12.

Jesus will show all of us how HE was ALWAYS the Alpha & Omega like He says in Revelation 1:8 & 18.
 
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To avoid arguments.
Those of us who have come to know the one true God have been given a warning by the Lord, and we follow it.
MATTHEW 10:14
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
You’re not “avoiding arguments because the Lord commands it”; you’re misusing Matthew 10:14, which applies to entire towns rejecting the gospel, not to believers testing your interpretation, so invoking that verse here is simply a way to avoid defending your claims from Scripture.
 
To avoid arguments.
Those of us who have come to know the one true God have been given a warning by the Lord, and we follow it.
MATTHEW 10:14
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
That doesn't avoid these debates. Those of us who don't agree with your unusual ways of interpreting the Bible could say the same thing to you (but I am not saying it). When Jesus said those words to the disciples, He was talking about people who refused to hear the gospel they preached. He wasn't sending them out to argue with people about things like whether events recorded in the Old Testament were still happening, or whether all of the Bible that they had then was non-literal and dark sayings, or any of the other strange ideas you put forward.
 
What you are saying does not correspond to the truth. If it were true that the revelation of the Lord Jesus is already clearly found in the text, then the different groups within Christianity today who have studied the Holy Scriptures for five to ten years should have reached the same understanding and recognition of the Lord Jesus.
You are implying that I said something that I didn't say. Apparently you did not READ MY POST but instead just hit "REPLY" and started typing the same blather you've posted dozens of times already, none of which is remotely relevant to my post.
 
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Certainly when we come to Jesus we must do so humbly. We must recognise, as Thomas did, that He is Lord and God.

What would be your answer to this example?

Suppose the object you see is white. If you ask different people what color it is, they all answer that it is white. But when God comes and says that it is not white but black, whom would you believe, God or the people?
That's a silly example. God gave us senses and expects us to use them, and He has designed them such that they are reasonably reliable. However, salvation is not based on what we see, but rather on Jesus' finished work on the cross.
 
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Because you do not recognize the one true God, the Lord does not reveal to you the spiritual message contained in His Word.
That's a jackdonkey comment. There is no need to demean other believers on this site just because they show you your many errors.
 
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It is enough that I have shared the truth from the Word of God.
This is only for the lost sheep, not for everyone.

You may continue with your beliefs and with what you clearly understand from the Word of God.

Perhaps you are not among those whom I am seeking.
You have shared error upon error. The lost sheep would be better off if you just stopped "sharing" until you actually know the one true God. Your condemnatory comments are adequate evidence that you do not.
 
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But you don't "share the truth from the word of God". You keep insisting that none of God's word is literally true, and that every event recorded in Scripture is still happening today. That is not truth from God's word. I agree with what OMC wrote: "You’re asserting a principle Scripture never teaches — that “the literal text is not the truth” and only a hidden spiritual meaning is the real truth."
As I told you before, if the Lord permits, I will share the truth.

Actually, I have already shared the truth with you before, but you just couldn’t see it.
Only God knows whether I will continue sharing these things with you or whether I should stop.

This is how we are as people who have come to know the one true God.
When it comes to God and His words, we always depend on Him and trust in His guidance.
 
That's a silly example. God gave us senses and expects us to use them, and He has designed them such that they are reasonably reliable. However, salvation is not based on what we see, but rather on Jesus' finished work on the cross.

The Lord said in truth that whoever cannot be trusted with little things cannot be trusted with greater things either.

Even in this simple example, your answer cannot be relied upon as being truthful.
So how can God trust you when the time comes for Him to question you directly?
Your answer can be trusted even less to be truthful.
That is why you will find the truth to be far from you.
LUKE 16:10
10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
 
No, praise God, I am a found sheep. I fear for any lost sheep who read your confusing and unbiblical posts.
No, praise God, I am a found sheep.

When God revealed Himself, you were not found to be a lost sheep. For if you were truly a sheep whom the Lord had found, surely you would recognize and understand His voice.
JOHN 10:27
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:



I fear for any lost sheep who read your confusing and unbiblical posts.

And even after all this, you still do not understand what has been said to you, because you have never truly been a lost sheep. Therefore, the voice you understand is merely the human understanding of God’s word.
 
As I told you before, if the Lord permits, I will share the truth.

Actually, I have already shared the truth with you before, but you just couldn’t see it.
Only God knows whether I will continue sharing these things with you or whether I should stop.

This is how we are as people who have come to know the one true God.
When it comes to God and His words, we always depend on Him and trust in His guidance.
No, you have "shared" a strange version of what you consider to be the truth. This seems to include these strange views:

That God in His word never reveals literal truth. The whole of God's word, according to you, consists of parables and dark sayings.

That events recorded in the Scriptures, even events like the Flood, which God's word says came to an end before Noah left the ark, are still happening today.

By God's grace, I came to know Jesus Christ as my Saviour about 50 years ago now, and in all that time, your posts are the only place where I have come across these unbiblical teachings.

It seems strange that you, who have stated that you have only read less than a quarter of the Bible, with no indication that you have any intention of reading the rest of it as time goes on, should continue to make such statements as you do about what you imagine God's word teaches.
 
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