If homosexuality is an abomination to God, why do some Christians support it?

[coby]

I spoke to a few practising homosexuals on a Dutch christian forum. Their whole life they're in this reformed church. No baptism in the Spirit, no help, no deliverance, no teaching on who you are in Christ. A guy said he cried out to God when he was 16 or younger to make him straight and then after years he gave up. Only preaching they got was it's sin. Good luck!

 

[Grace777x70]

I agree...and having the law drilled at you will do nothing to stop people from sin if it has ahold of them...

This is all a matter of identity! If I was a thief before I came to Christ..am I still a thief?..in the eyes of the world I am ( and in the eyes of self-righteous people that never stolen anything ...I could still be thought of that way )

In Christ there is no such thing of being gay, being a thief, a gossiper..whatever. We are new creations in Christ!

It's a matter of indentity!

Let's tell Christians who they really are now in Christ..and to stop identifying ourselves with the old habits of our former life or for those things that we still struggle with.


1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

I spoke to a few practising homosexuals on a Dutch christian forum. Their whole life they're in this reformed church. No baptism in the Spirit, no help, no deliverance, no teaching on who you are in Christ. A guy said he cried out to God when he was 16 or younger to make him straight and then after years he gave up. Only preaching they got was it's sin. Good luck!

 

[BenFTW]

I spoke to a few practising homosexuals on a Dutch christian forum. Their whole life they're in this reformed church. No baptism in the Spirit, no help, no deliverance, no teaching on who you are in Christ. A guy said he cried out to God when he was 16 or younger to make him straight and then after years he gave up. Only preaching they got was it's sin. Good luck!

If only they knew of the liberty found in Christ, that under grace sin shall not have dominion. The old man crucified and we are new creations, serving in newness of life! Dead to sin and alive unto God.

 

[Magenta]

Your original position? Your position all along has been Jesus did NOT speak on sexual immorality, when it's blatantly obvious he DID!! Your position is skewed.

Nope, I did not use those words, so please do not say I did. Your position is skewed, and you are putting words in my mouth. All along I have said that Jesus did not explicitly speak on homosexuality while He walked this world. I do not appreciate your twisting it to something else.

 

[kaylagrl]

I hope outsiders come to ChristianChat.com and see that all Christians are not hateful bigots, and that whether or not something is said to be wrong in Scripture, we can still love those who are different from us, just as Jesus commanded. If I were to be seen as someone who could love a person that others cannot, I would count that as a great honor. It is terribly sad to me the way homosexuals have been persecuted and suffered as a result.

Quote " hope outsiders come to ChristianChat.com and see that all Christians are not hateful bigots"

Wait a minute Magenta,Im call the bull on that statement!! That is 100% unfair and untrue. You are twisting Scripture and you have a reason for doing it. I don't know if you have a gay friend or family member or friend but every time this subject comes up you get nasty. No one here is saying not to love a homosexual.No one here is saying don't witness to a homosexual. No one is saying God doesn't love forgive homosexuality. God forgives but you cannot remain in that sin and call yourself a Christian. GOD said homosexuality is wrong and therefore JESUS agrees with HIM on the subject. It goes without saying. And you are confusing and muddying the water,for what reason I do not know. But do not call me a bigot.

 

[CS1]

Still struggling with this one. Especially when you consider that there were councils of men that decided which words would go into the Bible and also when you consider the various language translations.

it is a very interesting statement. We can say that about any writing of Scriptures. Why is it only an issue when it has something to do with what OUR Flesh wants to do? when The Bible is clearly against ?. If a Christian doesn't believe the Bible to be the " Word of God" Written by man as God gave them the Inspiration to do so; another words God is the Author man was the vessel or instrument to write it.

So I guess if questioning of the Word of God and His Word can be dismissed because a man wrote it then we have TO GO BY WHAT IS SEEN. Take God out of it and use ones own understanding. Where in all of the historical data or scientific Evidence has marriage been anything other than between one man and one women normatively? Where in Science is proof of the ability for two of the same sex producing something in the context of life? other than frogs? Where is the Historical proof of this sexual preference producing a better life for them when it is clearly against the NOrmality of Science, and Historical data?.

In ever culture regardless language life for man and women come from the coming together of one of each sex Period. That has not changed and to bring GOd back into the topic sorry I would say just as HIS word says it is to be. Found in the Book of Beginnings Gen 2:24.

God word is true and a truth is true even if God used a man to write it. The Proof can be clearly seen as stated in the bible by faith, History, and science. Rom 1 Paul writing as the Spirit of God helped him says verse 20 From the time the world was created people the earth and sky all that God had made. They can clearly see HIS invisible qualities, His Eternal power and Divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not KNOWING God. NLT

 

[BenFTW]

Nope, I did not use those words, so please do not say I did. Your position is skewed, and you are putting words in my mouth. All along I have said that Jesus did not explicitly speak on homosexuality while He walked this world. I do not appreciate your twisting it to something else.

I am sure many would concede that point, but don't understand the significance of you arguing it. You've only said the significance, at least to you, is that He had bigger fish to fry. I am not sure what you expect people to imply from that response, but if by any means you're saying Jesus was "okay" with the practice of homosexuality, you would be wrong on account of His apostles speaking out against it.

 

[kaylagrl]

Is not both the OT and the NT the words of Jesus?
Is not the bible the inspired word of God, written by man?
Did Moses make that up all by himself in the Torah?

Exactly!!!!! Thats the point! Thank you!

 

[coby]

I haven't seen an adulterers parade recently. I haven't seen adulterers force people to bake cakes to celebrate their adultery. Or I haven't seen adulterers trying to force Christians to say their behavior is right and Biblical. Is adultery wrong? You bet! But there is a gay agenda that is being forced on Christians. Both are equally wrong but there is a militant gay agenda that is pushing Christians to accept them as they are. Now I've been a lot of churches,more than most people on this entire site and most churches that aren't liberal leaning will not marry a couple that is living together. They must separate and have marital counseling. Many churches still wont even allow divorced people to be pastors. So to make it look like Christians are just gunning for homosexuals is ridiculous.

And once again,what God said on the subject in the OT remains true in the NT,end of story.

They don't have to parade. They can simply remarry even if that is adultery. They can adopt kids while they have this filthy adulterous spirit. No problem. But with gays: woooooo no! abomination!!! It's a total double standard.

 

[Magenta]

Exactly!!!!! Thats the point! Thank you!

That is not my point. Oh well. Jesus still loves you

 

[blue_ladybug]

Nope, I did not use those words, so please do not say I did. Your position is skewed, and you are putting words in my mouth. All along I have said that Jesus did not explicitly speak on homosexuality while He walked this world. I do not appreciate your twisting it to something else.

Magenta, sexual immorality includes homosexual behavior. Why don't you understand that? You say Jesus did not speak explicitly on homo behavior, but he did and you've been given verses that show it. You don't think it's immoral for a women to be in bed having sex with another woman? Cuz it is.

 

[Blain]

If only they knew of the liberty found in Christ, that under grace sin shall not have dominion. The old man crucified and we are new creations, serving in newness of life! Dead to sin and alive unto God.

And yet see how easily many of us do not show who God is do not show his love, many gays have come to cc seeking help I have met and talked with them. Several would tell me how they just saw the same thing they have always received from people in the bdf, they were not shown the heart and love of God they were not shown that they are deeply loved and cared about they instead felt worse about themselves that God couldn't possible forgive and love someone like them.

No one ever seems to realize the power their words have the way a single one of there post can destroy a persons heart, many will browse cc watching listening without ever posting and I have spoken with many of them. whenever we make a post we never realize that others see it and the kind of damage our words can do, if we do not show who God is then who will?

 

[kaylagrl]

Most of that is Paul, and I specifically said NOT Leviticus, it is right there in what you quoted. Did you even read what I said? Care to try again? The words of Jesus, while He walked this world, explicitly saying anything about homosexuality. If you cannot rise to the challenge, and I know you cannot because such Scriptures do not exist, please just stop pretending you can. That homosexuality is mentioned elsewhere in Scripture is not the issue at all, and you really should have figured that part out by now

You are being obtuse Magenta and I don't know why. I agree with you on a host of subjects but you know what we are saying and yet you deny it. GOD/JESUS one and the same. They agree!

 

[coby]

That is not my point. Oh well. Jesus still loves you

Your point is that Jesus didn't even speak about it, but the church almost only preaches against this sin.
Makes yourself look better I think.
If they would treat people who eat too much or flip out regularly or watch porn the same: nope that's all grace.
One homosexual said: I can't stop. I tried. I was able to stop smoking, but not this. Why is there only grace for hetero's?

 

[blue_ladybug]

Fact: Both the OT and NT are Jesus' words, as written by man from Jesus.

Fact: Jesus DOES speak on homosexual and immoral behavior, which homosexuality falls under because same-sex sex is NOT moral.

Fact: The bible is inspired by God, through God, and for God.

 

[kaylagrl]

Is the word of God and Jesus's words one in the same?

Yes! Absolutely!

 

[coby]

It's weird. Forgive otherwise God can't forgive you. Oh that doesn't matter, future sins are forgiven because of the cross. Either nothing matters and they can just marry too or it all matters.

 

[Magenta]

You are being obtuse Magenta and I don't know why. I agree with you on a host of subjects but you know what we are saying and yet you deny it. GOD/JESUS one and the same. They agree!

No, I am not being obtuse, and I don't appreciate your saying I am! Why is it okay for you to insult me because I am telling the truth??? Jesus did not explicitly say anything about homosexuality while He walked this world. The noise people make about this one sin is completely disproportionate considering that fact, and I get crapped on because I say so. Crap away! Jesus still loves you. And me. And them!!!

 

[kaylagrl]

Still struggling with this one. Especially when you consider that there were councils of men that decided which words would go into the Bible and also when you consider the various language translations.

Homosexuality is wrong the Bible is 100% clear on that in both the OT and NT. To say it is not is to lie.

 

[BenFTW]

And yet see how easily many of us do not show who God is do not show his love, many gays have come to cc seeking help I have met and talked with them. Several would tell me how they just saw the same thing they have always received from people in the bdf, they were not shown the heart and love of God they were not shown that they are deeply loved and cared about they instead felt worse about themselves that God couldn't possible forgive and love someone like them.

No one ever seems to realize the power their words have the way a single one of there post can destroy a persons heart, many will browse cc watching listening without ever posting and I have spoken with many of them. whenever we make a post we never realize that others see it and the kind of damage our words can do, if we do not show who God is then who will?

This is why my first post to this thread addressed homosexuals reading it. "God loves you." VVe don't want homosexuals to think God is against them, but people are arguing over whether Jesus was against homosexuality. Obviously He was, clearly revealed though His disciples words on the matter. The apostles in different epistles speak on the subject of homosexuality and it isn't a positive thing but listed among other sins.

Besides that point, amongst the passions of the conversations, I hope homosexuals understand that God loves them and doesn't condemn them, in Christ. He didn't come to condemn the world but save it. Their sins are taken at the cross, and they only need to receive that forgiveness as Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the world. Believe He died and resurrected for them.

People aren't condemning homosexuals, but just stating that the word of God is clear on what is sin. Again, God loves homosexuals and heterosexuals alike and Jesus died for all of us.