If homosexuality is an abomination to God, why do some Christians support it?

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blue_ladybug

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Scripture, please. Not Leviticus. The words of Jesus while He walked this world. Thank you.

So you believe that Jesus did NOT speak of homosexual behavior, when you're being given absolute proof that he did? That's nice. Open your bible, Magenta.
 

JosephsDreams

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Are they threads condemning adultery, or are they people coming in to talk about their adulterous spouse and ask for advice? I see plenty of the latter, sure.
If they are asking advice and prayer on how to deal with the problems of adultery, are they not implying that the action and thoughts of such a thing are condemned? Anyway, to even use the word condemn makes me uneasy. I would bot use that word if it was not in reply. Sin is not commendable, but neither will I condemn a persons sexual immorality as a blanket knee jerk routine response. Continual condemnation is from the devil. So many of us have had enough of our own stuff to deal with, and are so thankful of Gods forgiveness of our sins that we know better then to do that. Let God deal with it, and lead me. Beyond that, I will pray in humility and love.
 

Magenta

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So homosexuality is ok?

You seem to be defending it a lot. I know your not, but you need to start looking at things you say as an outsider would.


Oh and PS. To people who know the law. Sexual immorality would include all kinds of sexual sin, Including homosexuality.

So if Jesus said sexual immorality, He meant to include homosexuality in that sentence.

I hope outsiders come to ChristianChat.com and see that all Christians are not hateful bigots, and that whether or not something is said to be wrong in Scripture, we can still love those who are different from us, just as Jesus commanded. If I were to be seen as someone who could love a person that others cannot, I would count that as a great honor. It is terribly sad to me the way homosexuals have been persecuted and suffered as a result.
 

BenFTW

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I mean if we want to see what Jesus promoted in terms of proper relationships we have this verse...

Matthew 19:4-6King James Version (KJV)

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Context is divorce, but He in making these statements that represent heterosexual marriage. Therefore He stands for such, agreeing vvith God. He may have not said anything about homosexuality but he surely did of heterosexuality.
 
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I agree..the point was that Jesus did not mention them when He was on this earth..didn't speak about them..we all know or should know that He is against anything like this..

Jesus never said anything about incest or bestiality.I'm quite sure He is against it...and would call it a sin.

Anything that is contrary to our true identity in Christ is a sin.....the Holy Spirit in us will let us know what is good and pure and holy and that exhibits the life of Christ in us.

The law of the Spirit of Life in Christ sets us free from the law of sin and death.


That comment in red is absolutely not true. Jesus said anyone who has sex with an animal is to be put to death, and the animal is to die also. As far as incest, he doesn't want family members lying with family members, either.

 

BenFTW

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I hope outsiders come to ChristianChat.com and see that all Christians are not hateful bigots, and that whether or not something is said to be wrong in Scripture, we can still love those who are different from us, just as Jesus commanded. If I were to be seen as someone who could love a person that others cannot, I would count that as a great honor. It is terribly sad to me the way homosexuals have been persecuted and suffered as a result.
I get where you're coming from in that respect. Christ came to save the world, not condemn them. God loves them, and He will have His process of sanctification in all of us.
 
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Someone needs to start a new thread titled: "If it's in the Bible, can we assume that 'Jesus said it'?"
 

Magenta

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If they are asking advice and prayer on how to deal with the problems of adultery, are they not implying that the action and thoughts of such a thing are condemned?
No. That seems like a bit of a reach, a bit far fetched.

Anyway, to even use the word condemn makes me uneasy. I would bot use that word if it was not in reply. Sin is not commendable, but neither will I condemn a persons sexual immorality as a blanket knee jerk routine response. Continual condemnation is from the devil. So many of us have had enough of our own stuff to deal with, and are so thankful of Gods forgiveness of our sins that we know better then to do that. Let God deal with it, and lead me. Beyond that, I will pray in humility and love.
You are rare. Most people just jump on and condemn. Thank you.
 

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who has ever heard of a Christian "supporting" homosexuality?
if you have, i'm pretty sure that's a "false believer" or "pseudo-christian" you have in mind. or RINO's -- i like that one. thanks, Yet.

are we considering anyone who doesn't actively persecute homosexuals to be "supporting" them?




There is a difference between actively persecuting homosexuals and asserting that their behavior is unacceptable to God.
 

Magenta

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So you believe that Jesus did NOT speak of homosexual behavior, when you're being given absolute proof that he did? That's nice. Open your bible, Magenta.
Show me where to open it to see these words you are claiming Jesus said. Thank you.
 

blue_ladybug

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Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.


Leviticus 18:22 Thou shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.


Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


Romans 1:24-27
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature.
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the women, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.


1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


2 Timothy 3:1-7
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men will be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Scripture, please. Not Leviticus. The words of Jesus while He walked this world. Thank you.


Here is your proof. Solid, unrefutable proof, from the mouth of Jesus himself. :)
 

JosephsDreams

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Is not both the OT and the NT the words of Jesus?
Is not the bible the inspired word of God, written by man?
Did Moses make that up all by himself in the Torah?
 

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I have spoken with many Christians both online and offline but never have i found one that supports the gay sexual lifestyle, doesn't mean some don't but luckily I have not run across any. However I have noticed how some (Christians) are prone to bash the gays themselves not hating the sin and loving the sinner.

But I am not innocent of judging another either in the case of the gays I do not support their lief style but I also know some truly want to change and follow Christ but their desires are so always so easily discarded. Before I go about talking about how homosexuality is an abomination I take into account I was once an abomination but was shown grace and love had my tears wiped away was shown I mattered when all I knew was people thinking I didn't was cared for in my weakness and sadness was robed in love and light when all I had was sin and filth.
 

Magenta

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Scripture, please. Not Leviticus. The words of Jesus while He walked this world. Thank you.
Here is your proof. Solid, unrefutable proof, from the mouth of Jesus himself. :)
Most of that is Paul, and I specifically said NOT Leviticus, it is right there in what you quoted. Did you even read what I said? Care to try again? The words of Jesus, while He walked this world, explicitly saying anything about homosexuality. If you cannot rise to the challenge, and I know you cannot because such Scriptures do not exist, please just stop pretending you can. That homosexuality is mentioned elsewhere in Scripture is not the issue at all, and you really should have figured that part out by now :)
 

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I think the apostles position on homosexuality is a good argument, to make the point even clearer. VVho taught the apostles? Jesus. So would it matter what they had to say on homosexuality? He taught them after all, so can we assume their position is inline with Jesus. Right?

Romans 1:24-27 King James Version (KJV)

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

No
w, this isn't an anti-homosexual stance. I am simply stating what scripture says, that homosexuality (the act) is sin. God loves homosexuals, and He wants them to have faith in Jesus Christ unto salvation.
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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Jesus wrote Leviticus?
 

Magenta

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Is not both the OT and the NT the words of Jesus?
Is not the bible the inspired word of God, written by man?
Did Moses make that up all by himself in the Torah?
People are pretending that Jesus, while He walked this world during His earthly ministry, explicitly said anything about homosexuality. I would just like to see these Scriptures if they exist. I don't believe they do. Can you prove me wrong?
 

blue_ladybug

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Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.


Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.


Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


Romans 1:24-27
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.


1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


2 Timothy 3:1-7
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Most of that is Paul, and I specifically said NOT Leviticus, it is right there in what you quoted. Did you even read what I said? Care to try again? The words of Jesus, while He walked this world, explicitly saying anything about homosexuality. If you cannot rise to the challenge, and I know you cannot because such Scriptures do not exist, please just stop pretending you can. That homosexuality is mentioned elsewhere in Scripture is not the issue at all, and you really should have figured that part out by now :)
Stop being snotty, Magenta. Those verses came from EarsToHear, not me. I simply requoted his post. You must have bad eyesight because there ARE other verses than Leviticus in there. :) You should have figured out by now, that you've been proven wrong and you don't like it. You'd rather believe that Jesus stayed silent on homosexuality, even with the proof being presented to you by many posters here.
 

Magenta

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Stop being snotty, Magenta. Those verses came from EarsToHear, not me. I simply requoted his post. You must have bad eyesight because there ARE other verses than Leviticus in there. :) You should have figured out by now, that you've been proven wrong and you don't like it. You'd rather believe that Jesus stayed silent on homosexuality, even with the proof being presented to you by many posters here.
YOU presented them as proof to me, regardless of who posted them first. I am not being snotty. Can't you handle it when people stick to their guns? Am I too sassy for you? Does telling it like it is not suit you when someone else tells it to you like it is? I have asked for the words of Jesus while He walked this world and you are not allowed to move the goal posts to suit your agenda, sorry!
 
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