If Jesus returns in 2030

[Lovette]

So, all the records that indicate that there were two calendars operating in 1st century Palestine are wrong, even those dating to the 1st century? Might I ask where you got this information?

Also, if we follow your argument then both John and Paul are wrong, John claims that Jesus died on the day of preparation when the lambs were slaughtered, not on the evening of the first day of Passover, and Paul is wrong when he claims that Jesus is our Passover lamb, because again, by your logic, Jesus died too early.

Once again, I will point out that there are problems present in the accounts that require one to make a choice as to which is true. If "A" is true that is fine, but that means that "B" is not. The only real issue is if you want to insist that both "A" and "B" are both true because they contradict each other.

And I might note that claiming there was a "special" sabbath is not supported by the Greek. The Greek merely refers to the crucifixion occurring the day before the sabbath, no additional term to imply "special".

If Jesus was crucified on the Preparation Day, how could the Preparation Day have come AFTER the crucifixion? Shouldn't this be the end of the Preparation Day? At evening? How could it also be the start? John didn't claim Jesus died on the Preparation Day, you did. In Jn. 19:31, John meant the same as Mark meant in Mk. 15:42 - it was the next Jewish day already, and according to the Torah, an executed criminal shall not remain hanged overnight.

Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath ... (Mk. 15:42)

Now when evening (start of the Preparation Day, not end) had come ... on the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation ... (Matt. 27:57-62)

The only truth is that, there's a 24-hour preparation day and a 24-hour weekly Sabbath between the crucifixion and the resurrection. You still don't understand that a Jewish day STARTS at evening sundown.

 

[memberofthebride]

In correct culculation, Jewish nights and days must be used instead of Gregarian, a calendar day starts and ends at 6 pm. If your "thursday night" means Wednesday evening to Thusday morning, then you've missed Sunday night.

Christ was in the Tomb for 72 hours.
Christ stated there are 12 hours in a day.
3 days are 36 hours
God's 24 hours begin and end at sunset
died at 3:00 PM on our Wednesday -- mid week
put in tomb moments before sun set ended the 14 day of God's first month.
The 1/14th is Passover

sunset begin Thursday night - Gods 15th -- yes, man's days end at midnight so this was our Wednesday night
sunrise begin Thursday day

Sunset begin Friday night -- God's 16th
Sunrise begin Friday day

sunset begin Saturday night -- God's 17th -- our Friday night, our Saturday began at midnight
sunrise begin Saturday day

moments before the sun set ending the light/day of our Saturday --- He was resurrected

Christ was not resurrected on the day of the sun god - sun-day at sun rise

 

[memberofthebride]

Christ was in the Tomb for 72 hours.
Christ stated there are 12 hours in a day.
3 days are 36 hours
God's 24 hours begin and end at sunset
died at 3:00 PM on our Wednesday -- mid week
put in tomb moments before sun set ended the 14 day of God's first month.
The 1/14th is Passover

sunset begin Thursday night - Gods 15th -- yes, man's days end at midnight so this was our Wednesday night
sunrise begin Thursday day

Sunset begin Friday night -- God's 16th
Sunrise begin Friday day

sunset begin Saturday night -- God's 17th -- our Friday night, our Saturday began at midnight
sunrise begin Saturday day

moments before the sun set ending the light/day of our Saturday --- He was resurrected

Christ was not resurrected on the day of the sun god - sun-day at sun rise

Daniel 9
27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel was told Christ was to confirm the new covenant for one week -- 7 years, and at midweek our Wednesday His death would cause animal sacrifices to cease, as they all pointed to the ONE Sacrifice by Jesus Christ that would be payment for the sins of mankind.

Christ died at exactly 33 1/2 years of age after confirming the covenant for 3 1/2 years.

 

[Yahshua]

There is no clear evidence to support this claim or to justify the exclusion of the verse. Rather, in accordance with 1st century CE writing styles, it would seem to be original. If it is not original, then the proper guidelines would not have been followed and the entire gospel would have been dismissed as second rate literature and not worth preserving. A point often overlooked in assessing the gospels and Acts, there were literary standards and the standards were expected to be met if a work was to be deemed worthy f preservation.

Sure, there is evidence of tampering! The scriptures testify.

As required by law, all able-bodied males must travel to Jerusalem to participate in the three major Feasts of the year: Unleavened Bread (called Passover by translators), Feast of Weeks (later called Pentecost), and Feast of Tabernacles. If one can not make it to the feast, one still participates from afar to honor it. The Messiah must be perfectly obedient to the law to be an acceptable offering for our sins.

John 2:13, 23: "The Jewish Passover was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem."

John 5:1: After this, there was an (unnamed) feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

John 6:4: "The Jewish Passover was near." Jesus heads to the mountains.

John 7:2, 10, 37: Feast of Tabernacles/Booths. Jesus goes up in secret.

John 10:22: The Dedication (i.e., Hannukkah)

John 11:55: "Now the Jewish Passover was near, and many people went up from the country..."

John 12:1: "Six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany (within Jerusalem's vicinity)..."

John 13:1: "It was now just before the Passover Feast, and Jesus knew that his hour had come..."


The Messiah is either traveling to Jerusalem or already in Jerusalem for all three major feasts in obedience to the law. But in John 6:4, He doesn't even acknowledge it. When we remove John 6:4 we have a perfect timeline across the entire biblical calendar year detailing what the Messiah did.

Passover (Unleavened bread)
Unnamed Feast (Feast of Weeks)
Tabernacles
Hannukkah
Passover (Unleavened bread)


But with John 6:4 inserted, are we to believe the Messiah was camping with the multitude for months, skipping an unmentioned feast of tabernacles, ignoring the Passover of John 6:4, and skipping an unmentioned feast of weeks before continuing his ministry and traveling to Jerusalem for the feast of tabernacles? No, that's not likely. Notice that He doesn't even acknowledge the passover.


John 6:1-7
After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias.

2 And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased.

3 And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples.

4 And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.

5 When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?

6 And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do.

7 Philip answered him, Two hundred pennyworth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little.


So the passover was near, but the Messiah didn't travel to Jerusalem and instead headed up into the mountains where He stayed for MONTHS? Let's see what he feeds the multitude...maybe He's planning to honor the feast from afar (which requires a lamb by the way).


John 6:9
There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many?


So He feeds them fish and bread, not lamb. And the Greek word used for bread here is "artos", not "matzo", which is used in other places in the gospels that mention unleavened bread. So the Messiah didn't even acknowledge the High Sabbath at all. It's as if He never even knew it was there.


The gospels are accounts that are meant to show in part, that He was perfectly obedient to the law.

 

[Cameron143]

Christ was in the Tomb for 72 hours.
Christ stated there are 12 hours in a day.
3 days are 36 hours
God's 24 hours begin and end at sunset
died at 3:00 PM on our Wednesday -- mid week
put in tomb moments before sun set ended the 14 day of God's first month.
The 1/14th is Passover

sunset begin Thursday night - Gods 15th -- yes, man's days end at midnight so this was our Wednesday night
sunrise begin Thursday day

Sunset begin Friday night -- God's 16th
Sunrise begin Friday day

sunset begin Saturday night -- God's 17th -- our Friday night, our Saturday began at midnight
sunrise begin Saturday day

moments before the sun set ending the light/day of our Saturday --- He was resurrected

Christ was not resurrected on the day of the sun god - sun-day at sun rise

He rose the third day. If He was in the tomb 72 hours, He would have risen the fourth day.

 

[rewriter]

If Jesus was crucified on the Preparation Day, how could the Preparation Day have come AFTER the crucifixion? Shouldn't this be the end of the Preparation Day? At evening? How could it also be the start? John didn't claim Jesus died on the Preparation Day, you did. In Jn. 19:31, John meant the same as Mark meant in Mk. 15:42 - it was the next Jewish day already, and according to the Torah, an executed criminal shall not remain hanged overnight.

Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath ... (Mk. 15:42)

Now when evening (start of the Preparation Day, not end) had come ... on the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation ... (Matt. 27:57-62)

The only truth is that, there's a 24-hour preparation day and a 24-hour weekly Sabbath between the crucifixion and the resurrection. You still don't understand that a Jewish day STARTS at evening sundown.

Oh PLEASE tell me more about what I do and do not know. You are so wise. You probably can tell me why I, and all the biblical experts who agree with me, am wrong about there being a connection between the issue of women's hair in Corinth and 2 Timothy 3:!6. Now a simple statement of "there is none" would reveal your ignorance since you will not be referencing the logic and showing where it is wrong, so be sure to reference the logic, or else admit that you simply do not know what I know and cannot know it unless I explicitly share it with you. Of course, such an admission would also be admitting that you are making false statements about me, but that is your choice. Prove that you know what I know and am thinking or quit FALSELY (thou shalt not bear false witness) proclaiming it.

 

[memberofthebride]

He rose the third day. If He was in the tomb 72 hours, He would have risen the fourth day.

so you are counting a few seconds or minutes of our afternoon Wednesday as a 12 hour day

a God day is 12 hours, 3 full 12 hour days and 3 full 12 hour nights -- the above is correct, and it is not a piece of this day and piece of this night -- each day and night a full 12 hours.

don't confuse man's day with God's

 

[Cameron143]

so you are counting a few seconds or minutes of our afternoon Wednesday as a 12 hour day

a God day is 12 hours, 3 full 12 hour days and 3 full 12 hour nights -- the above is correct, and it is not a piece of this day and piece of this night -- each day and night a full 12 hours.

don't confuse man's day with God's

I'm not confusing anything. 72 hours from any point will be a 4th day.

 

[rewriter]

Sure, there is evidence of tampering! The scriptures testify.

As required by law, all able-bodied males must travel to Jerusalem to participate in the three major Feasts of the year: Unleavened Bread (called Passover by translators), Feast of Weeks (later called Pentecost), and Feast of Tabernacles. If one can not make it to the feast, one still participates from afar to honor it. The Messiah must be perfectly obedient to the law to be an acceptable offering for our sins.

John 2:13, 23: "The Jewish Passover was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem."

John 5:1: After this, there was an (unnamed) feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

John 6:4: "The Jewish Passover was near." Jesus heads to the mountains.

John 7:2, 10, 37: Feast of Tabernacles/Booths. Jesus goes up in secret.

John 10:22: The Dedication (i.e., Hannukkah)

John 11:55: "Now the Jewish Passover was near, and many people went up from the country..."

John 12:1: "Six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany (within Jerusalem's vicinity)..."

John 13:1: "It was now just before the Passover Feast, and Jesus knew that his hour had come..."


The Messiah is either traveling to Jerusalem or already in Jerusalem for all three major feasts in obedience to the law. But in John 6:4, He doesn't even acknowledge it. When we remove John 6:4 we have a perfect timeline across the entire biblical calendar year detailing what the Messiah did.

Passover (Unleavened bread)
Unnamed Feast (Feast of Weeks)
Tabernacles
Hannukkah
Passover (Unleavened bread)


But with John 6:4 inserted, are we to believe the Messiah was camping with the multitude for months, skipping an unmentioned feast of tabernacles, ignoring the Passover of John 6:4, and skipping an unmentioned feast of weeks before continuing his ministry and traveling to Jerusalem for the feast of tabernacles? No, that's not likely. Notice that He doesn't even acknowledge the passover.


John 6:1-7
After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias.

2 And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased.

3 And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples.

4 And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.

5 When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?

6 And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do.

7 Philip answered him, Two hundred pennyworth of bread is not sufficient for them, that every one of them may take a little.


So the passover was near, but the Messiah didn't travel to Jerusalem and instead headed up into the mountains where He stayed for MONTHS? Let's see what he feeds the multitude...maybe He's planning to honor the feast from afar (which requires a lamb by the way).


John 6:9
There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many?


So He feeds them fish and bread, not lamb. And the Greek word used for bread here is "artos", not "matzo", which is used in other places in the gospels that mention unleavened bread. So the Messiah didn't even acknowledge the High Sabbath at all. It's as if He never even knew it was there.


The gospels are accounts that are meant to show in part, that He was perfectly obedient to the law.

The key phrase that you ignore is "was NEAR". It does not tell us whether or not Jesus went to Jerusalem. It is quite possible for me to have plans to soon have a festive meal with family who live north of me, so I headed south and eat at a favorite restaurant. Did I miss the festive meal with family, nope, I merely took a side trip to do something I wanted to do before I arrived for the family feast.

You provide no reference for how long Jesus spent in the mountains, nor even that He did more than go up a single mountain and realized that He had been followed by more people than He expected and then took action to feed them. Was the mountain in the general direction of Jerusalem, you provide no evidence, and in fact there was a very popular route to Jerusalem from the Sea of Galilee that ran close to some mountains.

You are adding your own suppositions to scripture. Be careful that your own suppositions do not cause you to unknowingly ignore scripture. You may ignore scripture, but if you do make it be by a conscious choice that you are willing to defend with logic and evidence.

 

[Lovette]

Oh PLEASE tell me more about what I do and do not know. You are so wise. You probably can tell me why I, and all the biblical experts who agree with me, am wrong about there being a connection between the issue of women's hair in Corinth and 2 Timothy 3:!6. Now a simple statement of "there is none" would reveal your ignorance since you will not be referencing the logic and showing where it is wrong, so be sure to reference the logic, or else admit that you simply do not know what I know and cannot know it unless I explicitly share it with you. Of course, such an admission would also be admitting that you are making false statements about me, but that is your choice. Prove that you know what I know and am thinking or quit FALSELY (thou shalt not bear false witness) proclaiming it.

The logic is Lord Jesus's prophecy of being buried THREE NIGHTS and THREE DAYS. If He was crucified on Friday and died in the afternoon, it would be only two nights; if Wednesday, then four nights; the only day that fits the prophecy was Thursday. \

You mock me as ignorant, but go ask a biblically illiterate and ignorant person, "which day of a week is it three days before Sunday?" Believe it or not, most people would correctly answer THURSDAY. Only you and so called scholars would complicate such a simple matter.

 

[Lovette]

Christ was in the Tomb for 72 hours.
Christ stated there are 12 hours in a day.
3 days are 36 hours
God's 24 hours begin and end at sunset
died at 3:00 PM on our Wednesday -- mid week
put in tomb moments before sun set ended the 14 day of God's first month.
The 1/14th is Passover

sunset begin Thursday night - Gods 15th -- yes, man's days end at midnight so this was our Wednesday night
sunrise begin Thursday day

Sunset begin Friday night -- God's 16th
Sunrise begin Friday day

sunset begin Saturday night -- God's 17th -- our Friday night, our Saturday began at midnight
sunrise begin Saturday day

moments before the sun set ending the light/day of our Saturday --- He was resurrected

Christ was not resurrected on the day of the sun god - sun-day at sun rise

Pfft, have a good "sun" day, may God have mercy on you.

 

[PaulThomson]

Who makes sacrifices in the temple anymore since 70 ad when Jerusalem and it’s temple was destroyed ?

Are those animal sacrifices coming back again after two thousand years ? And then later the “ antichrist “ is going to stop them from occurring ? Doesn’t make sense if they haven’t happened in near ought 2 millennium…..we’re gonna get a pattern again of unspotted lambs daily sacrificed for atonement ?

i thought Jesus atoned once for all ?

I make sacrifices and offering of praise and service to the Lord, and I am in His temple. When Christians in Jerusalem are banned from worshipping in Jerusalem then sacrifices and offerings will have been made to cease in Jerusalem.

 

[PaulThomson]

The logic is Lord Jesus's prophecy of being buried THREE NIGHTS and THREE DAYS. If He was crucified on Friday and died in the afternoon, it would be only two nights; if Wednesday, then four nights; the only day that fits the prophecy was Thursday. \

You mock me as ignorant, but go ask a biblically illiterate and ignorant person, "which day of a week is it three days before Sunday?" Believe it or not, most people would correctly answer THURSDAY. Only you and so called scholars would complicate such a simple matter.

Jesus does not say he would be BURIED three days and three nights. We should read His words more carefully.

 

[Lovette]

Jesus does not say he would be BURIED three days and three nights. We should read His words more carefully.

"For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." If "in the heart of the earth" doesn't count as buried, I don't know what does.

 

[PaulThomson]

"For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." If "in the heart of the earth" doesn't count as buried, I don't know what does.

The Greek for “in the heart of the earth" is "en tEi kardiai tEs gEs” literally: in the heart of the land/country. What is the historical heart of Israel? The Temple Mount. Also the political centre of Israel, the belly of the beast, was the Temple Mount.

Physically, Jesus was in the Temple Mount following His arrest on Thursday after midnight, until His ascension to the Father after His meeting with Mary Magdalene outside the tomb on Resurrection Sunday morning. Three days and three nights. It was the first time Jesus had remained in Jerusalem overnight since the time Jews decided to kill Him. He would spend the nights in Bethany, across the Brook Kidron off the Temple Mount.

Jonah was in the belly of an unclean beast, a whale, for three days and three nights. He was dead, and his soul in sheol, only for some, not all, of that time. He prayed to God out of sheol. God made the whale spit him out onto the shores near Nineveh, after resurrecting him inside the whale.

 

[Lovette]

The Greek for “in the heart of the earth" is "en tEi kardiai tEs gEs” literally: in the heart of the land/country. What is the historical heart of Israel? The Temple Mount. Also the political centre of Israel, the belly of the beast, was the Temple Mount.

Physically, Jesus was in the Temple Mount following His arrest on Thursday after midnight, until His ascension to the Father after His meeting with Mary Magdalene outside the tomb on Resurrection Sunday morning. Three days and three nights. It was the first time Jesus had remained in Jerusalem overnight since the time Jews decided to kill Him. He would spend the nights in Bethany, across the Brook Kidron off the Temple Mount.

Jonah was in the belly of an unclean beast, a whale, for three days and three nights. He was dead, and his soul in sheol, only for some, not all, of that time. He prayed to God out of sheol. God made the whale spit him out onto the shores near Nineveh, after resurrecting him inside the whale.

Alright, nonetheless He was to be raised on the third day, which required three whole 12-hour nights, since night precedes day.

 

[PaulThomson]

Alright, nonetheless He was to be raised on the third day, which required three whole 12-hour nights, since night precedes day.

According to Jewish inclusive reckoning, part of a day is counted as one day, Jesus’ body died during daylight on the Friday afternoon, was in the grave all Saturday and revived during the dawning of the Sunday - one part day, one whole day and one part day - by Jewish inclusive reckoning "on the third day", "within three days", and "after three days”. Three days by Jewish inclusive reckoning only requires two full nights.

 

[Yahshua]

You are adding your own suppositions to scripture. Be careful that your own suppositions do not cause you to unknowingly ignore scripture

...meanwhile...

It is quite possible for me to have plans to soon have a festive meal with family who live north of me, so I headed south and eat at a favorite restaurant. Did I miss the festive meal with family, nope, I merely took a side trip to do something I wanted to do before I arrived for the family feast.

You are adding your own suppositions to scripture. Be careful that your own suppositions do not cause you to unknowingly ignore scripture.

...meanwhile...

You provide no reference for how long Jesus spent in the mountains, nor even that He did more than go up a single mountain and realized that He had been followed by more people than He expected and then took action to feed them. Was the mountain in the general direction of Jerusalem, you provide no evidence, and in fact there was a very popular route to Jerusalem from the Sea of Galilee that ran close to some mountains.

You may ignore scripture, but if you do make it be by a conscious choice that you are willing to defend with logic and evidence.

Here it is...

The gospel of John is in chronological order, using phrases like "after this" and detailing where the Messiah goes each time and why, because this account is meant to prove He is the promised Messiah. He MUST obey the law. He must.


John 5:1
After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.


John 5:2-47
[Healing of the man at the pool of Shiloah]
[Contention with religious leadership at the temple]


John 6:1-5
After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias.

2 And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased.

3 And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples.

4 And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.

5 When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?


John 6:6-13
[The miracle of feeding the multitude]


John 6:14-17
Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.

15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.

16 And when evening had now come, his disciples went down unto the sea,

17 And entered into a ship, and went over the sea toward Capernaum. And it was now dark, and Jesus was not come to them.


John 6:18-21
[The Miracle of walking on water]


John 22-24
22 The day following, when the people which stood on the other side of the sea saw that there was none other boat there, save that one whereinto his disciples were entered, and that Jesus went not with his disciples into the boat, but that his disciples were gone away alone;

23 (Howbeit there came other boats from Tiberias nigh unto the place where they did eat bread, after that the Lord had given thanks

24 When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.


John 6:25-58
[The lesson of being the bread of life]


59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

John 6:60-71
[Most disciples abandon the Messiah except for the 12 apostles]


John 7:1-2
After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.
2 Now the Jew's feast of tabernacles was at hand.
10 But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.


This is why understanding all aspects of the culture the Messiah came from is important, especially the feasts: when they happen, and what rules are required for them. The following section is a literal outline of times and events pulled from the text I just shared above. You will see there isn't any supposition, just pure facts.


1. A Feast of the Jews - Messiah goes to Jerusalem
2. He heals at the temple & fights with religious leadership
3. After that event, he goes to Galilee and heads up a mountain
4. Another supposed Passover feast of the Jews is near

[Break for some logic]

• Messiah just left Jerusalem after a feast
• Passover is in the Spring
• Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) is in the Summer
• Tabernacles is in the Fall
• Dedications (Hannukkah) is in the Winter, and then the year repeats
• This means, if we keep John 6:4, the Messiah stayed in the mountains for 1.5 years, with not so much as another word or deed recorded by any gospel witness...until He saw the multitude.

5. A multitude follows him, and he comes down and feeds them
6. Men seek to make Him their king, so he returns to the mountain.

[Break for some logic]

• These men are Jews, evidenced by their wanting to make the Messiah their king.
• This multitude of men ALSO IGNORES the supposed passover feast and the law's requirement for able-bodied men to go to Jerusalem
  • Exodus 23:14-17, Deuteronomy 16:16
• This was AN IMPORTANT festival in their culture because it was when personal household sins were paid for with the shedding of a lamb's blood. They wouldn't have another chance to pay for their sins until the following year. Remember, they didn't know what the Messiah was here to do at the time.

7. When evening comes, the Messiah and disciples go to Capernaum
8. The following day, the multitude follows Him to Capernaum
9. He teaches in Capernaum, but the multitude abandons Him
10. After that event, the Messiah goes to Galilee to stay away from the other Jews
11. Feast of Tabernacles - Messiah goes to Jerusalem in secret
12. The Messiah is found preaching in Jerusalem


This supposed 3rd Passover is only in the gospel of John and is the only text used to prove the Messiah had a 3.5-year ministry. But its placement breaks the literal flow of the account and introduces cultural contradictions to the narrative. All four gospel accounts can be synchronized in time at the feeding of the 5000, and when we put everything together, John 6:4 is out of place. The feeding of the 5000 occurs 8 days before the preparation for the Feast of Tabernacles (the fall feast), so it is literally impossible for there to have been a Passover near that time (because it is the Spring feast).

According to Matthew 14:22-17:9, Mark 6:45-9:10, and Luke 9:17-36, the feeding of the 5000 occurred 12 days before the Transfiguration, which, if we do the math, means the transfiguration occurred on Yom Kippur (the 10th day of the 7th month).


The Messiah's ministry was just over 1 year long; 490 days; 70 weeks.

 

[ThunderPen]

1918-1920 pandemic
1920-1929 general good times
1929-1930 great depression
1933 turn in gold for paper money.
1939 WW2

2018-2020 pandemic
2020-2029 general good times
2029-2030 depression
2033 turn in paper for digital money
2039 WW3

1967-2037 is the latest 70 year captivity in Israel.
I think the two prophets will arrive around 2037.
The enemy intends to mask their arrival with the notions of extraterrestrials, and with ww3. Having the world to believe they are bad 'humanoid aliens' and having the news of WW3 overshadow their arrival. And he plans to simply kill most of those who would see the two prophets correctly. Indeed the end is nigh.

2051 is likely the arrival of the false prophet.

Genesis 24:51 Genesis 24:58
Leviticus 25:10 (2 51 0)
Ezekiel 44:7 (44+7 = 51)
Jeremiah 51:51
Matthew 24:27 (51)
Matthew 24 has 51 verses.
Luke 12:39 (51)
Luke 17:34 (51)
1 Corinthians 15:51-58
Let Revelation 2:1 be 2001 and count till Jesus words finish, you'll reach 2051.

Our Bible has been tainted, and twisted, that is why I think the above happened, it's very spooky, and I think it's a deceptive sign, the year of the false prophet not the real one.

 

[rewriter]

...meanwhile...



...meanwhile...




Here it is...

The gospel of John is in chronological order, using phrases like "after this" and detailing where the Messiah goes each time and why, because this account is meant to prove He is the promised Messiah. He MUST obey the law. He must.


John 5:1
After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.


John 5:2-47
[Healing of the man at the pool of Shiloah]
[Contention with religious leadership at the temple]


John 6:1-5
After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias.

2 And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased.

3 And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples.

4 And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.

5 When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat?


John 6:6-13
[The miracle of feeding the multitude]


John 6:14-17
Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.

15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.

16 And when evening had now come, his disciples went down unto the sea,

17 And entered into a ship, and went over the sea toward Capernaum. And it was now dark, and Jesus was not come to them.


John 6:18-21
[The Miracle of walking on water]


John 22-24
22 The day following, when the people which stood on the other side of the sea saw that there was none other boat there, save that one whereinto his disciples were entered, and that Jesus went not with his disciples into the boat, but that his disciples were gone away alone;

23 (Howbeit there came other boats from Tiberias nigh unto the place where they did eat bread, after that the Lord had given thanks

24 When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.


John 6:25-58
[The lesson of being the bread of life]


59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

John 6:60-71
[Most disciples abandon the Messiah except for the 12 apostles]


John 7:1-2
After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.
2 Now the Jew's feast of tabernacles was at hand.
10 But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.


This is why understanding all aspects of the culture the Messiah came from is important, especially the feasts: when they happen, and what rules are required for them. The following section is a literal outline of times and events pulled from the text I just shared above. You will see there isn't any supposition, just pure facts.


1. A Feast of the Jews - Messiah goes to Jerusalem
2. He heals at the temple & fights with religious leadership
3. After that event, he goes to Galilee and heads up a mountain
4. Another supposed Passover feast of the Jews is near

[Break for some logic]

• Messiah just left Jerusalem after a feast
• Passover is in the Spring
• Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) is in the Summer
• Tabernacles is in the Fall
• Dedications (Hannukkah) is in the Winter, and then the year repeats
• This means, if we keep John 6:4, the Messiah stayed in the mountains for 1.5 years, with not so much as another word or deed recorded by any gospel witness...until He saw the multitude.

5. A multitude follows him, and he comes down and feeds them
6. Men seek to make Him their king, so he returns to the mountain.

[Break for some logic]

• These men are Jews, evidenced by their wanting to make the Messiah their king.
• This multitude of men ALSO IGNORES the supposed passover feast and the law's requirement for able-bodied men to go to Jerusalem
  • Exodus 23:14-17, Deuteronomy 16:16
• This was AN IMPORTANT festival in their culture because it was when personal household sins were paid for with the shedding of a lamb's blood. They wouldn't have another chance to pay for their sins until the following year. Remember, they didn't know what the Messiah was here to do at the time.

7. When evening comes, the Messiah and disciples go to Capernaum
8. The following day, the multitude follows Him to Capernaum
9. He teaches in Capernaum, but the multitude abandons Him
10. After that event, the Messiah goes to Galilee to stay away from the other Jews
11. Feast of Tabernacles - Messiah goes to Jerusalem in secret
12. The Messiah is found preaching in Jerusalem


This supposed 3rd Passover is only in the gospel of John and is the only text used to prove the Messiah had a 3.5-year ministry. But its placement breaks the literal flow of the account and introduces cultural contradictions to the narrative. All four gospel accounts can be synchronized in time at the feeding of the 5000, and when we put everything together, John 6:4 is out of place. The feeding of the 5000 occurs 8 days before the preparation for the Feast of Tabernacles (the fall feast), so it is literally impossible for there to have been a Passover near that time (because it is the Spring feast).

According to Matthew 14:22-17:9, Mark 6:45-9:10, and Luke 9:17-36, the feeding of the 5000 occurred 12 days before the Transfiguration, which, if we do the math, means the transfiguration occurred on Yom Kippur (the 10th day of the 7th month).


The Messiah's ministry was just over 1 year long; 490 days; 70 weeks.

Your argument that John is chronological would have more merit if you also acknowledged that there is strong evidence that it has been edited and that it appears some sections were moved. A knowledge of travel routes in the 1st century would also be beneficial.

The Gospel of John is also the only gospel reportedly written by an eyewitness, and if one accepts the testimony of Eusebius, it would seem that this supposed eyewitness had excellent reason to know much about Jesus's life and actions, especially in the Jerusalem area. Of the other three gospels, Matthew and Luke imply a single year ministry but fail to provide evidence of how all the probable time between the reported beginning and end of Jesus's ministry was spent. Mark is vague and could easily cover three years just as the ancient work that Mark appears to have largely followed for general style (an expected writing style for worthwhile writing in the 1st century) also covers multiple years without specifying the passage of time. Now as for Matthew and Luke, they are both clearly dependent on Mark, and likely have political reasons to avoid John, although Luke does borrow a little from John. Now since Mark is vague on timing, and John is politically dangerous, implying that John's timeline might be flawed becomes politically expedient.

But then your approach renders that all irrelevant as it allows John to not be historically accurate, clearly not the message God intended to provide and thus potentially not scripture because you find it less than truthful and scripture must be true.