If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

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pittsburghjoe

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If JESUS is going to go and prepare a place for us, why would The Kingdom remain here?

John 14:2-3​
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.​
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.​

People that overcome ...doesn't that mean now?

Revelation 3:12​
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.​


Is the Judgment by JESUS to end Jerusalem tell us that He is Reigning over The House of Jacob from Mount Zion (GOD'S Kingdom) as a King (Luke 19:41-44)? "and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."

If the Reborn are Kingdom Ambassadors, why are we waiting for a physical Kingdom like the Jews are? They are waiting for a Messianic Age, are we also or is LORD JESUS CHRIST Reigning right now?

Check out “amillennial eschatology”. What do people think is going on when they become Reborn? i’ll tell you, He becomes our KING.

Jews still haven’t figured out that GOD’S Kingdom isn’t physical. You become Reborn to enter it. You become Reborn for a Relationship with GOD.

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What Anointed King matches to the King in Psalm 72? What Jewish King asks for prayers continually besides the Ultimate King (Psa 72:15)? "prayer also shall be made for him continually; and daily shall he be praised."
 
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If we were to rightly divide the Word of Truth concerning this, we would have to by all means mention that which settles the matter, which the Lord Jesus Christ told us plainly, namely "My kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36)
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
People that overcome ...doesn't that mean now?
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*** yes it means now... in the life that now is and that which is to come (1Timothy 4:8), Jesus also mentions His Father's house was in John 2:16, but, "if" it weren't now, why would Jesus even say what He said in John 14:29?

Why? did Peter and Paul write:

1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Ephesians 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

Ephesians 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

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1 Timothy 4:8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.

John 2:16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

John 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
 
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lastofall said:
If we were to rightly divide the Word of Truth concerning this, we would have to by all means mention that which settles the matter, which the Lord Jesus Christ told us plainly, namely "My kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36)
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If...

John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

no believer is "of this world"

1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Galatians 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

2 Timothy 2:4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
If JESUS is going to go and prepare a place for us, why would The Kingdom remain here?

John 14:2-3​
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.​
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.​

People that overcome ...doesn't that mean now?

Revelation 3:12​
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.​


Is the Judgment by JESUS to end Jerusalem tell us that He is Reigning over The House of Jacob from Mount Zion (GOD'S Kingdom) as a King (Luke 19:41-44)? "and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."

If the Reborn are Kingdom Ambassadors, why are we waiting for a physical Kingdom like the Jews are? They are waiting for a Messianic Age, are we also or is LORD JESUS CHRIST Reigning right now?

Check out “amillennial eschatology”. What do people think is going on when they become Reborn? i’ll tell you, He becomes our KING.

Jews still haven’t figured out that GOD’S Kingdom isn’t physical. You become Reborn to enter it. You become Reborn for a Relationship with GOD.

very short video:


What Anointed King matches to the King in Psalm 72? What Jewish King asks for prayers continually besides the Ultimate King (Psa 72:15)? "prayer also shall be made for him continually; and daily shall he be praised."
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Jesus is definitely going to have His Kingdom on this earth!

When most folks read John 18:36 they fail to read the last line in that verse.

"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

Because the Jews rejected Him the Kingdom was delayed. Of course God knew this would happen.

He came to set up His Kingdom on earth but the Jews rejected Him and now for the past 2000 years or so the Kingdom of God has been delayed.

The Jews were to accept Christ and introduce the Messiah to the world, but they failed, and God chose the Church to carry out this mission. We must realize that the Church is God's second choice! His original choice was His chosen people, the Jews!

The Second Coming is when Jesus sets up His Kingdom on this earth.

Matt. 25:31-32

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:"

This is when the Kingdom Age begins on earth with Christ reigning from David's throne in Jerusalem.

Much to be said, but I'll stop here for now.
 
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John 14:18-21,28
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


John 14:22-23
Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
John 14:18-21,28
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
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Until the Second Coming of Christ the Kingdom of God lives in the hearts of man by faith in Jesus Christ.

This is what Jesus was trying to tell the Pharisees, but they could understand nothing spiritual.
 
pittsburghjoe

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Charlie24 said:
Until the Second Coming of Christ the Kingdom of God lives in the hearts of man by faith in Jesus Christ.

This is what Jesus was trying to tell the Pharisees, but they could understand nothing spiritual.
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LORD JESUS CHRIST'S Reign is NOW.

If the legs of nebuchadnezzar's dream statue was iron (Rome), does that mean the feet represents the papacy/vatican because iron is mixed in? Did the stone that destroyed the statue become Mount Zion (GOD'S Kingdom) with the Reformation?
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
LORD JESUS CHRIST'S Reign is NOW.

If the legs of nebuchadnezzar's dream statue was iron (Rome), does that mean the feet represents the papacy/vatican because iron is mixed in? Did the stone that destroyed the statue become Mount Zion (GOD's Kingdom) with the Reformation?
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If Christ is reigning over this earth right now, He's doing a very poor job, wouldn't you think?

No sir, the scripture says "He will rule with a rod of iron." The entire world will fall under His rule and they will obey or no rain will come to that land, etc, etc.
 
pittsburghjoe

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Charlie24 said:
If Christ is reigning over this earth right now, He's doing a very poor job, wouldn't you think?

No sir, the scripture says "He will rule with a rod of iron." The entire world will fall under His rule and they will obey or no rain will come to that land, etc, etc.
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When this place is done ...it is done. JESUS prepared a place for us ...not here. What sense does a Reign make after the end? And somehow people are around after 1000 years of it for satan to deceive again? what? People would have direct proof of JESUS ..no one is that dumb to go against GOD.
 
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When this place is done ...it is done. JESUS prepared a place for us ...not here. What sense does a Reign make after the end? And somehow people are around after 1000 years of it for satan to deceive again? what? People would have direct proof of JESUS ..no one is that dumb to go against GOD.
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That's how corrupt the heart of man is, even while Christ is reigning on earth an insurrection will rise in the people who refuse to believe and obey Christ. Of course, they will be immediately put down, as the scripture says.

Have you read the scripture where John said that he saw New Jerusalem and new earth coming down from heaven as a bride prepared for her husband? Rev. 21

This is when all sin taken from earth, not a trace of sin left. Man is perfect and so will he ever be with his Redeemer.
 
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This "If" you can see.... shows it always has been, none entered through the first covenant, and who now will enter in in the new covenant ?

Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Jesus rebuked them because of it...

Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

not of this world remember?

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

where?

Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

It's all about Jesus !!!
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
If JESUS is going to go and prepare a place for us, why would The Kingdom remain here?

John 14:2-3In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
People that overcome ...doesn't that mean now?

Revelation 3:12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
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All the time we hear Christians say, "I've got a mansion in the sky!” Let’s check out this word: The term "mansions" is pronounced “mon ay” in the Strong's Greek lexicon (# 3438). It refers to a safe haven where one can relax and unwind. For a Christian, this resting place is in Christ. Jesus is reassuring us that, as Christians, we never have to worry. This is Jesus' promise to you and me today, just as much as it was to those eleven disciples sitting at the supper table with Him two thousand years ago. Jesus is telling us that we can count on Him; He is returning to earth to receive His own and be with them here on earth during the Millennium age Kingdom.
 
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Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Hebrews 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Acts 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

God of the living!
 
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Mofastus said:
This "If" you can see.... shows it always has been, none entered through the first covenant, and who now will enter in the new covenant ?
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Wait, is that true? i might have evidence of it.

If there are "many" that will awake (Daniel 12:2) and "many" Saints awoke after JESUS'S Resurrection (Matthew 27:52-53), is it telling us the OT was fulfilled and the previous Jews before JESUS were grandfathered into the Messianic Age?
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
If JESUS is going to go and prepare a place for us, why would The Kingdom remain here?

John 14:2-3​
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.​
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.​

People that overcome ...doesn't that mean now?

Revelation 3:12​
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.​


Is the Judgment by JESUS to end Jerusalem tell us that He is Reigning over The House of Jacob from Mount Zion (GOD'S Kingdom) as a King (Luke 19:41-44)? "and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."

If the Reborn are Kingdom Ambassadors, why are we waiting for a physical Kingdom like the Jews are? They are waiting for a Messianic Age, are we also or is LORD JESUS CHRIST Reigning right now?

Check out “amillennial eschatology”. What do people think is going on when they become Reborn? i’ll tell you, He becomes our KING.

Jews still haven’t figured out that GOD’S Kingdom isn’t physical. You become Reborn to enter it. You become Reborn for a Relationship with GOD.

very short video:


What Anointed King matches to the King in Psalm 72? What Jewish King asks for prayers continually besides the Ultimate King (Psa 72:15)? "prayer also shall be made for him continually; and daily shall he be praised."
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Do you think that Christ's ministry was a foreshadow of what we can expect in the millennial kingdom?
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
LORD JESUS CHRIST'S Reign is NOW.

If the legs of nebuchadnezzar's dream statue was iron (Rome), does that mean the feet represents the papacy/vatican because iron is mixed in? Did the stone that destroyed the statue become Mount Zion (GOD'S Kingdom) with the Reformation?
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Actually, Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father making intercession for His saints on earth. He is a Prince, the King in waiting.

Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
 
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To the title question: It is here, so the question is moot.
 
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Jesus promised in Mark 9:1

“And He said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the Kingdom of God come (((WITH POWER”)))

His (((POWER))) we received after Holy Spirit baptism (Acts 1:5; 8) when the Kingdom of GOD (((CAME!)))

Who “set us in heavenly places in Christ Jesus” (Ephesians 2:6)

The Kingdom of God (((WITH POWER)))!

““But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the Kingdom of God is come upon you.” (Luke 11:20).

“For the Kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.” (Romans 14:17–19)!
 
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