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I've never read any of Mother Teresa's books, but I have read a book titled:

Mother Teresa / Come Be My Light
The Private Writings of the "Saint of Calcutta"
ISBN 978-0-385-52037-9


The book is a collection of Teresa's confidential letters written to spiritual
counselors. It isn't a rogue attempt to undermine the famous nun, rather, it
was compiled by Rev. Brian Kolodiejchuk M.C -- a director of the Mother
Teresa Center, and a Postulator in favor of her canonization --and it was
published with hierarchal approval.


In her letters, Teresa complained that she felt not the slightest glimmer of
the Lord's presence during virtually her entire five decades in India; which
eventually led Teresa to label Jesus the "absent one".


In one of her letters, penned to a Father Picachy, Teresa complained: "I am
told God loves me; and yet the reality of darkness & coldness & emptiness is
so great that nothing touches my soul."


In yet another letter, penned to a Father Joseph Neuner, S.J. Teresa
confessed: Now Father-- since 1949 or 1950 this terrible sense of loss-- this
untold darkness-- this loneliness, this continual longing for God-- which
gives me pain deep down in my heart-- Darkness is such that I really do not
see neither with my mind nor with my reason-- the place of God in my soul
is blank-- There is no God in me-- when the pain of longing is so great-- I
just long & long for God-- and then it is that I feel-- He does not want me--
He is not there-- God does not want me-- Sometimes-- I just hear my own
heart cry out-- "My God" and nothing else comes-- the torture and pain I
can't explain--


Teresa's "reality of darkness & coldness & emptiness" and her remarks "the
place of God in my soul is blank" and "There is no God in me" is a
depressing commentary on her deplorable spiritual condition. God, in the
person of Christ, is supposed to be in personal contact with every believer;
even the lowly ones who don't count for much in the grand scheme of
things.


Rom 8:15 . . For you have not received a spirit of slavery again to fear;
but you have received a spirit of adoption, whereby we call out: Abba,
Father!


Gal 4:6-7 . . And because you are sons, God has sent forth the spirit of His
son into your hearts, calling out: Abba, Father! Therefore you are no longer
a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.


Rom 8:16 . .The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's
children.


Not one of those three things happened for Teresa!

The tragic part of her experience was that Teresa sensed something was
very broken in her association with God and looked to her counselors for
answers, but they had none that were useful so the poor woman left this life
not only wondering if there is a God out there, but also wondering if perchance
the is one: He might quite possibly be disposed to condemn her.


* The poor woman became seriously disturbed during the final weeks of her
life. At the urging of Henry D'Souza, the Archbishop of Calcutta (a.k.a. Kolkata)
Teresa agreed to an exorcism-- performed by Father Rosario Stroscio --to

disperse any demons in the vicinity that might be clouding her mind.
_
 

Wansvic

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#42
How can anyone know that they are truly "trusting" the Word of God and not simply trusting in their own understanding of the Word of God? What makes you think that your understanding of the Bible is correct?


Again, how do you know you are speaking in a unknown tongues? If the "tongues" you are speaking of are simply glossolalia would this not mean you are in error?
I don't require proof. I have faith.

Speaking in tongues is not something I initiate. I begin praying in my known language and my language changes. According to the word, it is at those times that mysteries are being conveyed directly into my renewed spirit by the Holy Spirit of God. He knows what I need and edifies me through the intimate exchange. Giving Him control is an act of faith.
 

Wansvic

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#43
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I've never read any of Mother Teresa's books, but I have read a book titled:

Mother Teresa / Come Be My Light
The Private Writings of the "Saint of Calcutta"
ISBN 978-0-385-52037-9


The book is a collection of Teresa's confidential letters written to spiritual
counselors. It isn't a rogue attempt to undermine the famous nun, rather, it
was compiled by Rev. Brian Kolodiejchuk M.C -- a director of the Mother
Teresa Center, and a Postulator in favor of her canonization --and it was
published with hierarchal approval.


In her letters, Teresa complained that she felt not the slightest glimmer of
the Lord's presence during virtually her entire five decades in India; which
eventually led Teresa to label Jesus the "absent one".


In one of her letters, penned to a Father Picachy, Teresa complained: "I am
told God loves me; and yet the reality of darkness & coldness & emptiness is
so great that nothing touches my soul."


In yet another letter, penned to a Father Joseph Neuner, S.J. Teresa
confessed: Now Father-- since 1949 or 1950 this terrible sense of loss-- this
untold darkness-- this loneliness, this continual longing for God-- which
gives me pain deep down in my heart-- Darkness is such that I really do not
see neither with my mind nor with my reason-- the place of God in my soul
is blank-- There is no God in me-- when the pain of longing is so great-- I
just long & long for God-- and then it is that I feel-- He does not want me--
He is not there-- God does not want me-- Sometimes-- I just hear my own
heart cry out-- "My God" and nothing else comes-- the torture and pain I
can't explain--


Teresa's "reality of darkness & coldness & emptiness" and her remarks "the
place of God in my soul is blank" and "There is no God in me" is a
depressing commentary on her deplorable spiritual condition. God, in the
person of Christ, is supposed to be in personal contact with every believer;
even the lowly ones who don't count for much in the grand scheme of
things.


Rom 8:15 . . For you have not received a spirit of slavery again to fear;
but you have received a spirit of adoption, whereby we call out: Abba,
Father!


Gal 4:6-7 . . And because you are sons, God has sent forth the spirit of His
son into your hearts, calling out: Abba, Father! Therefore you are no longer
a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.


Rom 8:16 . .The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's
children.


Not one of those three things happened for Teresa!

The tragic part of her experience was that Teresa sensed something was
very broken in her association with God and looked to her counselors for
answers, but they had none that were useful so the poor woman left this life
not only wondering if there is a God out there, but also wondering if perchance
the is one: He might quite possibly be disposed to condemn her.


* The poor woman became seriously disturbed during the final weeks of her
life. At the urging of Henry D'Souza, the Archbishop of Calcutta (a.k.a. Kolkata)
Teresa agreed to an exorcism-- performed by Father Rosario Stroscio --to

disperse any demons in the vicinity that might be clouding her mind.
_
So sad.
 

Lamar

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#44
I don't require proof. I have faith.

Speaking in tongues is not something I initiate. I begin praying in my known language and my language changes. According to the word, it is at those times that mysteries are being conveyed directly into my renewed spirit by the Holy Spirit of God. He knows what I need and edifies me through the intimate exchange. Giving Him control is an act of faith.
Never asked for "proof".

But the question is still the same.

How do you know it is not glossolalia? It's a fair question.

How do you know your faith is in the Word of God and not simply your own understanding of the Word of God/

This question is really for all of us but certainly for those who claim physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit.

My faith is based on my understanding of the Bible. I have no physical supernatural event to refer to. But you do, so please tell me how you know your supernatural gift is not simply glossolalia.
 

Magenta

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#45
This question is really for all of us but certainly for those who claim physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit.
What do you mean by "a physical supernatural manifestation of the Holy Spirit"? .:unsure:
 

Lamar

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#46
What do you mean by "a physical supernatural manifestation of the Holy Spirit"? .:unsure:
Wansvic claims his "tongues" are not glossolalia but a physical supernatural manifestation of the Holy Spirit.
 

posthuman

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The account reveals there is discernable evidence when the experience occurs. Otherwise, how does a person know if they need to pray to receive the Holy Ghost?
what is the discernable evidence of forgiveness, since there is also a record of certain people being told at a certain time to pray to receive it?
 

Burn1986

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Although some disagree, the baptism of the Holy Ghost is the experience of being filled with the Holy Ghost and is essential for the salvation of those living in the NT as seen in Acts 2:4-42, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7.

I was brought up hearing about Jesus’ love and sacrifice. During a church service, when I was about 12, I prayed and received the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues. As an adult, I was water baptized "in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost." It was years later when I became aware that the apostles administered all water baptisms in the name of the Lord Jesus that I was re-baptized. It was at that point my spiritual eyes were opened; I could "see" (understand) scriptures with greater clarity than in the past. (John 3:3)

About 10 years later, God used me to speak a message in tongues that was interpreted by someone else. I had not been seeking the Spiritual gift. However, while praising God in the worship service He decided to flow through me and speak a message to the congregation.

As I was praising God I could feel His presence stronger than in times past; I sensed something was definitely different but had no idea what was going on. As I continued worshipping, someone to my left began to speak in tongues. I remember thinking Lord if that was what you wanted me to do I would have done that. Immediately the individual stopped speaking. I felt what can only be described as an internal explosion; a feeling of complete fullness that my body could not contain. To my utter dismay the fullness began pouring out in the form of tongues. There I was, normally the shy, quiet one, loudly proclaiming half of a message that was afterward interpreted. I say half, because the interpretation was separated by a short pause. God had the other person start the message and after the pause He concluded it through me.

On the drive home, the incident kept running over, and over in my mind. I was amazed at what happened. I questioned the Lord about the explosive feeling. His answer was, “I consumed the sacrifice.” I wasn’t sure what that meant at first. He revealed it was my willingness that prompted Him to use me to speak His message.

I might add that I frequently speak in tongues during personal prayer in fellowship with God. But, I have only been used to operate in the Spiritual gift of tongues on that one occasion. And I can tell you the manifestation of tongues differed tremendously.

Even though I wasn’t seeking proof, I thank God for confirming through the experience what I already knew was revealed in the word. God uses the manifestation of tongues for different purposes. First, it is the sign that the Holy Ghost has come to dwell inside one’s body and applies to all believers; whereas, not all operate in the Spiritual gift of tongues that requires the gift of interpretation for the edification of others.
Wow, Praise God!
 

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Jesus only Pentecostalism,Oneness, God is a singular divine spirit with no distinction of persons who manifest himself in many ways,including Father,Son and Holy Spirit.
 

Wansvic

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Jesus only Pentecostalism,Oneness, God is a singular divine spirit with no distinction of persons who manifest himself in many ways,including Father,Son and Holy Spirit.
What does this have to do with the topic at hand?
 

Wansvic

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Faith is sometimes another word for delusion and self deception.
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Was the Apostle Paul delusional? I think not.

1 Cor 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1 Cor 14:14-15
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.


1 Cor 14:18
I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
 

Wansvic

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Never asked for "proof".

But the question is still the same.

How do you know it is not glossolalia? It's a fair question.

How do you know your faith is in the Word of God and not simply your own understanding of the Word of God/

This question is really for all of us but certainly for those who claim physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit.

My faith is based on my understanding of the Bible. I have no physical supernatural event to refer to. But you do, so please tell me how you know your supernatural gift is not simply glossolalia.
Notice Paul stated that no man understands the tongue/language spoken when man's spirit converses with God:

1 Cor 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1 Cor 14:14-15
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
 

Wansvic

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How do you view the Trinity?
Father, Son and Holy Ghost...
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made...
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not." (John 1)
 

homwardbound

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The believers at Pentecost were told they shall receive the Holy Ghost. Not that the experience occurred when they believed Jesus had risen. (Acts 2:36-42)
And, at Pentecost the individuals were NOT externally clothed; "And they were ALL FILLED with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." (Acts 2:4) Peter also stated that the Gentiles had received the Holy Ghost when they heard them speak in tongues. (Acts 10:43-48. 11:15)
therefore are you saying unless one speaks in another tongue, then one is not saved by God? just asking yes or no please
 

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Father, Son and Holy Ghost...
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made...
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not." (John 1)
I guess it stems from the questions one Pentecostal would ask another when invited to worship Holiness or Oneness or which of the other's but Post 33 was why I ask.
 

Wansvic

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therefore are you saying unless one speaks in another tongue, then one is not saved by God? just asking yes or no please
I find scripture reveals this to be the case for all those living in the NT, yes. Being indwelt by the Holy Ghost is essential as Paul revealed in Romans 8:9. And I see no other sign than speaking in tongues that the indwelling took place. Note that every individual after the Holy Ghost was poured out at Pentecost experienced speaking in tongues when the Holy Ghost entered them. (Acts 2:2, 33, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, tongues is implied in 8:12-18)
 

Wansvic

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Wansvic claims his "tongues" are not glossolalia but a physical supernatural manifestation of the Holy Spirit.
Guess I'm missing there's a distinction.

According to the Apostle Paul there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. (1 Cor. 12)