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How hard is it to understand then when one is baptized it is an act of faith. It is putting faith into action. Show me where any where in the Epistles it seems we are to be baptized in the Holy Spirit? Even Acts shows that the Gentiles received the Holy Spirit AT THE TIME THEY BELIEVED. The ones that received the baptism of the Holy were believers who DID NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT INDWELLING IN THEM. All the rest received at the time they believed and then they were baptized into WATER. It is NOT a work it is faith in action. You can NOT separate faith and works,like or not they go hand in hand. True works of faith are faith in action. Our faith is to be active not passive. James is very clear that faith without works is dead.
So the real question comes if one does not do what Jesus told us to do is that faith alive or dead?
Measuremnent of an Disciples:
Matthew 6:30If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith?
Matthew 8:26He replied, “You of little faith, why are you so afraid?” Then he got up and rebuked the winds and the waves, and it was completely calm.
Matthew 17:17“You unbelieving and perverse generation,” Jesus replied, “how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring the boy here to me.”
Measurement of an Gentiles:
Matthew 8:10When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith.
Matthew 15:28Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.
How do God Measure?
How long you have been with Him....
The greastest in the Kingdom:
John 20:29Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Matthew 24:15“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—
Mark 13:14“When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Reason why?
Matthew 12:41The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here.
John 20:29Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Mark 13:14“When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
No. Nobody in their right mind would ever let me moderate but I have never used captain obvious on any forum. Just seemed appropriate reply in the situation. Sorry to disappoint.
For the cause of Christ
Roge
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oh good grief!!!! peter commanded them in acts 2:38. and one cannot baptise themselves with the SPIRIT only GOD can do that, but in acts 2:38 peter commands us to be baptized, so that only leaves water!!!!!!
This is not hard to understand!~!!!!!
This is not hard to understand!~!!!!!
Homeward let's try this again
How is it that it is translated command.? How hard is it to understand?
Apparently it is difficult for many. Peter in Acts 2:38 does not command them to be baptized. He was asked by those who were pricked in their hearts by his preaching what shall we do? Peter said repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin. Repentance is a complete change of heart to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit baptism is the only baptism that can remit sin. This was part of what Peter had just preached to the crowd from Joel 2.
It takes a lot of gymnastics to support water baptism in this passage. But then no bridge is too far for a pet doctrine.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Apparently four hundred year old English is difficult to translate. At least for some.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Dude, don't respond to me, infact please ignore me. LOL.
PLEASE.
why would I ask you to do such a thing???
cause you disagree with EVERYTHING I say, I'm feeling a little singled out.
seriously..... knock it off.
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I'm seeing a lot of command in those scriptures.... could that mean it was a command?
This is really way way out there. I cannot believe that it is standard fare in the Lutheran church.
Any way I'll give you Titus 3:5 We are washed and renewed by the Holy Spirit by which we are saved.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I really should get that brick wall for my avatar.
If God is dialing your number you had best pick up the phone.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Yes, but can anyone accept His commands.
Matthew 5:44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,