Is everything scripture tells us from an eternal God, so all scripture is always true?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
SophieT said:
it is such a shame that you still do not seem able to grasp the fact that believers in Christ are not law keepers

you can stop with the virtue signalling. you may read all scripture, but you certainly do not grasp the meaning of much of it

For sin will not rule over you, for you are not under law, but under grace. Romans 6:14

are you under law or under grace? if you are under law, then sin still condemns you as you cannot keep the law

no one is tearing out scripture. however, you have the old and new testaments confused and think everyone else is doing that
Click to expand...
Do you actually think someone besides the Lord wrote the OT? Even the NT tells us we are to listen to God in the OT. Christ said he did not change a thing written there, that is the words of Christ. What was changed was the method God used of communicating with us--not God does not communicate through earthly type commands but with the heart.

You teach not to listen to the law, but scripture teaches to listen to it. 2 John 1:6 “And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.”
 
Blik said:
Do you actually think someone besides the Lord wrote the OT? Even the NT tells us we are to listen to God in the OT. Christ said he did not change a thing written there, that is the words of Christ. What was changed was the method God used of communicating with us--not God does not communicate through earthly type commands but with the heart.

You teach not to listen to the law, but scripture teaches to listen to it. 2 John 1:6 “And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.”
Click to expand...

John said in His first letter that the commands were " believe on the name of the Son and love one another"

so Sabbath required,...
 
gb9 said:
John said in His first letter that the commands were " believe on the name of the Son and love one another"

so Sabbath required,...
Click to expand...
Sabbath under the old covenant meant a hard and fast rule, with love that was the basis of this not mentioned. That rule could be followed and the law of the Lord disobeyed for God is love. as the parable of the good Samaritan explains. The new covenant does not cancel the Sabbath, instead it establishes it.
 
Blik said:
Sabbath under the old covenant meant a hard and fast rule, with love that was the basis of this not mentioned. That rule could be followed and the law of the Lord disobeyed for God is love. as the parable of the good Samaritan explains. The new covenant does not cancel the Sabbath, instead it establishes it.
Click to expand...


the Sabbath was for Israel only.

i am currently reading through Exodus right now.


how anyone can read it and not see that God spoke to Moses about Israel only is beyond me......
 
  • Like
Reactions: SophieT
Blik said:
Do you actually think someone besides the Lord wrote the OT? Even the NT tells us we are to listen to God in the OT. Christ said he did not change a thing written there, that is the words of Christ. What was changed was the method God used of communicating with us--not God does not communicate through earthly type commands but with the heart.

You teach not to listen to the law, but scripture teaches to listen to it. 2 John 1:6 “And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.”
Click to expand...


get off your high horse Blik

stop your ridiculous sarcastic comments in an attempt to try and put others in a place you are actually in yourself

self righteous preening does not look good on anybody and it does not look good on you

I didn't say I taught a thing. this is still a DISCUSSION forum I believe?

yeah
 
Sabbath-rest is a state of being associated with a life led by the Spirit of God. We are to enter Sabbath-rest and remain for all time as the practical appearing of a life so lived. To only live it 1/7 of our existence falls short of God's intent. We are "to be like Him" and, so, we, likewise, are to be at rest in this seventh day of creation. Only in Sabbath-rest can we "only do what we see our Father doing", which is the standard of love; which is the standard of life in the Son.

This is consistent with being a bond servant to our Lord whereby our own lives are not our own. As a bond servant we are not commissioned to do our own work but only the work of the One who sends us. There is much more I could say about this and there is certainly much more I must learn.

Blessings,
Aaron56
 
many of us have seen that staircase drawing and some of us may very well be stuck somewhere on it

relatively speaking of course
 
SophieT said:
get off your high horse Blik

stop your ridiculous sarcastic comments in an attempt to try and put others in a place you are actually in yourself

self righteous preening does not look good on anybody and it does not look good on you

I didn't say I taught a thing. this is still a DISCUSSION forum I believe?

yeah
Click to expand...
You preach about worshiping God on your own say so, I preach to worship God through the power of giving our heart to God and letting Him work through us. My objections to your post is when they speak of ignoring all law, if you say it was only that God gave the new covenant so the law was in our hearts not in stone, then you should have said so. I feel that idea is up for discussion.
 
InspiredByGod said:
Scripture is from God, or it ISN'T!
Click to expand...
Hurray!! And God is the God of all humans, not of Israel only. God would never tell humanity that he would accept them only if their parents were related to Abraham, that all others were out in the cold of death. They could choose that, but God would not choose it for them.
 
  • Like
Reactions: InspiredByGod
Blik said:
You preach about worshiping God on your own say so, I preach to worship God through the power of giving our heart to God and letting Him work through us. My objections to your post is when they speak of ignoring all law, if you say it was only that God gave the new covenant so the law was in our hearts not in stone, then you should have said so. I feel that idea is up for discussion.
Click to expand...

kindly point out to me where it is stated by ANYONE here, let alone me, that we should ignore all the law

better yet

please explain why you deliberately CHOOSE to ignore the following scripture as well as any others that indicate believers are not required to kill animals and let the blood drain or to appear before Moses and Aaron or any other judge in the OT to have their case heard

6 Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7 rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For rin him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.
16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or ja new moon or a Sabbath.

17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18 Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions,4 puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.
20 If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations 21 “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22 (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? 23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh. Colossians 2

if you consider yourself to be preaching, then also expect to have more to answer for in your erroneous dictates of the OT law to other believers
 
Blik said:
You preach about worshiping God on your own say so, I preach to worship God through the power of giving our heart to God and letting Him work through us. My objections to your post is when they speak of ignoring all law, if you say it was only that God gave the new covenant so the law was in our hearts not in stone, then you should have said so. I feel that idea is up for discussion.
Click to expand...
Here we go with the blatant misrepresentation again.

Quote anyone who says we should ignore the Law.

ANYONE.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SophieT
Blik said:
Our difference in understanding what God is saying about the old and new covenant has to do with whether God is saying that he made a mistake when he gave the old covenant. It is not about God replacing the old covenant, that is changing the subject.
Click to expand...

To make baked goods, different kinds of ingredients that each need their own special handling. Dry ingredients need to stay dry. For the flour, the instruction at the time needs to be "thou shall keep this dry". But there comes a time when the instruction changes because the requirement to keep the flour dry has been fulfilled. The fullness of the other ingredients are added and the batch is ready.

It's not that the original instruction to keep the flour dry was untruthful or unimportant, only that when the mission of that instruction is complete the next instruction is in play.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SophieT and Dino246
Jocund said:
To make baked goods, different kinds of ingredients that each need their own special handling. Dry ingredients need to stay dry. For the flour, the instruction at the time needs to be "thou shall keep this dry". But there comes a time when the instruction changes because the requirement to keep the flour dry has been fulfilled. The fullness of the other ingredients are added and the batch is ready.

It's not that the original instruction to keep the flour dry was untruthful or unimportant, only that when the mission of that instruction is complete the next instruction is in play.
Click to expand...
Apt analogy! I like it. :)
 
Deuteronomy 30:6, “And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.”

Loving God with all your heart has been around for a long time.
 
Blik said:
There was a difference made when God wrote the law in our hearts through Christ nstead of writing the law in stone. We need to know if that means that God changed his mind about something, or is there another reason for this.

It is very important for us to understand because if God can change His mind then we need not believe that everything in the OT is true. God could have changed some of it,

Scripture tells us God is eternal, that God is the same always. That would mean that the law given to us in stone is the same law as the law given to us in our hearts. I believe it is the same law.

Christ explained in the sermon on the mount. Christ said “you have been told” and “but I tell you”. Christ explained later that he did not change anything we had been told, so Christ believed the law in stone was true. Then Christ explained the difference between that law given in stone and in our hearts.

Something in stone endures forever, but if it is in our hearts then love is added. God IS love. If the law is given as rules in stone without the heart it can be distorted, as we are told when the Pharisee distorted the Sabbath law so it did not include the law of love. See the parable of the Good Samaitan in Luke 10.

So, circumcision of the heart endures forever, but circumcision of the flesh was temporary. Monitoring food for the stomach to only clean food was keeping clean food for the flesh, we are to keep clean food for our spirit.

God changed his method of speaking to us, but God did not change his message.
Click to expand...
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Alot of fable believers here.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom
Back