Is it a sin to drink alcohol
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Sorry, I'm about to step into this subject and I don't expect my POV to be popular. An alcoholic doesn't know they are one until they take their first drink. I honestly don't understand Christians arguing for drinking. I've never had a drink, will not allow it in my home. That is how I was brought up. The argument for it seems to be that as long as you don't get drunk, there's nothing wrong with it. But even when you're "buzzed" there are things you say and do that you wouldn't if you were sober. I think it's a bad testimony. Alcohol has ruined more families, caused more divorces than you can shake a stick at. There are people who have come out of the world and alcohol is their weakness. What testimony is it for us to sit with a drink and be a stumbling block to them?
My young cousin told me that her brother visited and stayed with her once and he and his wife had no issue with drinking. So they had drinks at each meal and my cousin also drank. After they left there was still alcohol in the fridge. My cousin and her husband continued to partake. Then she said she noticed a pattern. Every time something stressful happened in the day, they would both drink to calm down and take the edge off. One day she mentioned it to her husband and she said " What are we teaching our boys? That we turn to alcohol for our issues instead of God?" He agreed and they took all the alcohol in the house and poured it down the sink. I don't see where alcohol has improved anyone's life, a marriage, a stress. The whole idea of it is to either get buzzed or drunk, and personally I think both are wrong. No one has ever given me a good reason for drinking alcohol. I've never seen a good argument for it. I agree with you brother, I see no benefit in it, but all kinds of issues. The line is very thin, very easy to be buzzed. Some people may know that line and never cross it, but the vast majority don't. JMO
My young cousin told me that her brother visited and stayed with her once and he and his wife had no issue with drinking. So they had drinks at each meal and my cousin also drank. After they left there was still alcohol in the fridge. My cousin and her husband continued to partake. Then she said she noticed a pattern. Every time something stressful happened in the day, they would both drink to calm down and take the edge off. One day she mentioned it to her husband and she said " What are we teaching our boys? That we turn to alcohol for our issues instead of God?" He agreed and they took all the alcohol in the house and poured it down the sink. I don't see where alcohol has improved anyone's life, a marriage, a stress. The whole idea of it is to either get buzzed or drunk, and personally I think both are wrong. No one has ever given me a good reason for drinking alcohol. I've never seen a good argument for it. I agree with you brother, I see no benefit in it, but all kinds of issues. The line is very thin, very easy to be buzzed. Some people may know that line and never cross it, but the vast majority don't. JMO
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It depends who drinks and where they drink. There are people who drink everyday. One or two rounds is not harmful, especially if the person is living alone. As long as the person who drinks is not influenced by it and acts drunkenly. Even acting drunkenly is all right. That should not lead the person to abuse someone else verbally or physically. As long as they don't hurt anyone and even themselves, it's okay. Especially if they have a habit of doing daily exercises to compensate for the drinking.
Just because a person drinks does not make him or her bad. They're people too. But if they have a family, they're accountable to their family. The drinking should not spoil their duties and responsibilities towards themselves and others who have those dues from them.
If you don't know a person well, you should not judge that person just because they have a drinking habit. Walking in drunk to work is not okay. Being drunk and driving is not all right too. Something can go wrong. As long as the person can hold enough of the drink inside them, it's fine. As long as they know when and where to drink. (Night time, alone or in the company of a partner in order to relax and enjoy themselves)
When a person loses it after drinking, that person shouldn't drink.
When a person drinks too much, that is bad. Especially to get away from depression or to numb bodily pains, that's addiction. Not the right way to drink.
This may be funny to some people, but I don't drink. Although I know a few good and bad souls who do and some who have died because of drunkenness. We all do sadly. If you have someone who cares about you or loves you, don't screw up their lives by drinking to an extent it affects them. If you're alone, make sure you can hold enough of what you drink. If not, get help and stop altogether.
I know how bad it can get. I've seen it. I think anyone who's lived long enough on our planet knows it. Those who drink make sure you put your loved ones on priority 1 before your drinking habit. And if it is affecting them then please stop the habit. If you're alone, then it's up to you. To anyone this matters to, this is just me being concerned for those who have a drinking habit. It's just my encouragement for someone who feels alone that they matter to God. Our bodies should be respected as the temple of God. Jesus dwells there.
What I've written is not for someone who knows all these things but for someone who is in the habit of abusing themselves and those close to them by drinking in excess. Just stop. Think about it. If you need help, please go get help. You want to talk about it with me, feel free. Some of us are here to hear you out and pray for you. But you're gonna need more than that to break free from drinking addictions. Most importantly, you should be willing to do that. Anyway.
Drinking does affect most people when it is without limit and out of control. For some it can be a pleasant pass time in solitude or among a good company of friends. It is after all a part of many peoples lives. That's the truth. More than half the people I've known in my life drink at least occasionally.
Just because a person drinks does not make him or her bad. They're people too. But if they have a family, they're accountable to their family. The drinking should not spoil their duties and responsibilities towards themselves and others who have those dues from them.
If you don't know a person well, you should not judge that person just because they have a drinking habit. Walking in drunk to work is not okay. Being drunk and driving is not all right too. Something can go wrong. As long as the person can hold enough of the drink inside them, it's fine. As long as they know when and where to drink. (Night time, alone or in the company of a partner in order to relax and enjoy themselves)
When a person loses it after drinking, that person shouldn't drink.
When a person drinks too much, that is bad. Especially to get away from depression or to numb bodily pains, that's addiction. Not the right way to drink.
This may be funny to some people, but I don't drink. Although I know a few good and bad souls who do and some who have died because of drunkenness. We all do sadly. If you have someone who cares about you or loves you, don't screw up their lives by drinking to an extent it affects them. If you're alone, make sure you can hold enough of what you drink. If not, get help and stop altogether.
I know how bad it can get. I've seen it. I think anyone who's lived long enough on our planet knows it. Those who drink make sure you put your loved ones on priority 1 before your drinking habit. And if it is affecting them then please stop the habit. If you're alone, then it's up to you. To anyone this matters to, this is just me being concerned for those who have a drinking habit. It's just my encouragement for someone who feels alone that they matter to God. Our bodies should be respected as the temple of God. Jesus dwells there.
What I've written is not for someone who knows all these things but for someone who is in the habit of abusing themselves and those close to them by drinking in excess. Just stop. Think about it. If you need help, please go get help. You want to talk about it with me, feel free. Some of us are here to hear you out and pray for you. But you're gonna need more than that to break free from drinking addictions. Most importantly, you should be willing to do that. Anyway.
Drinking does affect most people when it is without limit and out of control. For some it can be a pleasant pass time in solitude or among a good company of friends. It is after all a part of many peoples lives. That's the truth. More than half the people I've known in my life drink at least occasionally.
Are you wearing a robe every day? If not, you are sinning... according to you!
Such is the ridiculousness of law pushers. They cannot even see their own hypocrisy.
Don't forget to don your shawl
Such is the ridiculousness of law pushers. They cannot even see their own hypocrisy.
Don't forget to don your shawl
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What do they have to do with the times God suggests drink for what ails a person? Nothing, is what.
You must think every person that has even a sip is deceived by drink
Could it be you have been deceived? Yeah.
You must think every person that has even a sip is deceived by drink
Could it be you have been deceived? Yeah.
Are you wearing your robe right now, sinner William? And shawl?
I do not get my clothing choices' cues from public bathroom doors
I do not get my clothing choices' cues from public bathroom doors
If they could only see that they are free through Christ of all of that. There is nothing we can do as human that will make us right with the Father apart from what Jesus did at the cross.
Hello my brother. On rare occasion I have a beer. When I do I usually cannot finish it. I have also indulged in a small amount of anisette or a desert wine, but never more than a jigger, and that takes me a while to drink.
My point is that I just like to taste it now and then, sometimes a year or more between. You seem to be stressing those who are controlled by a bad habit of drinking. I have no doubt I do not sin in my custom, please let me know because overdoing drink, I believe is allowing it to control the person. I do not do this, I do not think so anyways.
A bottle of anisette lasts me about ten years, if I do not cook with it, then it is less time.
My point is that I just like to taste it now and then, sometimes a year or more between. You seem to be stressing those who are controlled by a bad habit of drinking. I have no doubt I do not sin in my custom, please let me know because overdoing drink, I believe is allowing it to control the person. I do not do this, I do not think so anyways.
A bottle of anisette lasts me about ten years, if I do not cook with it, then it is less time.
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That's what happens, Jesus pointed it out to the pharisees. That this trend of bogging down in rules and regulations continues until it over burdens people.
Ironically that's what these that demand the church assembly meet on the seventh day are doing. The command is rest and remember. Keep holy just means separate.
Ironically that's what these that demand the church assembly meet on the seventh day are doing. The command is rest and remember. Keep holy just means separate.
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I have know of a number of people who became quite intoxicated from mouthwash or cough syrup. In fact many modern medical compounds are made with an alcohol base. I have also known many folks who resorted to strong drink to moderate chronic pain.
I doubt that many would argue against medical use of alcohol. I think many would be concerned with social drinking and really over drinking in social settings. I do not believe that social drinking is advisable or necessary. I would caution against it especially if it causes a weaker brother to stumble.
Drinking is really a matter of conscience.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I doubt that many would argue against medical use of alcohol. I think many would be concerned with social drinking and really over drinking in social settings. I do not believe that social drinking is advisable or necessary. I would caution against it especially if it causes a weaker brother to stumble.
Drinking is really a matter of conscience.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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I share your sentiment completely. I also come from a family of alcoholics and other drug abusers and dont want NOTHING to do with either.
I shared this with sister Angela here in private conversation, but I will put it on front street as well: I sometimes think to myself. WOULD I have even been a follower of Jesus in the 1st century if I was there? Or would I have just disregarded Him due to drinking wine.
Am I judgmental? OH YES. I know I am but im trying to work on it, its just that after seeing all the destruction in our society today its caused, I cant help but hate it all.
I shared this with sister Angela here in private conversation, but I will put it on front street as well: I sometimes think to myself. WOULD I have even been a follower of Jesus in the 1st century if I was there? Or would I have just disregarded Him due to drinking wine.
Am I judgmental? OH YES. I know I am but im trying to work on it, its just that after seeing all the destruction in our society today its caused, I cant help but hate it all.
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I don't know that I consider it judgemental, I have friends that have no issue with drinking and are Christians. They know I'm not interested, honestly I would be offended if they drank in front of me knowing my stand. As I said, no one has given me a positive reason for drinking. I really don't need the Bible here. I don't see why people would drink if the reason wasn't to get buzzed or drunk. So what's the point?
YES! And an equal to the post it referenced, don't let it go over your head again.
best wishes
best wishes
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The thread had my attention because I've worked in the drug & alcohol treatment field for more than a decade, and know a few things about it. (Feel free to ask about situations, etc but I can't give personally identifiable details about any individual client).
You had my attention at "I don't expect my POV to be popular" because I like people who are willing to stand their ground against popular but inaccurate beliefs (whether religious or secular) and I know that there are inaccurate beliefs about addiction by both sober people and those who have dependencies.
You make very accurate point in the fact that alcohol is NOT a replacement for God or for dealing with the situations in an effective manner. And I also have no desire to fall into the traps alcohol provides. However, it is amazing to me that the very first miracle Jesus performed was making wine for a wedding when they ran out. <-- I think that warrants some consideration before concluding that alcohol is bad altogether, or even that people consume it in celebration.
Food for thought (with or without alcohol to wash it down...lol)
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
You had my attention at "I don't expect my POV to be popular" because I like people who are willing to stand their ground against popular but inaccurate beliefs (whether religious or secular) and I know that there are inaccurate beliefs about addiction by both sober people and those who have dependencies.
You make very accurate point in the fact that alcohol is NOT a replacement for God or for dealing with the situations in an effective manner. And I also have no desire to fall into the traps alcohol provides. However, it is amazing to me that the very first miracle Jesus performed was making wine for a wedding when they ran out. <-- I think that warrants some consideration before concluding that alcohol is bad altogether, or even that people consume it in celebration.
Food for thought (with or without alcohol to wash it down...lol)
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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