Is the false teaching of pre-tribulation rapture, getting the power of "him" out of the way, who restrains the antichrist?
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No battle (peace) between the nations for a 1000 years under Christ Yeshua's Millennial Kingdom iron rod rule, while Satan is bounded by God, and then when God unbounds Satan AFTER the peaceful Millennial Kingdom reign of Christ Yeshua ...
Revelation 20 (New King James Version)
7Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle,
Revelation 20 (New King James Version)
Satan Bound 1,000 Years
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.
The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years
4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Satanic Rebellion Crushed
7Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Revelation 20 (New King James Version)
7Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle,
Revelation 20 (New King James Version)
Satan Bound 1,000 Years
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.
The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years
4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Satanic Rebellion Crushed
7Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
[pre-tribber here 
] I agree!!
Daniel 12:13 had said (to Daniel), "But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest [that is, in death], and stand in thy lot [that is, be 'resurrected' ('to stand again' on the earth)] at the end of the days [that is, at the END of the 'days' spoken of in that CONTEXT; thus, at the END of the Trib yrs (vv.6-7,1, etc, in that text)]." [this agrees with what Job had said in Job19:25-27; and with what Martha had said in Jn11:24... So all OT saints along with these in Rev20:4b: the Trib saints who died in the Trib yrs]
Bear in mind that the "2 Witnesses" are resurrected BEFORE this ^ point in time, at the 6th Trumpet/2nd Woe [events], per Rev11:11,14-15... so there's that. (<--at this point, there still remains the "7th Trumpet/3rd Woe/1st Vial" events, plus the 6 other Vial events, before His "Return" to the earth Rev19 [i.e. a matter of some time])
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"[re: resurrection]... but EACH *in his own order*" 1Cor15:23
] I agree!! Daniel 12:13 had said (to Daniel), "But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest [that is, in death], and stand in thy lot [that is, be 'resurrected' ('to stand again' on the earth)] at the end of the days [that is, at the END of the 'days' spoken of in that CONTEXT; thus, at the END of the Trib yrs (vv.6-7,1, etc, in that text)]." [this agrees with what Job had said in Job19:25-27; and with what Martha had said in Jn11:24... So all OT saints along with these in Rev20:4b: the Trib saints who died in the Trib yrs]
Bear in mind that the "2 Witnesses" are resurrected BEFORE this ^ point in time, at the 6th Trumpet/2nd Woe [events], per Rev11:11,14-15... so there's that.
(<--at this point, there still remains the "7th Trumpet/3rd Woe/1st Vial" events, plus the 6 other Vial events, before His "Return" to the earth Rev19 [i.e. a matter of some time])____________
"[re: resurrection]... but EACH *in his own order*" 1Cor15:23
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[pre-tribber here ] I agree!!
Daniel 12:13 had said (to Daniel), "But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest [that is, in death], and stand in thy lot [that is, be 'resurrected' ('to stand again' on the earth)] at the end of the days [that is, at the END of the 'days' spoken of in that CONTEXT; thus, at the END of the Trib yrs (vv.6-7,1, etc, in that text)]." [this agrees with what Job had said in Job19:25-27; and with what Martha had said in Jn11:24... So all OT saints along with these in Rev20:4b: the Trib saints who died in the Trib yrs]
Bear in mind that the "2 Witnesses" are resurrected BEFORE this ^ point in time, at the 6th Trumpet/2nd Woe [events], per Rev11:11,14-15... so there's that. (<--at this point, there still remains the "7th Trumpet/3rd Woe/1st Vial" events, plus the 6 other Vial events, before His "Return" to the earth Rev19 [i.e. a matter of some time])
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"[re: resurrection]... but EACH *in his own order*" 1Cor15:23
] I agree!! Daniel 12:13 had said (to Daniel), "But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest [that is, in death], and stand in thy lot [that is, be 'resurrected' ('to stand again' on the earth)] at the end of the days [that is, at the END of the 'days' spoken of in that CONTEXT; thus, at the END of the Trib yrs (vv.6-7,1, etc, in that text)]." [this agrees with what Job had said in Job19:25-27; and with what Martha had said in Jn11:24... So all OT saints along with these in Rev20:4b: the Trib saints who died in the Trib yrs]
Bear in mind that the "2 Witnesses" are resurrected BEFORE this ^ point in time, at the 6th Trumpet/2nd Woe [events], per Rev11:11,14-15... so there's that.
(<--at this point, there still remains the "7th Trumpet/3rd Woe/1st Vial" events, plus the 6 other Vial events, before His "Return" to the earth Rev19 [i.e. a matter of some time])____________
"[re: resurrection]... but EACH *in his own order*" 1Cor15:23
Revelation 20 (New King James Version)
4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
1 Thessalonians 4 (New King James Version)
16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
2 Thessalonians 2 (New King James Version)
1...concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,...3Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the ... the man of sin is revealed, ... 4who ... sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
2 Thessalonians 2 (New King James Version)
1Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
"I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." - Rev2:9
Pre-tribbers, on the whole, are not ones who "SAY THEY ARE JEWS" (but rather, grasp who the "Jews" actually are ).
[Rom2:28 "But he is a Jew, which IS ONE inwardly"... is NOT speaking of the Gentiles becoming "Jews" upon faithing in Christ. Not about "Gentiles" whatsoever, in this verse. Same with the phrase "the Israel of God" Gal6:16, which is "those of Israel WHO BELIEVED/BELIEVE"... again, nothing about "the Gentiles" in this particular phrase]
Pre-tribbers, on the whole, are not ones who "SAY THEY ARE JEWS" (but rather, grasp who the "Jews" actually are
).[Rom2:28 "But he is a Jew, which IS ONE inwardly"... is NOT speaking of the Gentiles becoming "Jews" upon faithing in Christ. Not about "Gentiles" whatsoever, in this verse. Same with the phrase "the Israel of God" Gal6:16, which is "those of Israel WHO BELIEVED/BELIEVE"... again, nothing about "the Gentiles" in this particular phrase]
^ [to go along with that post]
Consider the following:
https://christianchat.com/threads/i...eheaded-by-the-antichrist.195887/post-4446992 [Post #135]
[excerpt of old post]
"But he is a Jew, which IS ONE *inwardly*" is speaking ONLY of Jews (it is not saying that Gentiles who come to faith BECOME "Jews". No.)
One must track with Paul's outline, here:
--where he has been covering "Gentiles" from 1:8-1:32 (except for vv.19-21 where he covers each);
--a transition section from 2:1-2:16;
--then covering the "Jews" from 2:17-3:20 (where we find our verse under discussion, 2:28-29);
--then finally from 3:21 forward covers the fact that "ALL [Jews and Gentiles alike] have sinned and come short..."
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See also : The Israel of God, the term "Israel" in the New Testament (middletownbiblechurch.org)
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/reformed/israelaf.htm
[end quoting old post]
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[another old post]
[Post #19] https://christianchat.com/threads/w...heavenly-places-in-christ.195388/post-4400472
Well, in Romans 2:29, where Paul had said, "But he is a Jew WHICH IS ONE inwardly"... those words "WHICH IS ONE" are important to tell us just what Paul is speaking of... he is only speaking of Jews here in this verse (not "believing GENTILES" that are supposedly [upon believing] now "true Jews," no.) One must grasp Paul's outline, in these first three chpts... He alternates between speaking of humanity in general, to Jews in particular... here's the general OUTLINE [...]:
--Romans 1:1-7 Salutation
--Romans 1:17-32 Humanity in general [with v.18 covering two distinct aspects: 18a=general humanity; 18b=Jews ('[who] hold the truth [...]')]
--Romans 2:1-16 Transition
--Romans 2:17 - 3:20 Jew-specific [with 2:29's "But he is a Jew which IS ONE inwardly" (speaking of the believing Jews within the whole of Jews--but Jews only, here... NOT "Gentiles" BECOMING "Jews/true Jews" )]
--Romans 3:21+ God's righteousness revealed in the gospel
So, no, I disagree that Paul is saying that Gentiles BECOME "true Jews" upon faithing... no. That is not the CONTEXT of Paul's words in chpt 2:17-3:20 (which section is centered around "Jews," per context).
[end quoting old posts]
Consider the following:
https://christianchat.com/threads/i...eheaded-by-the-antichrist.195887/post-4446992 [Post #135]
[excerpt of old post]
"But he is a Jew, which IS ONE *inwardly*" is speaking ONLY of Jews (it is not saying that Gentiles who come to faith BECOME "Jews". No.)
One must track with Paul's outline, here:
--where he has been covering "Gentiles" from 1:8-1:32 (except for vv.19-21 where he covers each);
--a transition section from 2:1-2:16;
--then covering the "Jews" from 2:17-3:20 (where we find our verse under discussion, 2:28-29);
--then finally from 3:21 forward covers the fact that "ALL [Jews and Gentiles alike] have sinned and come short..."
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See also : The Israel of God, the term "Israel" in the New Testament (middletownbiblechurch.org)
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/reformed/israelaf.htm
[end quoting old post]
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[another old post]
[Post #19] https://christianchat.com/threads/w...heavenly-places-in-christ.195388/post-4400472
Well, in Romans 2:29, where Paul had said, "But he is a Jew WHICH IS ONE inwardly"... those words "WHICH IS ONE" are important to tell us just what Paul is speaking of... he is only speaking of Jews here in this verse (not "believing GENTILES" that are supposedly [upon believing] now "true Jews," no.) One must grasp Paul's outline, in these first three chpts... He alternates between speaking of humanity in general, to Jews in particular... here's the general OUTLINE [...]:
--Romans 1:1-7 Salutation
--Romans 1:17-32 Humanity in general [with v.18 covering two distinct aspects: 18a=general humanity; 18b=Jews ('[who] hold the truth [...]')]
--Romans 2:1-16 Transition
--Romans 2:17 - 3:20 Jew-specific [with 2:29's "But he is a Jew which IS ONE inwardly" (speaking of the believing Jews within the whole of Jews--but Jews only, here... NOT "Gentiles" BECOMING "Jews/true Jews"
)]--Romans 3:21+ God's righteousness revealed in the gospel
So, no, I disagree that Paul is saying that Gentiles BECOME "true Jews" upon faithing... no. That is not the CONTEXT of Paul's words in chpt 2:17-3:20 (which section is centered around "Jews," per context).
[end quoting old posts]
As man-brought Ishmael's birth, was not a substitute to God's heirship promises to Abraham, that was fulfilled by God 13 years later with Isaac's birth, also:
Man-brought Zionism ( http://bit.ly/Christianzionism ) is not a substitute to God's land promises to the Israelites (northern Ephraim tribes and southern Judah tribes), that will ONLY be fulfilled in Christ Yeshua, in His Millennial Kingdom following Christians ( Israelites, ie. Ephraim's Gentiles and Judah's Jews, as well as non-Israelite's Gentiles) meeting Him in the clouds with the resurrected Christians at His second coming.
Zionism's synthetic restoration of Israel does not recognise Joseph's Ephraim's tribes (to this day still unrecognised and scattered in captivity in "Egypt" among all the Gentile nations), nor Christ Yeshua, the Davidic Messiah as part of Israel to be restored (only after Christ Yeshua's second coming in the clouds, with all Israelite and non-Israelite Christians, resurrected and alive meeting Him in the clouds, before He restores Israel in His Millennial Kingdom).
God promised:
Ezekiel 37 (New King James Version)
14I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’ ” 19say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will join them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand.” ’ 25Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever. 26Moreover I will [c]make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore.
God will fulfil His promises, that in Christ Yeshua, the Kingdom of Israel will be restored, in the Millennial Kingdom to come following His second coming with the Israelite and non-Israelite Christians alive and resurrected meeting Him in the clouds:
Matthew 16 (New King James Version)
18And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not [g]prevail against it.
Acts 1 (New King James Version)
6Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be [c]witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
Matthew 24 (New King James Version)
14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. 20And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [c]elect’s sake those days will be shortened. 29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
God fulfils His promises of the restoration of Israel in Christ Yeshua:
4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Understanding Israelite's (Judah among the Jews and Ephraim among the Gentiles) currently partially not also being Christians, believing in Christ Yeshua as part of His one olive tree body of Christ:
Romans 11 (ISR 1998)
25For I do not wish you to be ignorant of this secret, brothers, lest you should be wise in your own estimation, that hardening in part has come over Yisra’ĕl, until the completeness of the gentilesa has come in.
Ephraim to be scattered among the Gentiles prophesied by Jacob's blessing to Ephraim, fulfilling the Gentiles salvation promise by God, when God promised that in Abraham all the nations of the world will be blessed:
Genesis 48 (ISR 1998)
17And when Yosĕph saw that his father laid his right hand on the head of Ephrayim, it was evil in his eyes; and he took hold of his father’s hand to remove it from the head of Ephrayim to the head of Menashsheh. 18And Yosĕph said to his father, “Not so, my father, for this one is the first-born, put your right hand on his head.” 19But his father refused and said, “I know, my son, I know. He also becomes a people, and he also is great. And yet, his younger brother is greater than he, and his seed is to become the completeness of the nations.”
Genesis 18 (New King James Version)
17And the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am doing, 18since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
All the Christians (Israelite and non-Israelite) are fellow heirs of God's promises to Abraham:
Ephesians 3 (New King James Version)
1For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— 2if indeed you have heard of the [a]dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, 7of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power.
Man-brought Zionism ( http://bit.ly/Christianzionism ) is not a substitute to God's land promises to the Israelites (northern Ephraim tribes and southern Judah tribes), that will ONLY be fulfilled in Christ Yeshua, in His Millennial Kingdom following Christians ( Israelites, ie. Ephraim's Gentiles and Judah's Jews, as well as non-Israelite's Gentiles) meeting Him in the clouds with the resurrected Christians at His second coming.
Zionism's synthetic restoration of Israel does not recognise Joseph's Ephraim's tribes (to this day still unrecognised and scattered in captivity in "Egypt" among all the Gentile nations), nor Christ Yeshua, the Davidic Messiah as part of Israel to be restored (only after Christ Yeshua's second coming in the clouds, with all Israelite and non-Israelite Christians, resurrected and alive meeting Him in the clouds, before He restores Israel in His Millennial Kingdom).
God promised:
Ezekiel 37 (New King James Version)
14I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’ ” 19say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will join them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand.” ’ 25Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever. 26Moreover I will [c]make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore.
God will fulfil His promises, that in Christ Yeshua, the Kingdom of Israel will be restored, in the Millennial Kingdom to come following His second coming with the Israelite and non-Israelite Christians alive and resurrected meeting Him in the clouds:
Matthew 16 (New King James Version)
18And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not [g]prevail against it.
Acts 1 (New King James Version)
6Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be [c]witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
Matthew 24 (New King James Version)
14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. 20And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [c]elect’s sake those days will be shortened. 29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
God fulfils His promises of the restoration of Israel in Christ Yeshua:
4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Understanding Israelite's (Judah among the Jews and Ephraim among the Gentiles) currently partially not also being Christians, believing in Christ Yeshua as part of His one olive tree body of Christ:
Romans 11 (ISR 1998)
25For I do not wish you to be ignorant of this secret, brothers, lest you should be wise in your own estimation, that hardening in part has come over Yisra’ĕl, until the completeness of the gentilesa has come in.
Ephraim to be scattered among the Gentiles prophesied by Jacob's blessing to Ephraim, fulfilling the Gentiles salvation promise by God, when God promised that in Abraham all the nations of the world will be blessed:
Genesis 48 (ISR 1998)
17And when Yosĕph saw that his father laid his right hand on the head of Ephrayim, it was evil in his eyes; and he took hold of his father’s hand to remove it from the head of Ephrayim to the head of Menashsheh. 18And Yosĕph said to his father, “Not so, my father, for this one is the first-born, put your right hand on his head.” 19But his father refused and said, “I know, my son, I know. He also becomes a people, and he also is great. And yet, his younger brother is greater than he, and his seed is to become the completeness of the nations.”
Genesis 18 (New King James Version)
17And the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am doing, 18since Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
All the Christians (Israelite and non-Israelite) are fellow heirs of God's promises to Abraham:
Ephesians 3 (New King James Version)
1For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— 2if indeed you have heard of the [a]dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, 7of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power.
^ [hmmm... thinking how God used "Cyrus His anointed one" Isa45:1... doesn't necessarily mean he was a "saved" man, right?]
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[quoting an old post]
Here's how I'm seeing that.
--FROM 537bc [the "Return to Israel" from captivity]
TO 1948ad [Nation of Israel]
= 2520y (factored in 360 day years, as "time-prophecies" relating to Israel are often factored); and
--FROM 518bc [the "Temple Rebuilding"]
TO 1967ad [Jerusalem Regained (apart from which, there can be no temple)]
= 2520y (ditto the above)
--[I believe there are two other connections, but can't quote them off the top of my head...]
...the equation (in the above) being, "Ezekiel 4 minus 2 Chronicles 36:21 times Leviticus 26 equals 2520 years" (2520 years of 360-day years, in the above-mentioned ones).
--Ezekiel 4 is 430 yrs, 360 yrs of which were "remaining"; and
--[minus] 2Chronicles 36:21, "until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths: for as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years [70 yrs]"; and
--[times 7] Leviticus 26 4x says (basically) [re: Israel],
"[but if not, then]... I will punish you seven times more for your sins."
So (when examined), we see [360y (remained) x 7 = 2520y]
I think this has to be more than "coincidence" (and acknowledging the stages shown to be expected in the Ezekiel 37 chpt ["dry bones prophecy" regarding Israel])
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[quoting an old post]
Here's how I'm seeing that.
--FROM 537bc [the "Return to Israel" from captivity]
TO 1948ad [Nation of Israel]
= 2520y (factored in 360 day years, as "time-prophecies" relating to Israel are often factored); and
--FROM 518bc [the "Temple Rebuilding"]
TO 1967ad [Jerusalem Regained (apart from which, there can be no temple)]
= 2520y (ditto the above)
--[I believe there are two other connections, but can't quote them off the top of my head...]
...the equation (in the above) being, "Ezekiel 4 minus 2 Chronicles 36:21 times Leviticus 26 equals 2520 years" (2520 years of 360-day years, in the above-mentioned ones).
--Ezekiel 4 is 430 yrs, 360 yrs of which were "remaining"; and
--[minus] 2Chronicles 36:21, "until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths: for as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years [70 yrs]"; and
--[times 7] Leviticus 26 4x says (basically) [re: Israel],
"[but if not, then]... I will punish you seven times more for your sins."
So (when examined), we see [360y (remained) x 7 = 2520y]
I think this has to be more than "coincidence" (and acknowledging the stages shown to be expected in the Ezekiel 37 chpt ["dry bones prophecy" regarding Israel])
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^ To ADD to that post:
[quoting another old post... excerpt]
Then, I've mentioned how in the SECOND YR of Joseph's 7-yr famine (Gen45:1,6 [see also 46:2!]), was this done: "and there STOOD NO MAN WITH HIM, while Joseph MADE HIMSELF KNOWN UNTO his brethren"
(similar to the wording found in Ezekiel 39:7's Gog-Magog War events, which I mentioned correlates with the future "SEAL 2 WARS" fairly early in the future 7-yr trib yrs [with Ezek being in order/sequence, and with "the dry bones prophecy" showing to take place in STAGES... so that the "time-prophecies" I pointed out also on Page 45 of this thread (EDIT: a different thread, but again in this present one, just above this post), are simply the "stage-setting" aspects of the future stages yet to come, relating to Israel (where in 39:7 He again will call them "My people Israel")])
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"in their affliction, they will seek Me EARLY" Hosea 5:14-6:3
[quoting another old post... excerpt]
Then, I've mentioned how in the SECOND YR of Joseph's 7-yr famine (Gen45:1,6 [see also 46:2!]), was this done: "and there STOOD NO MAN WITH HIM, while Joseph MADE HIMSELF KNOWN UNTO his brethren"
(similar to the wording found in Ezekiel 39:7's Gog-Magog War events, which I mentioned correlates with the future "SEAL 2 WARS" fairly early in the future 7-yr trib yrs [with Ezek being in order/sequence, and with "the dry bones prophecy" showing to take place in STAGES... so that the "time-prophecies" I pointed out also on Page 45 of this thread (EDIT: a different thread, but again in this present one, just above this post), are simply the "stage-setting" aspects of the future stages yet to come, relating to Israel (where in 39:7 He again will call them "My people Israel")])
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"in their affliction, they will seek Me EARLY" Hosea 5:14-6:3
No
When Jesus resurrected the bible says he took captivity captive
Another verse says he preached to those in prison.
And yet another says they were seen walking about in Jerusalem.
All those patriarchs are in heaven and resurrected.
Firstfruits.
3 resurrection total.
Firstfruits is fulfilled,then main (dead in Christ only)
Then the 2nd (gwtj)
When Jesus resurrected the bible says he took captivity captive
Another verse says he preached to those in prison.
And yet another says they were seen walking about in Jerusalem.
All those patriarchs are in heaven and resurrected.
Firstfruits.
3 resurrection total.
Firstfruits is fulfilled,then main (dead in Christ only)
Then the 2nd (gwtj)
David's tomb was still there, at the time Peter pointed this fact out in Acts 2 -
29 Brothers, I can tell you with confidence that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that He would place one of his descendants on his throne.h 31 Foreseeing this, David spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that He was not abandoned to Hades, nor did His body see decay. 32 God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses.
[nowhere does it say "David" appeared to many, in the Matt27:52-53 passage, or surely Peter could have mentioned that here in Acts 2, yet he does not; also, I believe the fact they "went into the holy city and appeared unto many" is to show the CONTRAST of what JESUS DID that very day (His "[ACTIVE] I ASCEND"-Jn20:17, said to MM--thus HIMSELF fulfilling FF Lev23:10-12 "THE SHEAF" and "AN HE LAMB WITHOUT BLEMISH of the FIRST YEAR for a burnt offering unto the LORD" [this does not exclude "positional/legal" truths, as I've pointed out in past posts... but does mean that no one was "physically [/literally] IN HEAVEN" with Him then])]
29 Brothers, I can tell you with confidence that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that He would place one of his descendants on his throne.h 31 Foreseeing this, David spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that He was not abandoned to Hades, nor did His body see decay. 32 God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses.
[nowhere does it say "David" appeared to many, in the Matt27:52-53 passage, or surely Peter could have mentioned that here in Acts 2, yet he does not; also, I believe the fact they "went into the holy city and appeared unto many" is to show the CONTRAST of what JESUS DID that very day (His "[ACTIVE] I ASCEND"-Jn20:17, said to MM--thus HIMSELF fulfilling FF Lev23:10-12 "THE SHEAF" and "AN HE LAMB WITHOUT BLEMISH of the FIRST YEAR for a burnt offering unto the LORD" [this does not exclude "positional/legal" truths, as I've pointed out in past posts... but does mean that no one was "physically [/literally] IN HEAVEN" with Him then])]
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Ephesians 3 -
For reason of this I Paul the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles...
Surely you have heard of the administration of God’s grace having been given to me toward you that He made known to me the mystery by revelation just as I have written before in brief which by reading you are able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as now it has been revealed in the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets [<--written in this order ALWAYS means NT apostles and prophets] that the Gentiles are joint-heirs and a joint-body and joint-partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel of which I became servant according to the gift of God’s grace having been given to me according to the working of His power.
To me the very least of all saints was given this grace: to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ and to enlighten all what is the administration of the mystery having been hidden from the ages in God the One having created all things so that now through the church the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms according to the purpose of the ages which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord in whom we have boldness and access in confidence by faith in Him [/by means of the faith OF Him].
For reason of this I Paul the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles...
Surely you have heard of the administration of God’s grace having been given to me toward you that He made known to me the mystery by revelation just as I have written before in brief which by reading you are able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as now it has been revealed in the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets [<--written in this order ALWAYS means NT apostles and prophets] that the Gentiles are joint-heirs and a joint-body and joint-partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel of which I became servant according to the gift of God’s grace having been given to me according to the working of His power.
To me the very least of all saints was given this grace: to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ and to enlighten all what is the administration of the mystery having been hidden from the ages in God the One having created all things so that now through the church the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms according to the purpose of the ages which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord in whom we have boldness and access in confidence by faith in Him [/by means of the faith OF Him].