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Is the Great Commission irrelevant for the church now?
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Oh contrere,
Innocent blood of ot animals pointed every single time to the lamb of God....Jesus.
See that?
Genesis is the end,revelation the beginning.
Jesus....slain from the foundation of the world.
Then you don't accept progressive revelation. You keep insisting you understand what that is, but your clearly don't.
Ok,what is the perfect,complete gospel?
I think we all know.
But crucifiction is good news in that provision is made for sin.
Payment. Innocent blood.
Heavens requirement met.
....but there is more.
More good news.
He resurrected. He made a way to heaven.
So,if i preach half a gospel and people get saved,are they less saved than if i preached a more complete gospel?
Likewise,if i preach to the Jews it does not diminish or redefine the Gospel.
No matter what,the gospel is ,Jesus saves.
Here are 4 different translations of the Great Commission. You tell us after reading this.
Matthew 28:16-20 The Great Commission
AMPC
16 Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed and made appointment with them.
17 And when they saw Him, they fell down and worshiped Him; but some doubted.
18 Jesus approached and, breaking the silence, said to them, All authority (all power of rule) in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
19 Go then and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 Teaching them to observe everything that I have commanded you, and behold, I am with you all the days (perpetually, uniformly, and on every occasion), to the [very] close and consummation of the age. Amen (so let it be).
NIV
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
ESV
The Great Commission
16 Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. 17 And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
KJV
16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
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What I do not accept is your multiple gospel theology. Progressive revelation is just your excuse and it does not help you
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Show me another gospel that Jesus preached besides Paul's.
Then realize where you classified Jesus.
That has to really hurt your position.
Read it again.
"31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him."
Not only did he preach the gospel of the kingdom
(To you a bad and different gospel)
But what else did he do?
He preached the things concerning the Lord Jesus Christ.
That would be the 4 gospels.
That makes 2 "errors" of Paul
You say Jesus preached the law,not grace.
You say the kingdom is a different gospel.
Jesus stated the law is in place until heaven and earth disappear. We all sin (breaking the law) and are condemned because of it.
Grace is a free gift from God.
We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus. He took our sins on himself on the cross. Woe to those who reject this gift. They will be judged under the law.
Ok,there are certain points the paulines have that are valid.
1) Jesus was not yet glorified or crucified in his earthly walk.
But that,to me is a non issue in the scope of Jesus's understanding.
2) the disciples had a foggy view of what was going on.
But that also factors in as a non issue.
Remember when Jesus met the disciples on the highway they did not recognize him for hours while the talked to him.
But it says " at the breaking of the bread,their eyes were opened"
Revelation came into their spirit.
The early church formed and was operating before Paul. The Holy Spirit did not guide them into a false gospel.
Paul agreed with the early church.
James is the balance to "easy grace".
If i love and honor my king, my behavior lines up with his testimony (his law)
In reference to the Great Commission through the millennia since Jesus the Great Commission is what h as powered evangelism and missionaries. We are supposed to have a concern for those without salvation powered by grace through faith in Jesus. Without that they will be condemned by God at judgement time. At that time Jesus is quoted as saying to those who claim works "Begone, I never knew you." James states works without faith is dead. Thus faith is required first. We get faith through hearing the word of God.
You took the most popular version of the GC that is used in churches and wisely left out Mark's version, so that you don't have to think about whether you also have to preach to others they need to believe AND be baptized in order to be saved. That is wise of you.
So let's use the Matthew version then. Notice the words I have highlighted. May I ask you whether you are aware of all the things Jesus commanded his 12 disciples in the book of Matthew. Do you believe in teaching others to follow EVERYTHING, like what the NIV version says? Do you see any potential conflicts there?