The two witnesses are the Law and Prophets with Moses as the representative of the Law and Elijah the representative of the Prophets, remember the transfiguration? I know you won't agree, so why bother.
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The promises to them are fulfilled and being fulfilled in the Church of Christ, one of the most very reasons for their existence.
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Linda70
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God gave those promises and covenants to the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, not to the Church. Every New Testament believer partakes of the spiritual blessings of those promises through Christ, but nowhere does Scriptures say that these promises and covenants has been transferred from national Israel to the church. The fulfillment of the land covenant for Israel is yet future...it will occur at the Second Coming. (Deuteronomy 30:1-10; Romans 11:25-29).
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"For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother." Mk.3:35
True but it's that apostate nation that God will be grafted back in as they turn back to Him and receive His national promises.
I don't believe Deut. 30 nor Romans 11 support a revival of Natural Israel. Deut. 30 Speaks of the return to the land after the Babylonian captivity (Jacob's trouble) and Romans 11 deals how Jews can obtain mercy the same way gentiles do, by faith in Christ. Thus "ALL" Israel is referring to all those of Jewish decent who all repent and recognize Jesus as their savior. "So all Israel will be saved" is correctly translated "in this manner" all Israel will be saved. By what Manner, by faith in Christ of coarse.
I find it quit odd that the NT never mentions the restoration of Natural Israel in prophecy, and upon the return of Jesus we have the judgment of both the righteous in Christ and those who do evil.
John 5:28
28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
(It doesn't get any clearer then this)!
Food for thought about the Two Witnesses:
Hebrews 9:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And just as it is appointed for people to die once—and after this, judgment—
1 Corinthians 15:50 (GW)
[SUP]50 [/SUP] Brothers and sisters, this is what I mean: Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. What decays cannot inherit what doesn't decay.
Enoch and Elijah did not die! NOR does it tell us that their bodies were changed to glorified bodies.
What would be the effect on ISRAEL, if GOD had transported them through time, and set them down in the End Times as the TWO WITNESSES? And they were instantly recognized JUST LIKE when Elijah represented the Living Believers, and Moses the Dead Believers on the Mt. of Transfiguration?
Would it NOT result in THIS:
Romans 11:26-27 (NIV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
And thus the TWO WITNESSES do DIE in the streets of Jerusalem.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
And thus the TWO WITNESSES do DIE in the streets of Jerusalem.
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There are lots of Scriptures out of the Prophets, Isa-Mal. that speak of the regathering of national Israel to their land but you probably will pooh pooh them as well.
Israel or the jews are the nation who always did against what God asked them to do.As a result of that God disliked them.They walked on earth for a long time and they did not have a country.And that was a punishment for them by God.............They created israel by taking land through fraud and their cunning ways.................now stop seeing the picture what jewish controlled media is showing by blaming hamas................for how long people want to remain in dark.............and want to believe what american govt is telling them...........because they have always supported them unjustly............israel is killing innocent children andpeople.............and UN. Is silent..................now people have closed their eyes at the brutalities of israel...............butGod is watching all this............jews will always b in bad books of God.and a day will come when he will take revenge of all the brutalities f israel and thesupporters of israel
This time I am totally on your side. He is either an unbeliever who is a Hamas sympathizer OR a Islamic follower spreading lies about Israel. Either way he lied to become a member here. But I see admin is on the ball, as he is already banned.
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Fishbait
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Hamas has "hate without a cause". Their cause? They hate all infidels that won't accept Islam. They hate Israel and want to kill all Jews and push them into the sea. They believe they're right in doing what they're wanting to do to Israel as well as to ALL nonbelievers of Islam. The Quran is very clear. It contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Hamas and Muslims believe (as do many people in this world today) like another man the world once knew. A man that many today believe had the right idea about 'those Jews', "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator" [Hitler, Mein Kampf]
All those that come against God's chosen people (Israel) neither care nor worry about what God (who cannot lie) has in store for them.
“The Lord will grant that the enemies who rise up against you will be defeated before you. They will come at you from one direction but flee from you in seven” (Deuteronomy 28:7).
New American Standard Bible
"Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it.
"Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it.
Then please quote from the Word to help me remember that the two witnesses will come to minister to the world.
Thank you.
From my learning through the HOLY SPIRIT, during that time and as you have confessed in you reply, 'that Jerusalem will reject the two witnesses'.
These witnesses will also perform signs and wonders for Israel from Jerusalem, in order for them to believe, for the GOD of their ancestors have sent them, 'to bring the Gospel back to Israel', 'once it has been preached all over the world'.
And at that time due to the two witnesses strange actions and for sure will be every News agency magnet, all the press in the world, will be there to capture the best action to the best angle and themselves witness about a strange event is taking place and the whole world glued to TV screens will witness them.
Why the world at that moment of time, will spend their lives glued to the TV?
Because the only way anti-CHRIST is able to prove himself as the world's messiah, to the world, is effectively through television.
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Matthew 21:42-43 does not say the kingdom of God has been taken from Israel and given to the church.
Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Jesus did not say the kingdom of God would be taken from Israel, but from the people He was addressing. He was addressing "the chief priests and elders of the people" Verse 45 makes that obvious:
Matthew 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
This passage teaches the Jewish religious rulers of Jesus' day lost their position in the kingdom of God because of their rejection of Christ. The kingdom of God would be taken from them and given to others. Jesus did not say the kingdom of God would be given to the church, but to "another nation." The church is NOT another "nation". To interpret this "other nation" as the church contradicts the context of the passage. It contradicts God's promises to Israel in the Old Testament. It contradicts consistent New Testament revelation concerning the kingdom of God. The parable itself teaches that Israel and her promises shall remain intact in a future restoration. In the parable of Matthew 21:33-44, the vineyard is Israel and the husbandmen pictures Israel's spiritual rulers. It is the husbandmen who are destroyed and replaced, not the vineyard. The Old Testament reference (Psalms 118:22) which Jesus quoted in Matthew 21:42 upholds the truth that Israel's rulers are replaced, not Israel herself. In Psalms 118:22, it is the "builders" who are in view. The builders are the spiritual rulers of Israel who rejected Christ, God's Chief Stone. Therefore, again, Jesus is teaching that the rulers shall lose their place because of their rebellion. The builders are rejected, not the building. Old Testament testimony upholds the truth that Israel's rulers are replaced, not Israel herself. God's promises to national Israel cannot be lost through disobedience because of their unconditional, eternal nature and because God has continued to reaffirm them after disobedience. The covenants promised that Israel would be chastened for sin, but not permanently cast aside. New Testament testimony promises the nation Israel a future restoration. The kingdom of God in the New Testament points to the same future, earthly Davidic kingdom as that foretold in the Old Testament. (Way of Life Encyclopedia: Kingdom of God [excerpts])
Yes, a similar situation occurred when one generation coming out of Egypt failed to believe God's Promise about the Land and so it was given to the next generation.
So perhaps you should rewrite scripture and make it say this; "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a[n] [remove-nation] another generation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
The chief priests and Pharisees were the heads/rulers of Israel and they led the whole nation astray.
18 Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry.19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered.
[h=1]Luke 13 New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][h=3]Repent or Perish[/h]13 There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than allother Galileans, because they suffered such things?3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than allother men who dwelt in Jerusalem?5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.”
[h=3]The Parable of the Barren Fig Tree[/h]6 He also spoke this parable: “A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none.7 Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, ‘Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?’ 8 But he answered and said to him, ‘Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it.9 And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that[a] you can cut it down.’”