Jesus killed the law causing enmity to cease

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JaumeJ said:
Another way of understanding, Jesus killed the curse of the law, death, ending the enmity between sinners and the law. Now we are given the privilege by the Holy Spirit to obey the law as well as we are given to understand the law under the New Covenant.

By His own example, Jesus Christ, we know how the law functions to this day by applying the important points of the law, that being faith (in the wisdom of Jesus' teachings9, mercy (if we wish to obtain mercy), and justice. Remember justice must contain mercy. There, now isn't this easy to understand. The Pharisees taught laws and traditions of man as commandments from God, not so with us. We study His Word to be found good servants of the Most High God, amen.
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You have the gospel completely backwards. Jesus became a curse to end the enmity between GOD and man, not between sinners and the law. Sinners can never be at peace with the law, because the law demands their death. Only through death does the law cease its demands. That is why we now have peace with GOD, because we, ourselves, have been made dead to the law through baptism into Christ's death. The curse of the law hasn't ended; it has been executed against us through faith in the operation of Christ. In this way the law is honored and upheld. And we live through faith in the life of Christ who gives us this liberty, not through some new covenant understanding of how we should follow the law.

You have simply emasculated the law to create your own version of law that suits your particular manifestation of self-righteousness. By doing so, you completely dishonor the law and GOD.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
You have the gospel completely backwards. Jesus became a curse to end the enmity between GOD and man, not between sinners and the law. Sinners can never be at peace with the law, because the law demands their death. Only through death does the law cease its demands. That is why we now have peace with GOD, because we, ourselves, have been made dead to the law through baptism into Christ's death. The curse of the law hasn't ended; it has been executed against us through faith in the operation of Christ. In this way the law is honored and upheld. And we live through faith in the life of Christ who gives us this liberty, not through some new covenant understanding of how we should follow the law.

You have simply emasculated the law to create your own version of law that suits your particular manifestation of self-righteousness. By doing so, you completely dishonor the law and GOD.
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just more of the same from the same people, h.r.f.t.d. , more of the same. they just play mix and match with the O.T. and N.T. until they come up with a version of the law, kind of mixed with grace, but a mixed-up mess.
 
JaumeJ said:
Another way of understanding, Jesus killed the curse of the law, death, ending the enmity between sinners and the law. Now we are given the privilege by the Holy Spirit to obey the law as well as we are given to understand the law under the New Covenant.

By His own example, Jesus Christ, we know how the law functions to this day by applying the important points of the law, that being faith (in the wisdom of Jesus' teachings9, mercy (if we wish to obtain mercy), and justice. Remember justice must contain mercy. There, now isn't this easy to understand. The Pharisees taught laws and traditions of man as commandments from God, not so with us. We study His Word to be found good servants of the Most High God, amen.
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Brother JaumeJ,

we can have no better example than Christ, may we be strong and walk in His footsteps
to the best of our ability....For we can do all things through Christ Who strengthens us.'

1PETER2:21-22.
For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example,
that ye should follow His steps:
That did no sin, neither was guile found in His mouth:

1COR.11:1.
Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.
 
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Perhaps this mix and match is what Jesus Christ was doing when He opened they eyes of the two apostles on the road after He rose from the dead? I believe the apostles were taught the same thing the Holy Spirit teaches all who will listen to Jesus Christ.


gb9 said:
just more of the same from the same people, h.r.f.t.d. , more of the same. they just play mix and match with the O.T. and N.T. until they come up with a version of the law, kind of mixed with grace, but a mixed-up mess.
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JaumeJ said:
Perhaps this mix and match is what Jesus Christ was doing when He opened they eyes of the two apostles on the road after He rose from the dead? I believe the apostles were taught the same thing the Holy Spirit teaches all who will listen to Jesus Christ.
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Why do you never seem to state the holy Spirit teaches us from what the Apostles wrote in their Epistles? Jesus himself said he was limited in what he could teach his disciples for vthey were not yet ready to bear such knowledge, but when the Holy Spirit came upon them then they would be guided into all truth.
From Jesus words, we can say that those who only look to Jesus words in the Gospels, rather than seeking to learn from what the Apostles wrote also, will be limited in their understanding of the new covenant, whereas those who learn from the Apostles letters as well as the Gospels will not be
 
I may only hear and do as Jesus Christ teaches. No one can save himself, not by the law, not by any personal effort except being a child of obedience. Obeying the law cannot please God without being in the grace of Jesus Christ's Blood sacrifice. Or will you tell me it pleases God when the law is deliberately broken. Breaking the law is sin. Answer that question then tell me why I should not strive to be a child of obedience.

Is it taught we may or should be lawless? Quite the contrary, but we obey the law in the most lawful manner, under the understanding that only comes from the teaching of Jesus Christ, the Apostles, Revelation and the Epistles when understood in the light of the teaching of Jesus Christ.
 
JaumeJ said:
I may only hear and do as Jesus Christ teaches. No one can save himself, not by the law, not by any personal effort except being a child of obedience. Obeying the law cannot please God without being in the grace of Jesus Christ's Blood sacrifice. Or will you tell me it pleases God when the law is deliberately broken. Breaking the law is sin. Answer that question then tell me why I should not strive to be a child of obedience.

Is it taught we may or should be lawless? Quite the contrary, but we obey the law in the most lawful manner, under the understanding that only comes from the teaching of Jesus Christ, the Apostles, Revelation and the Epistles when understood in the light of the teaching of Jesus Christ.
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When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: [SUP]9 [/SUP]about sin, because people do not believe in me; [SUP]10 [/SUP]about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; [SUP]11 [/SUP]and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.[SUP]12 [/SUP]‘I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear.[SUP]13 [/SUP]But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth John 16:8-13

From the Lord Jesus own words we see there is much more he wanted to tell the disciples in regard to sin(breaking the law) righteousness and judgement. However, the disciples were not yet ready to bear such knowledge. But when the Holy Spirit came they would understand for he would lead them into all truth. The writers of the Epistles(mainly Paul) did have the Holy Spirit leading them into all truth, and they wrote to believers who had the Spirit in them so as they could understand the full message of sin(breaking the law) righteousness and judgement
So I repeat, according to the Lord Jesus own words, anyone who solely focuses on Christ's words in the Gospels will not fully understand the message of sin(breaking the law) righteousness and judgement.
If you understand Paul's message, as he wrote most of the books of instructional teaching after the Gospels you will understand
 
Matthew 5:17," Do not think that I have come to destroy the law or the prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill".
 
The Greek word pleroo, translated “fulfill” in Matthew 5:17, means “to make full, to fill, to fill up,…to fill to the full” or “to render full, i.e. to complete” ( Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, 2002, Strong’s number 4137). In other words, Jesus said He came to complete the law and make it perfect. How? By showing the spiritual intent and application of God’s law. His meaning is clear from the remainder of the chapter, where He showed the spiritual intent of specific commandments.
Some distort the meaning of “fulfill” to have Jesus saying, “I did not come to destroy the law, but to end it by fulfilling it.” This is inconsistent with His own words. Through the remainder of the chapter, He showed that the spiritual application of the law made it even more difficult to keep, not that it was annulled or no longer necessary.
Jesus, by explaining, expanding and exemplifying God’s law, fulfilled a prophecy of the Messiah found in Isaiah 42:21: “The LORD is well pleased for His righteousness’ sake; He will exalt the law, and make it honorable.” The Hebrew word gadal, translated “exalt” or “magnify” (KJV) literally means “to be or become great” (William Wilson, Wilson’s Old Testament Word Studies, “Magnify”).
Jesus Christ did exactly that, showing the holy, spiritual intent, purpose and scope of God’s law. He met the law’s requirements by obeying it perfectly in thought and deed, both in the letter and in the intent of the heart.
 
The second major statement by Jesus given in the exact same context makes it even clearer that Jesus did not come to destroy, rescind, nullify or abrogate the law. “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled” (Matthew 5:18).
With these words, Jesus likened the continuance of the law to the permanence of heaven and earth. He is saying that the law is immutable, inviolable and unchangeable and can only be fulfilled, never abrogated.
We should note that in this verse a different Greek word is used for “fulfilled”: ginomai, meaning “to become,” “to come into existence” or “to come to pass” ( Thayer’s, Strong’s number 1096). Until the ultimate completion of God’s plan to glorify humanity in His Kingdom comes to pass—that is, as long as there are still fleshly human beings—the physical codification of God’s law in Scripture is necessary. This, Jesus explained, is as certain as the continued existence of the universe
 
The third statement of Jesus pronounces that our fate rests on our attitude toward and treatment of God’s holy law. “Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least [by those] in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:19). The “by those” is added for clarification, since, as explained in other passages, those who persist in lawbreaking and teach others to break God’s law will not themselves be in the Kingdom at all.
Jesus makes it very clear that those who follow Him and aspire to His Kingdom have a perpetual obligation to obey and uphold God’s law. He is saying that we cannot diminish from the law of God by even a jot or tittle—the equivalent of the crossing of a “t” or dotting of an “i.”
The value He places on the commandments of God is also unmistakable —as well as the high esteem toward the law that He requires from all those who teach in His name. His disapproval falls on those who slight the least of the law’s commands, and His honor will be bestowed on those who teach and obey the commandments.
Since Jesus obeyed the commandments of God, it follows that His servants, too, must keep the commandments and teach others to do the same (1 John 2:2-6). It is in this way that the true ministers of Christ are to be identified—by their following the example He left them (John 13:15).
 
Brother_Don said:
Since Jesus obeyed the commandments of God, it follows that His servants, too, must keep the commandments and teach others to do the same (1 John 2:2-6). It is in this way that the true ministers of Christ are to be identified—by their following the example He left them (John 13:15).
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I imagine you believe Paul was not a true minister of God for he twice stated in rom ch 14 All food was clean
 
And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. Acts 10:28
 
Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate, Acts 10:17
 
As one who is in the lord Jesus I am fully convinced that no food is unclean rom14:14

Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. ALL food is clean, but it I wrong for a man to eat anything that causes another to stumble rom14:20
 
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