Joyce Meyers- false teacher.
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It's not an opinion that these teachers aren't teaching the real meanings behind the Word of God. It's pretty obvious. The video I used to analyze her teachings wasn't a video that's been doctored, I literally typed into you tube "Joyce Meyer greatest teachings" Nothing at all about the way she portrayed scripture was biblically accurate.. Not even remotely close
You obviously have a personal stake in these people. You probably like to watch them or quote them often? however, if you'd unbiasedly investigate these people you would come to the same conclusion.
How about David Wilkerson? is he a false teacher?
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How about David Wilkerson? is he a false teacher?
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Continue reading, it says don't judge as a hypocrite. Don't be guilty of the same thing you are judging others for, hence removing the plank to see clearly to remove the speck.
[h=1] 2 Timothy 4 King James Version (KJV)
[/h]4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
[h=1] 2 Timothy 4 King James Version (KJV)
[/h]4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Although I agree we need to expose false teachings....
Were we not told that our battles are against the principalities and powers of evil, not each other?
Somehow we keep losing sight of the goal, and looking to what this person is doing or that person is saying.
When we are to keep our eyes on Jesus.
For what matters is the message, the truth we are called to in Jesus.
For during the storm on the boat, the apostles became afraid, and woke Jesus.
Jesus then asked them, where is your faith?
Our confidence is in Jesus, and the promise that He shall not let any take you from His hand.
So let us not forget who the true enemy is, and rejoice in the victory already won in Jesus.
For our battles are against the pincipalites and powers of evil, not each other.
For it is not about who did or said what to who, or who we claim to be the enemy, for we already know who the enemy is.
It is all about who we follow, Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!
In Jesus, God bless
pickles
Ask yourself, what would you better listen to, the claims of this person evil, that person is evil.
Or the message that points to Jesus, and says rejoice, for He is the way, the truth and the life, and He loves you.
Were we not told that our battles are against the principalities and powers of evil, not each other?
Somehow we keep losing sight of the goal, and looking to what this person is doing or that person is saying.
When we are to keep our eyes on Jesus.
For what matters is the message, the truth we are called to in Jesus.
For during the storm on the boat, the apostles became afraid, and woke Jesus.
Jesus then asked them, where is your faith?
Our confidence is in Jesus, and the promise that He shall not let any take you from His hand.
So let us not forget who the true enemy is, and rejoice in the victory already won in Jesus.
For our battles are against the pincipalites and powers of evil, not each other.
For it is not about who did or said what to who, or who we claim to be the enemy, for we already know who the enemy is.
It is all about who we follow, Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh!
In Jesus, God bless
pickles
Ask yourself, what would you better listen to, the claims of this person evil, that person is evil.
Or the message that points to Jesus, and says rejoice, for He is the way, the truth and the life, and He loves you.
Cee, I read all of your responses, and though I don't agree with them, i won't go through them one by one and refute them with you. You've read my perspective, I've read yours, it's not my job to change your mind and it's been my experience on CC it's not a worthy task trying to change someones mind.
J
It's fine you don't agree my responses, I don't agree with yours. I've shown even more Scripture than you did, does this make me right and you wrong? Does it make you false and me true? Or does it just mean we have different interpretations? What I hope you will see and others like you is that a different interpretation to you, does not make other people false.
As far as using these Scriptures to defend this blatant gossip, I will address this:
1. Joyce is not here. There is nothing good being done by calling her a false teacher. At all. Just because you don't like her teachings doesn't mean she is false, in fact maybe you are the one who is false. Would you like people saying this about you?
2. You are not Paul. You are not the Spiritual father of this forum, you don't know the people here personally, you haven't wept or rejoiced with them, you have not earned a place in their life to speak into them. You are not the only who knows the Holy Spirit. You are not the only one who can read the Bible.
3. Paul said to avoid people like you. You are using Paul's words, but they come back at you because he said to avoid people who cause divisions. People who cause arguments. People who think themselves higher than anyone else. People who judge other people's servants. Even if you were the stronger Christian, you are told to not cause weaker Christians to stumble.
4. And before you use Timothy's Scripture that you think gives you authority to rebuke and reproof, it doesn't, you are not an overseer to anyone's souls here. This is a forum of believers, stop seeing yourself as powerful and right, and everyone else as not. This is pride.
I'm sure your intentions are good, but this stuff has been going on far too long in the Body, and it needs to stop. If you don't agree with something someone says, fine, that can be discussed, but when you say someone is a FALSE TEACHER, you are judging their intentions.
Or do you think all of your teaching is perfect without error? If not, then should you call yourself a false teacher? Should no one teach at all because not everyone will agree with you? Regardless you who like to throw stones, how many souls have you saved, how many lives have you touched? I am willing to bet both Joyce and Joel have you beat in spades. And you putting them down doesn't change your fruit one bit.
I will always defend the Lord's anointed just as Jesus always defended His disciples. Love protects. It doesn't back-bite and try to find division. Focus on the Scripture. It is not cool at all to publicly say people are false teachers.
Just as if someone attacked you and said you were a false teacher, I would defend you. Even though I did say these things it was so you would see the fruit of your statements. If you have a problem with Joyce talk to her directly, if you can't don't agree with something she says, focus on that, but when someone takes the time to divide what YOU have said. You don't comment?
What then was your intention here? Was it to simply be able to say Joyce is a false teacher? Or was it to discuss what she had said? If you are truly concerned about other people and that's why you took the time to write this, why wouldn't you want to discuss it?
Hopefully, these questions will be used by the Holy Spirit, since He alone will make you stand or fall. Not my words, not Joyces words, not even our interpretation. No, just the living God inside of you. And He alone is worthy.
C.
As far as using these Scriptures to defend this blatant gossip, I will address this:
1. Joyce is not here. There is nothing good being done by calling her a false teacher. At all. Just because you don't like her teachings doesn't mean she is false, in fact maybe you are the one who is false. Would you like people saying this about you?
2. You are not Paul. You are not the Spiritual father of this forum, you don't know the people here personally, you haven't wept or rejoiced with them, you have not earned a place in their life to speak into them. You are not the only who knows the Holy Spirit. You are not the only one who can read the Bible.
3. Paul said to avoid people like you. You are using Paul's words, but they come back at you because he said to avoid people who cause divisions. People who cause arguments. People who think themselves higher than anyone else. People who judge other people's servants. Even if you were the stronger Christian, you are told to not cause weaker Christians to stumble.
4. And before you use Timothy's Scripture that you think gives you authority to rebuke and reproof, it doesn't, you are not an overseer to anyone's souls here. This is a forum of believers, stop seeing yourself as powerful and right, and everyone else as not. This is pride.
I'm sure your intentions are good, but this stuff has been going on far too long in the Body, and it needs to stop. If you don't agree with something someone says, fine, that can be discussed, but when you say someone is a FALSE TEACHER, you are judging their intentions.
Or do you think all of your teaching is perfect without error? If not, then should you call yourself a false teacher? Should no one teach at all because not everyone will agree with you? Regardless you who like to throw stones, how many souls have you saved, how many lives have you touched? I am willing to bet both Joyce and Joel have you beat in spades. And you putting them down doesn't change your fruit one bit.
I will always defend the Lord's anointed just as Jesus always defended His disciples. Love protects. It doesn't back-bite and try to find division. Focus on the Scripture. It is not cool at all to publicly say people are false teachers.
Just as if someone attacked you and said you were a false teacher, I would defend you. Even though I did say these things it was so you would see the fruit of your statements. If you have a problem with Joyce talk to her directly, if you can't don't agree with something she says, focus on that, but when someone takes the time to divide what YOU have said. You don't comment?
What then was your intention here? Was it to simply be able to say Joyce is a false teacher? Or was it to discuss what she had said? If you are truly concerned about other people and that's why you took the time to write this, why wouldn't you want to discuss it?
Hopefully, these questions will be used by the Holy Spirit, since He alone will make you stand or fall. Not my words, not Joyces words, not even our interpretation. No, just the living God inside of you. And He alone is worthy.
C.
I can clearly say this ,as jesus quoted that He will come quickly toreward each as their conduct shall be in other translations the word use is i will reward each man according to his works and stated , he thst is rigjteous let him be righteous and he that is filthy let him be filthy still , for he said this for without are dogs whoremongers murderers adulferers fornicaters those wjo loveth and maketh a lie , meaning knowing the truth but not living it , walking in the spirit if there is a false teacher they are there as judgement against all doers of iniquity , but my Lord says that my sheep shall hear my voice , and he said that ye are my disciples indeed if you do as I say
Joyce Meyers is a public figure, and she can come here, but she won't. Therefor it doesn't matter that she's not here.
She's a false teacher, and only good comes from pointing out the truth. The Devil loves to condemn "judgement", because the only thing that the righteous judge is wickedness. The wicked have nothing to judge, except for their wicked and hypocritical attempts to judge the righteous for judging.
Not warning sheep of lions is not helping fellow Christians who are weak. Paul speaks against judging those weak in faith, specifically those who follow the ceremonial OT laws (of which the were rightly raised!) The key is that they are following their faith, even if it's weak. Meyers isn't following faith, but greed. And, if she's weak in faith, she has no business preaching.
She's a false teacher, and only good comes from pointing out the truth. The Devil loves to condemn "judgement", because the only thing that the righteous judge is wickedness. The wicked have nothing to judge, except for their wicked and hypocritical attempts to judge the righteous for judging.
Not warning sheep of lions is not helping fellow Christians who are weak. Paul speaks against judging those weak in faith, specifically those who follow the ceremonial OT laws (of which the were rightly raised!) The key is that they are following their faith, even if it's weak. Meyers isn't following faith, but greed. And, if she's weak in faith, she has no business preaching.
Okay, you want to continue? as you wish.
"It's fine you don't agree my responses, I don't agree with yours. I've shown even more Scripture than you did."-Cee
Job 38 is not only relevant to Romans 9, it is relevant throughout all of scripture. Job 38 shows that God's ways are higher than ours and God is sovereign. Romans 9, also shows us that God's ways are higher than ours and obviously He is sovereign, so why do you stop there? What was the the point of Romans 9? why use Romans 9 at all? we can show God is sovereign and His ways are higher than ours from any book of the bible. Why not simply quote Job? So why Romans 9? because it had a sentence she could take out of context to validate HER message.
You say you quoted more scripture but in reality you aren't even addressing the scripture thats already been posted, you aren't even giving a credible witness to the scripture you quote.
Read the context of Exodus
13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.
15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
You claim this statement was only made to say "I Am God, I will do what I want."
Here is scripture that shows it was far more than that.
John 8
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
God says I AM is His name forever, and Jesus is quoting from Exodus 3 and the Jews understood His reference (hence the stones)
1. Joyce is not here. There is nothing good being done by calling her a false teacher. At all. Just because you don't like her teachings doesn't mean she is false, in fact maybe you are the one who is false. Would you like people saying this about you?
It is a warning to our brothers and sisters but especially to those who seek. She preaches a self serving gospel and it lacks all of the things the gospel is based upon. Show me one example of her saying we need to repent of our sins. That is simple enought right? Jesus, Paul, John the baptist, Peter. All of them preached that, repenting and the cleansing of Jesus blood is the majority of the gospel after all.
Joyce is teaching "God made you, He doesn't make mistakes, love yourself exactly the way you are exactly where you are. Be who you are boldly." Joel Osteen says it like this "I say, wear your blessings well" There is truth in the beginning of Joyce' message, God did make me, He doesn't make mistakes, but the underlying message removes the fear of God. I am fine, my life is fine, again where is repentance?
2. You are not Paul. You are not the Spiritual father of this forum, you don't know the people here personally, you haven't wept or rejoiced with them, you have not earned a place in their life to speak into them. You are not the only who knows the Holy Spirit. You are not the only one who can read the Bible.
I am not Paul and I'm not trying to be anyones father. I do know some people here personally though, in real life and in time I've spent here. Where do I need to earn my right to share messages? to talk about the gospel and in some cases open eyes as well as learn from others, isn't this the purpose of CC?
I am not the only one who knows the Holy Spirit, I'm not arguing with that. I am not the only one who can read the bible, you are correct, even satan knows the scripture front and back.
3. Paul said to avoid people like you. You are using Paul's words, but they come back at you because he said to avoid people who cause divisions. People who cause arguments. People who think themselves higher than anyone else. People who judge other people's servants. Even if you were the stronger Christian, you are told to not cause weaker Christians to stumble.
Funny you would mention that. What does Paul actually teach?
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
He said avoid those who cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine we have learned. Those ARE the prosperity teachers. They don't teach repentance, they teach you can live your best life now. God wants us to prosper and we should wear our blessings well, these same teachers live like rockstars, 60 million dollar jets, the list goes on and on. We will know them by their fruits. I am not trying to teach or spread anything other than the gospel of Christ, I have no ulterior motives.
4. And before you use Timothy's Scripture that you think gives you authority to rebuke and reproof, it doesn't, you are not an overseer to anyone's souls here. This is a forum of believers, stop seeing yourself as powerful and right, and everyone else as not. This is pride.
why shouldn't I use 2 timothy? Suddenly now I have to dismiss the teachings of the bible because I'm not Paul?
it's funny, you say I shouldn't rebuke, and you say it while rebuking me lol
I am not perfect (far from it indeed) but it doesn't take perfection to see the wiles of the devil. The flesh is weak but the spirit is willing.
So I leave you with this. Can you show me Joel Osteen or Joyce Meyers teaching repentance of sins?
"It's fine you don't agree my responses, I don't agree with yours. I've shown even more Scripture than you did."-Cee
Job 38 is not only relevant to Romans 9, it is relevant throughout all of scripture. Job 38 shows that God's ways are higher than ours and God is sovereign. Romans 9, also shows us that God's ways are higher than ours and obviously He is sovereign, so why do you stop there? What was the the point of Romans 9? why use Romans 9 at all? we can show God is sovereign and His ways are higher than ours from any book of the bible. Why not simply quote Job? So why Romans 9? because it had a sentence she could take out of context to validate HER message.
You say you quoted more scripture but in reality you aren't even addressing the scripture thats already been posted, you aren't even giving a credible witness to the scripture you quote.
Read the context of Exodus
13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.
15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
You claim this statement was only made to say "I Am God, I will do what I want."
Here is scripture that shows it was far more than that.
John 8
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
God says I AM is His name forever, and Jesus is quoting from Exodus 3 and the Jews understood His reference (hence the stones)
1. Joyce is not here. There is nothing good being done by calling her a false teacher. At all. Just because you don't like her teachings doesn't mean she is false, in fact maybe you are the one who is false. Would you like people saying this about you?
It is a warning to our brothers and sisters but especially to those who seek. She preaches a self serving gospel and it lacks all of the things the gospel is based upon. Show me one example of her saying we need to repent of our sins. That is simple enought right? Jesus, Paul, John the baptist, Peter. All of them preached that, repenting and the cleansing of Jesus blood is the majority of the gospel after all.
Joyce is teaching "God made you, He doesn't make mistakes, love yourself exactly the way you are exactly where you are. Be who you are boldly." Joel Osteen says it like this "I say, wear your blessings well" There is truth in the beginning of Joyce' message, God did make me, He doesn't make mistakes, but the underlying message removes the fear of God. I am fine, my life is fine, again where is repentance?
2. You are not Paul. You are not the Spiritual father of this forum, you don't know the people here personally, you haven't wept or rejoiced with them, you have not earned a place in their life to speak into them. You are not the only who knows the Holy Spirit. You are not the only one who can read the Bible.
I am not Paul and I'm not trying to be anyones father. I do know some people here personally though, in real life and in time I've spent here. Where do I need to earn my right to share messages? to talk about the gospel and in some cases open eyes as well as learn from others, isn't this the purpose of CC?
I am not the only one who knows the Holy Spirit, I'm not arguing with that. I am not the only one who can read the bible, you are correct, even satan knows the scripture front and back.
3. Paul said to avoid people like you. You are using Paul's words, but they come back at you because he said to avoid people who cause divisions. People who cause arguments. People who think themselves higher than anyone else. People who judge other people's servants. Even if you were the stronger Christian, you are told to not cause weaker Christians to stumble.
Funny you would mention that. What does Paul actually teach?
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
He said avoid those who cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine we have learned. Those ARE the prosperity teachers. They don't teach repentance, they teach you can live your best life now. God wants us to prosper and we should wear our blessings well, these same teachers live like rockstars, 60 million dollar jets, the list goes on and on. We will know them by their fruits. I am not trying to teach or spread anything other than the gospel of Christ, I have no ulterior motives.
4. And before you use Timothy's Scripture that you think gives you authority to rebuke and reproof, it doesn't, you are not an overseer to anyone's souls here. This is a forum of believers, stop seeing yourself as powerful and right, and everyone else as not. This is pride.
why shouldn't I use 2 timothy? Suddenly now I have to dismiss the teachings of the bible because I'm not Paul?
it's funny, you say I shouldn't rebuke, and you say it while rebuking me lol
I am not perfect (far from it indeed) but it doesn't take perfection to see the wiles of the devil. The flesh is weak but the spirit is willing.
So I leave you with this. Can you show me Joel Osteen or Joyce Meyers teaching repentance of sins?
1 John 2:27 - But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
not it that I agree with Joyce, just saying...
My mother has dreams and different visions..
Joel 2:28 - And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
not it that I agree with Joyce, just saying...
My mother has dreams and different visions..
Joel 2:28 - And it shall come to pass afterward, [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
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And as Satan scrolls like I did a grin bigger and bigger grows on his face! The anger discussing Gods word on the Bible Forums and not just here but all over it is so sad I though a Christians site would be peaceful God is loosing here brother and sister! He's loosing because we are fighting and arguing it makes me so sad! I love deadtosins post...he's so kind but firm, never cruel.... I'm sorry deadtosin my friend it made me sad to see the arguing knowing that ole dirty beast is laughing, that he is pleased!
I though a Christians site would be peaceful God is loosing here brother and sister! He's loosing because we are fighting and arguing it makes me so sad! I love deadtosins post...he's so kind but firm, never cruel.... I'm sorry deadtosin my friend it made me sad to see the arguing knowing that ole dirty beast is laughing, that he is pleased!
And as Satan scrolls like I did a grin bigger and bigger grows on his face! The anger discussing Gods word on the Bible Forums and not just here but all over it is so sad I though a Christians site would be peaceful God is loosing here brother and sister! He's loosing because we are fighting and arguing it makes me so sad! I love deadtosins post...he's so kind but firm, never cruel.... I'm sorry deadtosin my friend it made me sad to see the arguing knowing that ole dirty beast is laughing, that he is pleased!
I though a Christians site would be peaceful God is loosing here brother and sister! He's loosing because we are fighting and arguing it makes me so sad! I love deadtosins post...he's so kind but firm, never cruel.... I'm sorry deadtosin my friend it made me sad to see the arguing knowing that ole dirty beast is laughing, that he is pleased!
Ever read the Bible? A lot of the New Testament devoted to denouncing false teachers and especially their teachings. Read even just five words of Jesus talking to the pharisees. Most of the extra-biblical early church documents are about fighting invading viruses.
Joyce Meyers is false teacher, and I'll tell people that so they don't follow her to Hell.
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