Now that you agree the Christians have power (binding & loosing) through Christ and Him Crucified, what is your definition of apostolic authority?
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Well finally, a post not assuming things. Thank you.
Besides having the oversight of the Churches at that time (e.g. 1Cor 5:1-5),
Apostolic Authority included their official writings to be as good as Scripture. Many buffoons today running around claiming they are Apostles and Prophets are not and their writings do not equal Scripture.
6 of one. . . 1/2 dozen of the other. Apostolic authority is the power of God's Holy Spirit that works in the heart by which any man can believe God 's prophecy, as it is written.
Apostolic authority according to those whose give glory to the flesh, venerating it through a oral tradition change . . . corrupted flesh into a Devine authority make the Tradition of God without effect. A apostle is simply a sent one. Abel was sent as a apostle to Cain his brother . Cain killed the messenger as a apostle, the first recorded martyr
Catechism of the Catholic Church. 80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal." S S s s s s s sssss (you will not surely die)
The apostles have no more authority other that than that which is needed for them to believe God. . given in their time of need. . Some make them into gods in the likeness of men (3500 and rising ) workers with familar spirits, a legion of gods that must be called patron saints that do the work of make the word of God without effect .
The bible is of NO PRIVATE INTERPRETATION it states.......but hey....carry on with your PRIVATE interpretation.....
I wouldn't assume true, what isn't trueI agree!....not that it matters to you
..but I know you didn't assume that, you were just making a point. lol
I am sorry! I just want to LOVE in peace with my fellow family. Please forgove me if I have caused YOU any offense.I just post what I feel is lwd by the Spirit to share!I wouldn't assume true, what isn't true
..but I know you didn't assume that, you were just making a point. lol
Based on his work on Sesame Street I'll go with fake apostle Ernie.
Adding new meaning to the word apostle as it seems, destroys the authors intent. We are not to venerate men for the work God performs in them .We venerate Him. . . the venerable One.
And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! Romans 17: 15
How beautiful are the feet of those sent called apostles (sent ones). Not how beautiful their minds or thoughts as interpretation . God puts his words on their mouth and moved their feet. . His words can restrain the madness of false apostles who bring false prophecy. like Balaam . It was not anymore difficult to open the mouth of Paul than it did the unclean animal used to represent unbelief. (no faith in the unseen God) God is not served by human hands in any way shape or form as a will and feet neither .They are metaphors used in parables.
And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times? Numbers 22:28
Washing of the feet is used to represent the gospel it opens our understanding to the old testemtment ceremonial law that did look ahead to the suffering of Christ beforehand and glory that followed .
22 times throughout the Bible the washing of the feet is used to represent the gospel. . .
John 13:7-9 King James Version (KJV)7 Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter. Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
I wasn't advocating venerating the Apostles or Prophets, I was just respecting the AUTHORITY invested to them by God. You can despise their authority by neglecting their word if you so wish.
ok, you are using the term 'Apostle' as sent one. I agree that is the basic definition, but I was using it in this sense...
Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
(Act 1:21-22 KJV)
Besides would you at least answer the point I keep bringing up..."Those who call themselves Apostles and ordain one another as an Apostle or Prophet (NAR/Bethel etc.) are their writings as good as Scripture, just like Paul's, Peter, James etc.?
Is that who you follow? Because anyone claiming to be an Apostle in the Acts 1 sense, is a fake.
Wherefore of these men which have accompanied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
(Act 1:21-22 KJV)
I don't believe that Ernie was one of the apostles in Acts but I could be wrong. For the record I believe that Jesus is the only one worth following for He is the KEY for salvation.
pfft, this discussion started out with authority and the claim, we as believers, have Apostolic authority. I guess you are no longer supporting those that make that claim?
I can agree to this. Has God ever given spiritual authority other than to the Apostles? There were instances of those casting out demons in the name of Jesus that were not apostles. Not sure if this was necessarily spiritual authority but perhaps worth noting.
Yes! But we dont want to become like the pharisees and saducces always arguing about this and that!