let this cup pass from me

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Absolem

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A few years ago I was given dreams and visions of who I was to marry and what kind of life we would have. I had these dreams years ago like I said and haven't talked to this particular girl in just as long. I know the Lord works all things for the good of those that love him and although I don't necisarily want her ( though I do love her) I know that there are good things in store for those who follow the Lord.

Thing is I know that she's been doing sinful things and I know it doesn't really matter because love covers over a multitude of sins but it still hurts pretty bad. I just don't see how she's going to suddenly change. She can be pretty hateful and ugly and I don't want that. I want someone who loves the Lord like I do. I know the Lord is working on her and that she'll come to terms with who the Lord is on her own and I'm all for that because like I said I do love her I just can't see us being together. I want someone else.

The Lord before his sacrifice asked the Father if this cup could pass from him nevertheless not my will but yours. Why would he do that if that's something that can't happen? Can't that situation apply to me? I know what he has in store but why can't this cup pass from me and I find someone else who won't hurt me so much?
 
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Hey Absolem,

From the few details you've told us, I would say, definitely proceed with caution, if even at all. What have your Christian mentors advised you concerning this girl?

Being single in the Christian community can definitely be confusing. I was 25 when my husband left for his girlfriend, and a myriad of well-meaning, but honestly, probably clueless church members told me all kinds of "prophecies" about me getting remarried in a few years and having children. Even a family member told me this. I clung on to every "word" they gave me because it was all I had, and exactly what I wanted to hear. In the end, it did more damage than if they'd never said anything at all.

As you can see, none of their "words from the Lord" have happened, and it's been almost 20 years. Now, I know everyone will immediately shout, "But what about Sarah and Abraham and Isaac!" but the thing is, around age 38 I came to a tentative peace over not having children and that's what I'm holding onto, unless the Lord drastically changes my heart. Do I believe God COULD give me a family? Absolutely! But it is really what I'm seeking at this point in my life? No, not at all. While I would like to get remarried, I have no desire to have children anymore (which is a big reason as to why I'm single; I meet many men in their 40's who want to start families or have more children.)

The tough part is that we singles want to obey the Lord (and if He says He has someone for us, boy do we ever want to be ready!), but how do we know if these "words", dreams, or "prophecies" are really from the Lord? I've talked to many people over the years and while I'm certainly no expert, I know of some who said their spouse was what they prayed for when they met them, but I don't know of anyone who was told specifically who their spouse would be (or what they would look like.) It doesn't mean that doesn't happen (which makes it all the more confusing), but I've also heard pastors say to always be wary (and generally doubtful) of any "prophecies" or predictions concerning marriage or babies, because our hearts tend to deceive us. With such high emotional stakes at hand, we lean towards hearing what we want to believe, and not necessarily what God is saying to us.

And then I always point out to my mentors that God was very specific to the mothers of Samson, John the Baptist, and Jesus (telling them they would have babies and, in the case of Jesus and John, even commanded them what to name them)... They in turn don't know how to reply to that, and so it's like I've landed back at Square One.

Your post reminds of me 3 specific cases I've seen over about 15 years:

1. A woman who prayed that if a certain man remained in her life, she would know it was God's will to marry him, even though she saw all the warning signs long beforehand. She prayed that if he left, she'd know not to marry him. But the man would not leave her alone, and so she wound up marrying him--resulting in years of terrible abuse and eventually, a bitter divorce.

2. A man who was such a terrible alcoholic that his own father told the man's 16-year-old girlfriend to get away from him as soon as possible. But this girl insisted that God told her that he was going to be great man of God someday, and married him when she was 19. After decades of putting up with his alcoholism, suicide attempts, nearly going broke because of his addictions, etc., he finally did turn to God. But it took multiple suicide attempts, separations, failures at rehab, and, about 40 years in the meantime. Was it really God telling this young girl to marry this man? I don't have the answer.

3. A girl I knew a while back insisted that God had told her she was going to marry a tall man with dark skin; dark, curly hair; and a certain color of eyes. She was a wonderful, sincere Christian girl who wanted to obey God so much that she would reject any other potential suitors (which makes one wonder... how dark is "dark"? Does wavy hair count, or would it have to be Afro-like curly? And how tall is "tall"? What if the guy was an inch shorter than God's supposed designation? How would she know?)

If any guy asked her out who was light-skinned, had straight hair, or a different eye color, she immediately (but politely) declined, saying that she was waiting on the man the Lord had chosen for her and was going to send her.

Ten years later, she's still waiting. And, as far as I know, she no longer adheres to those supposed guidelines she was once so sure were from the Lord.

I myself am thinking, "What if God told my future husband that he was going to marry a girl with straight, black hair?" I'd be in a lot of trouble because while my natural hair texture IS straight, I NEVER wear it that way. I always have it wavy or curly, AND, at times, have also dyed it red. My poor future husband wouldn't know who I am according to this description that is supposedly "from the Lord." Wow--nothing like the added anxiety that I might miss him because I'm wearing my hair the wrong way!

I could be wrong (and I'm eager to see what other posters have to add to your thread), but my general conclusion is, God gives us common sense.

If something doesn't seem right about this girl or this situation, it's probably not, and all the things you thought God told you... Just might not have been God.

Believe me, I've been there.

My best suggestion to you would be to rely on your group of Christian mentors and pastors. Have them keep you close in prayer and heart, and be open to their feedback.

From what you've said, I would highly doubt this girl is for you (or, at the very least, the timing isn't right), but of course, I'm not God, so I can't truly know. However, I've talked to many people who felll into traps like this while "trying to follow the Lord", and the result was usually misery, disaster, and often, divorce. (Imagine the complications if children are involved.)

Best wishes to you, and please keep us updated on how it goes.
 

Well the thing is I've been trying to run from it and make excuses because I know its from God. You didn't really answer my question. You just got hung up on the from God thing. I want to know if I can go a different course. Find someone else and still live for the Lord.
 

Well the thing is I've been trying to run from it and make excuses because I know its from God. You didn't really answer my question. You just got hung up on the from God thing. I want to know if I can go a different course. Find someone else and still live for the Lord.

My whole point was, maybe it's not from the Lord (to marry this girl).

And in that case, you're not disobeying.

Again, what do your elders say?

It's always wise to seek counsel of those familiar with exact situation.

My entire point was that, like you, I've known several people who insisted that a certain person was "from the Lord." And look where it got them.

Suggesting... that it really wasn't from the Lord.
 
A few years ago I was given dreams and visions of who I was to marry and what kind of life we would have. I had these dreams years ago like I said and haven't talked to this particular girl in just as long. I know the Lord works all things for the good of those that love him and although I don't necisarily want her ( though I do love her) I know that there are good things in store for those who follow the Lord.

Thing is I know that she's been doing sinful things and I know it doesn't really matter because love covers over a multitude of sins but it still hurts pretty bad. I just don't see how she's going to suddenly change. She can be pretty hateful and ugly and I don't want that. I want someone who loves the Lord like I do. I know the Lord is working on her and that she'll come to terms with who the Lord is on her own and I'm all for that because like I said I do love her I just can't see us being together. I want someone else.

The Lord before his sacrifice asked the Father if this cup could pass from him nevertheless not my will but yours. Why would he do that if that's something that can't happen? Can't that situation apply to me? I know what he has in store but why can't this cup pass from me and I find someone else who won't hurt me so much?

God is certainly not going to pressure you to get married, especially to a woman that is causing you anxiety. Perhaps you should consider a less-maintenance type of woman. Consider this cup passed.
 
P.S. Just out of curiosity, is this one of the "Cam Girls" you mentioned in your other thread?

I'm just wondering if you talked to those girls, somehow knew they weren't from God, and now have met someone else you really do believe is from God? It just seems awfully soon after going through talking to so many girls...

Or, may I ask, is she one of the girls who insisted on dancing around on camera, as you told us about before?

I'm not criticizing. Believe me, I've known plenty of people who said, "I just know this person is the one God has for me", (including myself.)

But... they were wrong. (And I was, too.)

I just hate to see a nice guy get hurt by falling for the wrong girl... while mistakenly believing he is following the will of God.
 
And I'll add to seoul's comments: Even if God did somehow show you that this was his Plan A (so to speak). What is there to make her obedient to the plan? What about all the details (like when, if you'll have a second wife in addition to this promised dream girl, how much difficulty there will be in the marriage, what to do when you disagree, etc)? I could say something about just look at how things were for Hosea and the woman God commanded him to marry (and that's one we can fairly safely say he did hear God's will, and it still wasn't pleasant). Bottom line, if it's God then yeah you should obey. But even if it is God there are an awful lot of details that you're probably making assumptions about when it comes to what obedience will look like or how it will turn out. Certainly not a decision a wise man would make based on a few dreams, some feelings, and no counsel from wise, mature believers who's advice can be trusted.
 
A few years ago I was given dreams and visions of who I was to marry and what kind of life we would have. I had these dreams years ago like I said and haven't talked to this particular girl in just as long. I know the Lord works all things for the good of those that love him and although I don't necisarily want her ( though I do love her) I know that there are good things in store for those who follow the Lord.

Thing is I know that she's been doing sinful things and I know it doesn't really matter because love covers over a multitude of sins but it still hurts pretty bad. I just don't see how she's going to suddenly change. She can be pretty hateful and ugly and I don't want that. I want someone who loves the Lord like I do. I know the Lord is working on her and that she'll come to terms with who the Lord is on her own and I'm all for that because like I said I do love her I just can't see us being together. I want someone else.

The Lord before his sacrifice asked the Father if this cup could pass from him nevertheless not my will but yours. Why would he do that if that's something that can't happen? Can't that situation apply to me? I know what he has in store but why can't this cup pass from me and I find someone else who won't hurt me so much?

When it comes to marriage,I do not think God forces us to be with someone.God does not have anything in the New Testament that says I will give you a wife and you marry her,and nobody else,for that is not one of His commandments thou shalt marry the woman I choose,maybe Old Testament,because there was a purpose there,but not in the New Testament with the Spirit,but even in the Old Testament we do not see it as a commandment,except do not marry a person of the other nations lest you get led away with their false gods.

I believe God would allow us to choose our own mate,although He would like it to be a believer.

Which God may throw a suggestion at you,but I do not believe that if you did not go along with the suggestion He would be mad,for I believe marriage is something we can decide on and not told who we can marry,although if it comes from God it would be compatible for God knows the heart,even if it does not appear that way at the first,or at the time,but then again it might not be God that suggested it.
 
If you marry this girl based on dreams and visions of what kind of life you think you will have, you will be miserable.

I can't imagine saying that I love someone but don't want them because they are sinful and not up to my religious level.

If I found out my husband had such thoughts about me, we would be divorced becaue that isn't love.
 
Dreams and visions, I'm not sure how much I would trust them. If in direct connection to prayer and Bible study that would seem to lend some verification but more importantly I would look for God to work the situation out and direct you toward her as she becomes a Godly woman. That said I've failed miserably at this myself. Made for the most painful Christmas I've ever had. Sigh maybe someday.
 
P.S. Just out of curiosity, is this one of the "Cam Girls" you mentioned in your other thread?

I'm just wondering if you talked to those girls, somehow knew they weren't from God, and now have met someone else you really do believe is from God? It just seems awfully soon after going through talking to so many girls...

Or, may I ask, is she one of the girls who insisted on dancing around on camera, as you told us about before?

I'm not criticizing. Believe me, I've known plenty of people who said, "I just know this person is the one God has for me", (including myself.)

But... they were wrong. (And I was, too.)

I just hate to see a nice guy get hurt by falling for the wrong girl... while mistakenly believing he is following the will of God.
I'm still waiting for the name of that website.. :rolleyes:
 
A few years ago I was given dreams and visions of who I was to marry and what kind of life we would have. I had these dreams years ago like I said and haven't talked to this particular girl in just as long. I know the Lord works all things for the good of those that love him and although I don't necisarily want her ( though I do love her) I know that there are good things in store for those who follow the Lord.

Thing is I know that she's been doing sinful things and I know it doesn't really matter because love covers over a multitude of sins but it still hurts pretty bad. I just don't see how she's going to suddenly change. She can be pretty hateful and ugly and I don't want that. I want someone who loves the Lord like I do. I know the Lord is working on her and that she'll come to terms with who the Lord is on her own and I'm all for that because like I said I do love her I just can't see us being together. I want someone else.

The Lord before his sacrifice asked the Father if this cup could pass from him nevertheless not my will but yours. Why would he do that if that's something that can't happen? Can't that situation apply to me? I know what he has in store but why can't this cup pass from me and I find someone else who won't hurt me so much?


I had this dream once that I married a Jewish guy that I dated for a while. He wasn't awful but he'd definitely would have wanted to raise our children in the Jewish faith. I married someone else a Christian man and we've been married for 17 years.

Dreams are dreams sometimes not all are from God.
 
P.S. Just out of curiosity, is this one of the "Cam Girls" you mentioned in your other thread?

I'm just wondering if you talked to those girls, somehow knew they weren't from God, and now have met someone else you really do believe is from God? It just seems awfully soon after going through talking to so many girls...

Or, may I ask, is she one of the girls who insisted on dancing around on camera, as you told us about before?

I'm not criticizing. Believe me, I've known plenty of people who said, "I just know this person is the one God has for me", (including myself.)

But... they were wrong. (And I was, too.)

I just hate to see a nice guy get hurt by falling for the wrong girl... while mistakenly believing he is following the will of God.

No its not a cam girl lol. I talk to them long enough to figure out if there a can girl and that's it. I don't want to pay for nudes.

I didn't think people would get so hung up on the from God thing. Its not like I had a weird dream and misinterpreted it to be from God. It was genuine. I don't know, maybe God knows best.
 
No its not a cam girl lol. I talk to them long enough to figure out if there a can girl and that's it. I don't want to pay for nudes.

I didn't think people would get so hung up on the from God thing. Its not like I had a weird dream and misinterpreted it to be from God. It was genuine. I don't know, maybe God knows best.

Determining the source of what you're basing your thoughts and actions on is the foundation of the very question you were asking in the first place.

It's kind of like if you've been given a garden, but you don't know which plants are weeds and which plants are valuable.

If you can ask others and learn enough to know which are which, you'll know which plants can be pulled out and forgotten, and which ones you'll need to make sacrifices for in terms of nurturing and caring for them.

But if your original thought ("This woman is from God, therefore, I must be with her, even though it's going to cause me a whole heap of trouble") isn't even God's will for your life, all you have to do is uproot the thought and move on. No need to waste anymore stress or energy on asking God to "let this cup pass" from you.

"Getting hung up on the from God thing" is simply the most logical, and practical, step.

As for the "cam girls" you mentioned in your other thread, I had wondered if you met the woman you're talking about in this thread while meeting these girls who insisted on dancing on camera... or if this woman was someone else and maybe, since you were asking God to "let this cup pass", you were trying to avoid her altogether by looking for someone else.