Lights and Stars what’s the difference

[JamOn]

You can look them up online. One is known as Airy's failure, the other Michelson-Morley.

The link below is to a geocentrist's (Malcolm Bowden) explanation of Airy's experiment.

I’ve read up on what this whole clip is basically about, 1700 Bradley experiment which was on how fast light is not on rather the earth is spinning that video above completely misuses the experiment for the no earth spinning hoax is plainly debunked

In 1728, English physicist James Bradley based his calculations on the change in the apparent position of the stars due Earth's travels around the sun. He put the speed of light at 185,000 miles per second which is now better understood and is a lot lot faster. what that man in the video used was this of what Bradley was doing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberration_(astronomy)

 

[Moses_Young]

I’ve read up on what this whole clip is basically about, 1700 Bradley experiment which was on how fast light is not on rather the earth is spinning that video above completely misuses the experiment for the no earth spinning hoax is plainly debunked

In 1728, English physicist James Bradley based his calculations on the change in the apparent position of the stars due Earth's travels around the sun. He put the speed of light at 185,000 miles per second which is now known the a lot lot faster. what that man in the video used was this of what Bradley was doing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberration_(astronomy)

Using the experiment to prove that it is the stars moving, rather than the Earth, is a valid interpretation. Only if one imagines there is no ether (Einstein's relativity and special relativity theories) can the subsequent Michelson-Morley experiment continue the heliocentric theory. Note that Einstein's theories also rely on the unproven Lorentz contraction hypothesis, a belief that during an experiment, the apparatus somehow changes shape, to justify why the plain interpretation of the experimental results that the Earth is not moving, is somehow wrong.

When you keep having to create new theories about why your old theories didn't predict the experimental outcomes, I say throw away the old theories.

 

[JamOn]

And the anther

Using the experiment to prove that it is the stars moving, rather than the Earth, is a valid interpretation. Only if one imagines there is no ether (Einstein's relativity and special relativity theories) can the subsequent Michelson-Morley experiment continue the heliocentric theory. Note that Einstein's theories also rely on the unproven Lorentz contraction hypothesis, a belief that during an experiment, the apparatus somehow changes shape, to justify why the plain interpretation of the experimental results that the Earth is not moving, is somehow wrong.

When you keep having to create new theories about why your old theories didn't predict the experimental outcomes, I say throw away the old theories.

The aether drag hypothesis has long been debunked.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_drag_hypothesis

 

[Moses_Young]

And the anther


The aether drag hypothesis has long been debunked.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_drag_hypothesis

I don't believe debunked means what you think it means. As stated, to invent another unproven hypothesis to prop up an old theory is not a debunking. Even moreso when this is done several times.

Einstein wrote, "If the Michelson–Morley experiment had not brought us into serious embarrassment, no one would have regarded the relativity theory as a (halfway) redemption."

 

[JamOn]

I don't believe debunked means what you think it means. As stated, to invent another unproven hypothesis to prop up an old theory is not a debunking. Even moreso when this is done several times.

Einstein wrote, "If the Michelson–Morley experiment had not brought us into serious embarrassment, no one would have regarded the relativity theory as a (halfway) redemption."

Albert didn’t use any of the aether drag hypothesis he knew it was bogus

here’s a end statement

However, frame-dragging as predicted by general relativity, in which rotating masses distort the spacetime metric, causing a precession of the orbit of nearby particles, does exist. But this effect is orders of magnitude weaker than any "aether drag" discussed in this article.

 

[garee]

God placed lights in the firmament also two lights the greater and the lesser,

then what are stars also are they not lights or something else?

1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Different light represents different glories. While the Sun represent the source (As God) and the moon represents the reflected the lamb they make up the two glories of God as one.. Stars represent those who believe the gospel

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. Revelation 21

Believers as shinning stars come into the whole .

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. Revelation 21;26

 

[Dino246]

Different light represents different glories. While the Sun represent the source (As God) and the moon represents the reflected the lamb they make up the two glories of God as one.. Stars represent those who believe the gospel

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. Revelation 21

Believers as shinning stars come into the whole .

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. Revelation 21;26

The different lights don't represent different degrees of glory; rather, they have different degrees of glory. Stars are literal stars, except where they represent rulers or leaders, as in Joseph's dreams or in the apocalyptic prophecies.

 

[dodgingstones]

Stars are made up of elements and they are actually the furnace where elements are produced. After the Big bang there was mostly helium & hydrogen with traces of lithium and beryllium. All the other elements were formed in a star. Different elements burn at a different color. So they can use a spectrograph to determine what elements are in stars. Light travels at roughly the speed of light so it takes time to get to the earth. The light from the sun takes 8 minutes and 20 seconds to get to the earth. Sunlight is a portion of the electromagnetic radiation given off by the Sun, in particular infrared, visible, and ultraviolet light. On Earth, sunlight is filtered through Earth's atmosphere, and is obvious as daylight when the Sun is above the horizon. Neil Degrass Tyson has a book about this that tells us more then anyone would want to know. People question if what he says is true or not, but it is still very interesting.

Big bang? Seriously? And here I thought God created it all.

 

[dodgingstones]

There are many who believe the Earth is not spinning, and experiments conducted to date have indicated that it is the stars moving, not the Earth. If this is true, the sun, moon and stars are a lot closer than science falsely called would have you believe.

Conspiracy Theroy?

Or a flat earth intro?

 

[Moses_Young]

Conspiracy Theroy?

Or a flat earth intro?

Its actually science (trigonometry, and the restraint to invoke unproven hypotheses), but certainly, the Flat Earth theory does depend on such science. A stationary Earth is consistent with scripture, whether you believe Earth's shape to be flat or spherical. The Heliocentric theory depends on a moving Earth, which has never been scientifically demonstrated. The science conducted thus far indicates Earth is actually stationary.

 

[dodgingstones]

Dont buy that Scripture supports a stationary eatth. The idea itself is laughable, given just a hint of common sense.

 

[Moses_Young]

Dont buy that Scripture supports a stationary eatth. The idea itself is laughable, given just a hint of common sense.

Common sense, or arrogance? My opinion is that it is the latter convinces people to believe Earth is moving against all evidence to the contrary. Read The Emperor's New Clothes. Its not just a story for children.

 

[dodgingstones]

Arrogance is to deny that the Earth rotates both on it's axis and around the sun as does the other planets in our system.

Conspiracy Theory Forum is where all this belongs.

 

[JaumeJ]

Human knowledge has calculated by th positions of te stars, galaxies, the moon and the sun by their relation to one another the movements of allmost al heavenly bodies including this planetary system...for what that is worth.

Even I was able to calculate the movemnt of the moon in relationship to th earth and it was confirmed by an Astrophysisist with the encouraging congratulatory comentary the my observation was correct and comentable for a nonscientist.

Go up on a mountain, the higher the better, perhaps the Rockies. Go to the eastern slope and look out at the plains on a clear day. You can see the curvature of the earth and the horizon. The mere fact there is a horizon tells you it turns down. If you are licky with good enough sight you may be able to see the top or top of a prominent landmar or landmarks sticking up partially intoview while their bases are below the horizon.

Finally, what are the Astronauts and teh satellites orbiting if it is not the orb of the earth?

Please............so not say the shapes and directions of planetary and sstellar bodies are not founded witha load of new age gobbledygook tha t cannot be confirmed........Yes the tree falling in the woods does make a sound.........….you say it does not...….lololololol. My first lol in here I believe.

 

[Moses_Young]

Human knowledge has calculated by th positions of te stars, galaxies, the moon and the sun by their relation to one another the movements of allmost al heavenly bodies including this planetary system...for what that is worth.
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The calculation for distances to the stars assumes the distance between Earth and the sun. This distance is substantially smaller if the Earth is not moving, and thereby, the distances "human knowledge" calculates the positions of the stars, galaxies etc. will be substantially reduced. So the stars will be closer.

That the Earth orbits the sun has never been proven scientifically, and all endeavours to do so have done more to affirm that it is indeed the Earth which is fixed in place.

 

[JaumeJ]

Response is cherry picked.

 

[Moses_Young]

Response is cherry picked.

I responded to all points that were pertinent to this thread. The other items seemed to deal with shape of the Earth, which is not under discussion here.

 

[dodgingstones]

To each his own I suppose...

Personally, I find it laughable, so I can't take this serious. And, it has little to do with the subject of the thread.

 

[JamOn]

I responded to all points that were pertinent to this thread. The other items seemed to deal with shape of the Earth, which is not under discussion here.

I agree with other posters the OP isn’t about rather the earth is spinning I entertained it for a sec or two but yea the thread isn’t really about a spinning earth but of the lights/stars in the universe.

 

[garee]

The different lights don't represent different degrees of glory; rather, they have different degrees of glory. Stars are literal stars, except where they represent rulers or leaders, as in Joseph's dreams or in the apocalyptic prophecies.

Or when pertaining to all believers the innumerable.

Hebrews 11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

In the new order the reflected glory of stars will be a honor for the new creature. Glory, Glory ,Glory

And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. Revelation 21: 24

The 12 stars, 12 a number used to represent the authority of God as a whole. It represents the bride of Christ, the whole church. the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.