Man imputed Jesus with sin on the cross, not God.

[Cameron143]

Not subject in God's eyes. Because the God I see described in scripture is not vindictive, not demanding bloody sacrifice and that sinners suffer for their sins against Him, but His mercy triumphs over judgment. As David understood Him to be.

Psa 51:16
For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
Psa 51:17
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Who do you believe required bloody sacrifice in the first place? Wasn't it God who set up the sacrificial system? Did God not kill animals and shed blood to provide a covering for Adam and Eve? Did God not cut an animal in pieces to secure a covenant with Abraham? Have you not read Hebrews 9:22...without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins.

 

[ATG]

The Bible tells us that we are "justified by His blood" (e.g. Romans 5:8-10 cf Hebrews 9:22, 10:4),

Correct. We are now justified by His blood shed on a cross.

Rom 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Heb 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

No man was justified by His blood at the cross, by unlawfully shedding it.

1Pe 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

The sprinkling and washing of Jesus' blood upon any soul, is not bodily from the cross, but only by the Spirit through His resurrection from the dead.

It is the Spirit's blood and life of resurrection, that can now be shed and sprinkled upon any man, that repents for Jesus' sake.

And also by obedience do we drink His blood to have the Spirit's life in us:

Jhn 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

Jhn 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The blood of the flesh is naturally shed at the cross. The blood of the Spirit is spiritually sprinkled at repentance.

Rom 4:25
Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

1Pe 1:18
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

In a similar manner, the Lord Jesus chose to be covered by/condemned for our sins,

Not by God, but only unustly by men.

Isa 53:3
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Jesus chose to obey the Father and submitted to the condemnation of men, who covered Him with His own blood by stripes, affliction, and smiting.

and for a brief moment in time, He was made sin for us (not a sinner),

Already responded to this part, where men falsely made Him a sin and curse on a tree, because he submitted to them meekly by will of the Father.

As Commander of the Son, the Father therefore made Him to be imputed a sinner by unbelief and false accusation.

and died because

Because His body was beaten and crucified to death.

He was (however, as the Scriptures make clear for us, the grave could not hold Him, because He, Himself, was never guilty of sinning).

Self contradiction of false tradition: First wrongly saying He was condemned for our sins, and then rightly saying he was never guilty of sinning.

Acts 2​

22 Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know— ​

23 this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death. ​

24 But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power. ​

He rose again to be declared Son of God by the Spirit, because He was not blaspheming God, when calling Himself the Son equal to God.

~Deuteronomy

2 Corinthians 5​

21 ~God~ made Him who knew no sin ~to be sin~ on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. ​

He was made to be sin before men by unbelief in Him, that we might become righteousness of God by faith in Him.

 

[ATG]

@ATG, if Jesus is NOT the spotless Lamb of God (1 Peter 1:17-21) who was crucified and then died to atone for our sins and redeem us from them (so that our sins could be forgiven and we could be saved), in what (other) way, then, do you believe that our sins can be atoned for

I wouldn't know. If anyone is saying Jesus is NOT the spotless Lamb of God, then you can ASK them.

who was crucified and then died to atone for our sins and redeem us from them (so that our sins could be forgiven and we could be saved),

Now, if all He did was die on a cross by hands of men, then He would only be another righteous man wrongly executed by false accusation.

Only with His resurrection from the dead is Jesus Christ the spotless Lamb of God forgiving and atoning and saving us from sinning, that repent from our sins and trespasses against Him:

Rom 4:25
Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Rom 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

The atonement of sacrifice is not made by killing the lamb alone, but also by sprinkling the blood upon the people.

Heb 9:18
Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood, For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people. Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

Only by resurrection from the dead can the spotless Lamb of God sprinkle us with the blood of His eternal Spirit, to atone for our sinning against Him at the cross.

1Pe 1:18
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

1Pe 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Thanks

~Deuteronomy
p.s. - our sins are imputed or reckoned or credited to the Lord Jesus's account by God, in the same way that God imputes, reckons or credits the Lord Jesus' righteousness, the righteousness of God, that is, to our accounts.

And so, we see how rejecting the prophecy of Scripture of who imputed Jesus with sin and guilt, leads to the false tradition and lie of men against God, that the Father imputed His only begotten Son with sin on the cross.

Isa 53:34
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Despised and rejected of men, not of God. Faces of men hid from Him, not God. Esteemed guilty of sin and smitten of God by men, not God.

And as elsewhere, such false tradition also ends in self-contradiction: If God imputing with sin, does not make anyone a sinner, then God imputing with righteousness, does not make anyone righteous.

If God imputing with sin, does not make anyone a sinner, and imputing with righteousness, does not make anyone righteous, then imputation of God is made of none effect upon anyone on earth.

Jesus was never a sinner but, for a brief moment in time, He stood in our place ~as one~ (on the Cross) FOR us,

Already corrected enough times.

according to His Father's predetermined plan and will, to redeem us and finally make forgiveness and salvation a reality for us!

Finally by His resurrection from the dead at the right hand of God, not by His death alone at the cross.

 

[ATG]

Whoops, I also meant to say (in my last post above) that "we" cannot impute or credit Jesus' account with our sins any more than "we" can impute or credit our own accounts with Jesus' righteousness, only God can do that!

The Scripture says otherwise.

Isa 53:3
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

We can wrongly impute sin to another, which does not make them imputed with sin by God. We can also wrongly impute righteousness to another, which does not make them imputed with righteousness by God.

1Sa 22:15
Did I then begin to enquire of God for him? be it far from me: let not the king impute any thing unto his servant, nor to all the house of my father: for thy servant knew nothing of all this, less or more.

2Sa 19:19
And said unto the king, Let not my lord impute iniquity unto me, neither do thou remember that which thy servant did perversely the day that my lord the king went out of Jerusalem, that the king should take it to his heart.

To impute is to reckon someone to be righteous or sinful, so that they are made innocent or guilty before men, not necessarily before God.

And God does not impute sin without it making us a sinner, but imputes righteousness with it making us righteous...

 

[ATG]

You are making an interesting argument, but as it stands you fail.

If you want to choose one point made, and show how it fails to properly argue the Scripture quoted, then I'd be glad to see it.

If you truly wish to make this argument, then you need to stress different passages

6 quoted Scriptures in the first argument should be sufficient.

and also, very likely, present a different concept of sin to enable your argument to make sense.

Show how I argue a different concept of sin from the Scriptures and argument given. Thanks.

I do show plainly by quoted prophecy of Scripture how the concept of God imputing Jesus with sin is wrong.

But, sin remains sinning against God. Jesus did not sin against God nor man, and so God cannot impute Him with sin.

But to change the concept of sin involves changing many other concepts also. It really would not be an easy or fast project.

The project begins with you showing how the argument changes the definition of sin. Sin is against God and man. Simple.

You can alsobegin the project of how any Scripture quoted is wrongly argued by me. It should be easy enough. Thanks.

Perhaops you're just projecting these things to me? As imputing me with a failed argument and changing definition of sin?

 

[rewriter]

If you want to choose one point made, and show how it fails to properly argue the Scripture quoted, then I'd be glad to see it.


6 quoted Scriptures in the first argument should be sufficient.



Show how I argue a different concept of sin from the Scriptures and argument given. Thanks.

I do show plainly by quoted prophecy of Scripture how the concept of God imputing Jesus with sin is wrong.

But, sin remains sinning against God. Jesus did not sin against God nor man, and so God cannot impute Him with sin.



The project begins with you showing how the argument changes the definition of sin. Sin is against God and man. Simple.

You can alsobegin the project of how any Scripture quoted is wrongly argued by me. It should be easy enough. Thanks.

Perhaops you're just projecting these things to me? As imputing me with a failed argument and changing definition of sin?

You have cited several scriptures, it is true, but have you reconciled them with what can be learned from Psalm 23? I highly doubt it as very few people have learned enough to recognize just how important that psalm is to theology.

Now making its importance clear to someone who does not see it takes a lot of time, not a single post here, nor even ten. Rather it requires unlearning a lot and then relearning from a different point of view. But you are correct that sin involves both God and other humans, but the question becomes, how does it involve them? Genesis gives hints but we humans tend to ignore them, just as we ignore the insights available form Psalm 23 and Romans 1:25. What these passages say is simply too upsetting for most people and thus avoided.

 

[Suze]

Im going to b very controversial now so , brace yourself ! Luke 8 , Matthew 9 , Mark 5 .
We all know that , it is impossible IMPOSSIBLE , for God to lie. What is a lie ? Just an untruth. I'm guessing we've all done it , even if we haven't done it for a long time , we did it at some point . Is lying a sin ? Most would say yes . What about white lies ? Lies to protect someone ? Yes , I really like your new jacket . U suit that beard . No , she didn't say that etc . In the UK we call these ' fibs ' , little white lies that , seemingly , don't hurt anyone , in fact they grease a the wheels of our society , some people call in being pragmatic or , diplomatic . But , aren't they still just actual lies ?
So , as we read the Gospels we c that many times , after a miracle of healing , Jesus will say to the healed ' don't go around telling everyone , keep this to yourself ' etc , words to that effect , a couple of times he tells people not to call him ' the Son of God , the Saviour ' etc . We might wonder why . I believe that he was very concerned about these people and their safety , remember what the Jews wanted to do to Lazarus ?
Cut to Jairus daughter . Was she dead ? Did Jesus resurrect her from the dead ? Yes ? I believe so . Do u ? So , why , in each of the 3 accounts , does it state that Jesus says that she's not dead , she's asleep ? Was she just asleep ? If she was asleep then Jesus didn't resurrect her . If she was dead then Jesus did resurrect her , but he fibbed . Yes , it's a shocking thought ! I was stunned when I first noticed this . It took me straight back to the O.T. when Moses made the only mistake that we know of . Then I thought about it , how gentle and kind Jesus was , how big his love was for people and , the fact that he was a human being , filled with God's Holy Spirit , literally filled to capacity but , still alive in the flesh . He was concerned for those people that he helped , he knew how vile the vast majority of the religious leaders were , murder was in their hearts and Jesus knew it . Jews who were put out of the synagogue were treat very badly , unable to make a living etc , a terrible life . So , did Jesus fib ? Try as I might I cannot come up with any answer other than ' yes ' . Looking forward to the replies to this , please don't despise me for pointing out scripture and wondering about it .

 

[rewriter]

Im going to b very controversial now so , brace yourself ! Luke 8 , Matthew 9 , Mark 5 .
We all know that , it is impossible IMPOSSIBLE , for God to lie. What is a lie ? Just an untruth. I'm guessing we've all done it , even if we haven't done it for a long time , we did it at some point . Is lying a sin ? Most would say yes . What about white lies ? Lies to protect someone ? Yes , I really like your new jacket . U suit that beard . No , she didn't say that etc . In the UK we call these ' fibs ' , little white lies that , seemingly , don't hurt anyone , in fact they grease a the wheels of our society , some people call in being pragmatic or , diplomatic . But , aren't they still just actual lies ?
So , as we read the Gospels we c that many times , after a miracle of healing , Jesus will say to the healed ' don't go around telling everyone , keep this to yourself ' etc , words to that effect , a couple of times he tells people not to call him ' the Son of God , the Saviour ' etc . We might wonder why . I believe that he was very concerned about these people and their safety , remember what the Jews wanted to do to Lazarus ?
Cut to Jairus daughter . Was she dead ? Did Jesus resurrect her from the dead ? Yes ? I believe so . Do u ? So , why , in each of the 3 accounts , does it state that Jesus says that she's not dead , she's asleep ? Was she just asleep ? If she was asleep then Jesus didn't resurrect her . If she was dead then Jesus did resurrect her , but he fibbed . Yes , it's a shocking thought ! I was stunned when I first noticed this . It took me straight back to the O.T. when Moses made the only mistake that we know of . Then I thought about it , how gentle and kind Jesus was , how big his love was for people and , the fact that he was a human being , filled with God's Holy Spirit , literally filled to capacity but , still alive in the flesh . He was concerned for those people that he helped , he knew how vile the vast majority of the religious leaders were , murder was in their hearts and Jesus knew it . Jews who were put out of the synagogue were treat very badly , unable to make a living etc , a terrible life . So , did Jesus fib ? Try as I might I cannot come up with any answer other than ' yes ' . Looking forward to the replies to this , please don't despise me for pointing out scripture and wondering about it .

The problem becomes understanding just what Jesus, and Paul in places, means when they refer to people who appear to have physically died, being "asleep". Do they refer to sleeping in the same sense that we use it in the physical realm or are they using it as the best term available to them to describe a spiritual reality. Remember, we have no terminology to describe things that belong totally to the spiritual realm as we have no adequate knowledge in our co0llective memories which dictate our language and how we describe things. Mystics wound weird because they are attempting to describe something most people never experience, but other mystics, who have had similar experiences, can agree.

 

[ATG]

You have cited several scriptures, it is true, but have you reconciled them with what can be learned from Psalm 23?

Since you don't offer any corrections to the arguments I give for the Scriptures quoted. Then the argument stands uncorrected as it is.
Not that there's any correction anyone can make of simply acknowledging that Is 53 says it's men that impute Jesus with sin on the cross, not God.

And so, with that in mind we can move on to how it applies to other Scriptures. So far as Ps 23, the only thing that I see can apply is vs 2:

Psa 23:2
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

How does God make the Psalmist lie down in green pastures? By leading and commanding him to. And so, God likewise made Jesus hang on a cross, by leadiing and commanding Him to submit into the hands of wicked men.

And so, it's not God smiting the Son, but only men who wrongly esteemed Him smitten of God, as by law against blasphemy.

Isa 53:3
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

God did not strike, afflict, nor smite His own Son by law, by making Him to lie down before His accusers. Rather it was the men that struck, afflicted, and smote the Son by abuse of the law.

But you are correct that sin involves both God and other humans, but the question becomes, how does it involve them?

if men commit sin against God, God judges us guilty of sin and death toward His Spirit of life: spiritual death of the soul by committing transgression against God.

Gen 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Eze 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Genesis gives hints but we humans tend to ignore them, just as we ignore the insights available form Psalm 23 and Romans 1:25.

Maybe you have Ps 23 mixed up with some other passage, in order to apply it to the argument at hand.

Rom 1:24
Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

This could apply to the false accusation against Jesus. Them at the cross changed the truth of God, that Jesus is the Son of God, into a lie, that He blasphemed God by calling Himself the Son of God.

And though they crucified Him for it, it did not change the truth of God, that Jesus is the Son of God. And by resurrection from the dead, proved Jesus is the Son of God with power:

Romans{1:3}
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

 

[ATG]

@ATG, if Jesus is NOT the spotless Lamb of God (1 Peter 1:17-21) who was crucified and then died to atone for our sins and redeem us from them (so that our sins could be forgiven and we could be saved), in what (other) way, then, do you believe that our sins can be atoned for

The only ones not believing Jesus was the spotless Lamb of God on the cross, are those that impute Him with sin by God, and smitten of God by law.

They agree with the false accusers, that He was guilty of death.

Mar 14:64
Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

1Co 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed:
Jesus was not accursed of God, but only cursed by men that hated Him unto death.

Jhn 15:24
They hated me without a cause.

 

[rewriter]

Since you don't offer any corrections to the arguments I give for the Scriptures quoted. Then the argument stands uncorrected as it is.
Not that there's any correction anyone can make of simply acknowledging that Is 53 says it's men that impute Jesus with sin on the cross, not God.

And so, with that in mind we can move on to how it applies to other Scriptures. So far as Ps 23, the only thing that I see can apply is vs 2:

Psa 23:2
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

How does God make the Psalmist lie down in green pastures? By leading and commanding him to. And so, God likewise made Jesus hang on a cross, by leadiing and commanding Him to submit into the hands of wicked men.

And so, it's not God smiting the Son, but only men who wrongly esteemed Him smitten of God, as by law against blasphemy.

Isa 53:3
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

God did not strike, afflict, nor smite His own Son by law, by making Him to lie down before His accusers. Rather it was the men that struck, afflicted, and smote the Son by abuse of the law.

if men commit sin against God, God judges us guilty of sin and death toward His Spirit of life: spiritual death of the soul by committing transgression against God.

Gen 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Eze 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die.



Maybe you have Ps 23 mixed up with some other passage, in order to apply it to the argument at hand.

Rom 1:24
Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

This could apply to the false accusation against Jesus. Them at the cross changed the truth of God, that Jesus is the Son of God, into a lie, that He blasphemed God by calling Himself the Son of God.

And though they crucified Him for it, it did not change the truth of God, that Jesus is the Son of God. And by resurrection from the dead, proved Jesus is the Son of God with power:

Romans{1:3}
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Humanity was not created for the benefit of the law, rather the law was established for the benefit of humanity. Once one has that firmly in mind they can make progress. God's law was established for the benefit of humans, not for any benefit to God, even in the garden. I will thus again go to a stock comparison that I like. A father and a toddler are in a yard, and the toddler sees bees flying in and out of a hole in the ground. The father sternly warns the toddler not to stick their finger in the hole. Now if the toddler does, they have clearly violated the commandment of the father, but the bees will be the ones to exact punishment. The father is free to try to relieve, as best possible, the injury inflicted by the disobedience, just as God did in the aftermath of Adam and Eve eating the fruit. But that does not mean that the consequences are gone, but merely that God is not directly responsible for the consequences and is free to take whatever measure are necessary to resolve the problem, from fairly mild to very severe. That the problem required very severe actions is unfortunate.

 

[ATG]

Since there is no correction to the argument given for the Scriptures quoted, then we can look at other Scriptures with the same truth:

God did not accuse, impute, condemn, curse, nor smite Jesus unto death on a cross. Not by will nor law of God. Only by unbelieving men falsely abusing the law of God.

"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.” Galatians 3:13

Gal 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Jesus was unujustly made a curse by men, not by God. God made Him to submit to men, who would make Him a curse worthy of death on a tree.

Mar 14:64
Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

Jesus willingly allowed Himself to be made a curse by unjust men, for us to see in His own body the evil of all sinning against Christ on earth.

1 Peter 2:23
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree,

Rom 7:13
Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

The good and righteous spotless Lamb of God was unjustly made a curse unto all at the cross, for us to see how exceeding sinful our own sinning is, and not just that of the wicked hands that slew Him.

Jesus was slain on a cross for us to repent of our own sins and trespasses against Him.

Psa 51:3
For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me. Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
Psa 119:11
Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

 

[ATG]

"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.” Galatians 3:13

Deu 21:22
And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God).

If a man is guilty of sin worthy of death, he is accursed of God by law. If a man is not guilty of sin worthy of death, he is not accursed of God, but of men by abuse of law.

Gal 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

And so cursed is everyone hanging on a tree, whether lawfully by of God, or unlawfully by men: Jesus was not guilty of the sin of blasphemy and worthy of death.

Mar 14:64
Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

He was unujustly made a curse by men, not of God.

 

[ATG]

Jesus poured out His soul to death, Isaiah 53:12

Isa 53:12
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death:

He is appointed heir of all things, because He obeyed God in submission to sinful men. He offered Himself the Lamb of God for sin, and He obeyed God unto death:

Lev 4:30
And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar.

Isaiah{50:5}
The Lord GOD hath opened mine ear, and I was not rebellious, neither turned away back. I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.

Wicked men shed His innocent blood unto death, not God. God commanded His Son to submit to wicked men as a lamb without spot:

Isa 53:7
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

By His silence in obedience to the Father, they esteemed Him guilty of death and smitten of God as by law. None believed He was the Son of God hanging on a cross, because of His perfect obedience to God in submission to the will of unjust men.

Isa 53:34
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

 

[ATG]

Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush Him and to cause Him to suffer; and when His soul is made a guilt offering......... Isaiah 53:10

Jesus was not guilty of sin on the cross, but was false accused guilty of death.

The LORD did not crucify Him on a cross, and cause Him to suffer, but His false accusers slew Him.

Jesus was obedient to the Father, whose will was to submit to His accusers. His hour for which He came, had come.

Isa 53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

The LORD commanded Him to submit to His accusers, who bruised Him on His back, and on a tree.

By command, it was the Father's will to make Him submit as a lamb for slaughter, but it was not the Father that unjustly slaughtered His Lamb.

The good Commander is responsible for the good soldier's death at the hands of the enemy, but is not the one killing His own soldier.

What unjust men intended for evil, it was the Lord's will to submit for the good: To die for our sins, that He may rise for our justification.

Gen 50:20
But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

Rom 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

The Son of man was unjustly slain by all men that sin on earth, and shed His innocent blood by our own sins and trespasses against Him. But what we intend for the evil by transgression, God makes for the good by Jesus' resurrection from the dead.

Not to justify any man's sin, but to save from sin by repentance.

 

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"He was delivered up by God’s set plan and foreknowledge, and you, by the hands of the lawless, put Him to death by nailing Him to the cross." Acts 2:2

It was God's will for His Son to submit to sinners, and by commandment made Him to submit unto death.

Both God and the Son foreknew they would wrongly impute Him with sin and unlawfully curse Him as worthy of death.

That by His death, burial, and resurrection unto life, any man can repent of shedding His innocent blood by our own sinning against Him:

Acts 2:37
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?...Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Rom 7:13
Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

The good Son and Lamb of God was made a curse unto men that sin, that by sin appearing on His own body, should become execeeding sinful to us, when we all are commanded to repent of sinning against Jesus Christ, the Son and Lamb of God.

 

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"God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God." 2 Corinthians 5:21

God made Him to be sin for us to see sin committed His own body, so that all our own sinning should become execeeding sinful to repent of.

By commanded repentance of His resurrection, we become His righteousness and sin not against Him.

You fall for the trap of selective interpretation of scripture. Sin was not only imputed to Christ. He was made sin for us.

You fall into the trap of continued false interpretation of Scripture, by neglecting the prophecy, that only men impute Jesus with sin, and esteem Him smitten of God.

Isa 53:34
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

God does not impute sin to Him that has not sinned. He that has no sin, has no sin imputed to Him by God.

Only unjust men can impute the righteous with sin, and esteem the righteous smitten of God as by law.

Mar 14:64
Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.

And since you've seen the prophecy and argument, that only men impute Jesus was sin, and not God, then your neglect is knowing rejection.

Therefore, you continue to falsely interpret prophecy of Scripture, that you may continue to believe and teach false tradition of some Christians.

 

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You do not realise that Lord Jesus died as man, not as God.

Correct. Jesus was God in the flesh. His body died by unlawful men sinning against Him. His soul did not die by sin imputed to Him by God.

Only Jesus' body died on the cross, not His soul.

God did not die on the cross, because the Son's soul had no sin. Only the soul that sins, dies by sinning against God and man.

Lord Jesus had a human soul.

Jesus Christ was God in the flesh. God's soul is not human. The flesh He came in was that of man, but His soul is uncreated from everlasting:

Hebrews{13:8}
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Psa 16:10
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

The Son of God died in the flesh, not in the spirit. His sould did not rise from the dead, but only His body rose again by the everlasting power of His own righteous soul:

Romans{1:3}
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Lord Jesus was the "Last Adam", not some kind of spirit being pretending to be human.

Correct. Jesus Christ was God in the flesh of man, not a created soul of man.

Jhn 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus Christ is only begotten of God, not created by God as all men and women are in God's image.

 

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Once again, we have no attempted correction of the argument given for the Scripture quoted. Which confirms it's own truth.

If you do not want to accept Jesus' death on the cross as reconciliation for your iniquities, then nobody will force you to.
You will have to pay the price yourself for your own iniquities.

No, I don't accept any sinful man is reconciled to God by wickedly killing His son on a cross.

If you do not want to accept Jesus' death on the cross as guilt for your own iniquities, then nobody will force you to repent.
You pay the price yourself for your own iniquities, the same as all souls that sin against Christ.

All men that sin against Christ, are guilty by law of shedding His innocent blood on the cross.

Any man that says he is not guilty of Jesus' death on a cross, is saying he has not sinned against Christ, or his sin is not as guilty as them that sinfully crucified Him.

Mat 23:29
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

Decorating the cross with false tradition for our own justification, is proof of being children of them, that falsely accused and crucified Him for their own righteousness.

 

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If you do not want to accept Jesus' death on the cross as reconciliation for your iniquities, then nobody will force you to.
You will have to pay the price yourself for your own iniquities.

If Jesus Christ was imputed with all men's sins to pay the price for all men's sins, then nobody needs to accept it, because it's already done by God and Jesus Christ alone.

By the death of Jesus Christ alone, no man pays any price for inquity any more.

If Jesus Christ was wrongly imputed with sin, and unjustly crucified on the cross, then all men that sin must accept our guilt in His unjust death.

But nobody is forced to repent, and not pay the price for sin by His resurrection from the dead.

Acts 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Rom 4:25
Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Rom 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.