Masturbation

[tourist]

What about in marriage between husband and wife is this too a sin?

I don't believe that it is. It certainly is not expressly forbidden in the bible.

 

[JackH]

Well if the Bible tells you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart, then how unclean is masturbation?

Personally, I believe that verse is referring to lusting after a married woman. And the lusting requires an overt action beyond fantasizing about.

So you tell us, how unclean is masturbation.

And beyond that, what is your scriptural evidence?

 

[JesusLives]

What I would really like to know is if someone wanted real answers on this matter without all the blame and shame. Is there a book written by a good authority where one might find Biblical answers to these kinds of question? Who does one ask when they want real answers without being condemned to hell?

 

[maxwel]

Youth and children both sexes engage in moral pollution (masturbation) and practice this disgusting, soul-and-body-destroying vice.

Many professed Christians are so benumbed by the same practice that their moral sensibilities cannot be aroused to understand that it is sin, that if continued its sure results will be utter shipwreck of body and mind. Man, the noblest being upon the earth, formed in the image of God, transforms himself into a beast! He makes himself gross and corrupt.

Every Christian will have to learn to restrain his passions and be controlled by principle. Unless he does this, he is unworthy of the Christian name.

Some who make high profession do not understand the sin of self-abuse and its sure results. Long-established habit has blinded their understanding. They do not realize the exceeding sinfulness of this degrading sin, which is enervating the system and destroying their brain nerve power.

Moral principle is exceedingly weak when it conflicts with established habit. Solemn messages from heaven cannot forcibly impress the heart that not fortified against the indulgence of this degrading vice. The sensitive nerves of the brain have lost their healthy tone by morbid excitation to gratify an unnatural desire for sensual indulgence. The brain nerves which communicate with the entire system are the only medium through which Heaven can communicate to man and affect his inmost life.

Whatever disturbs the circulation of the electric currents in the nervous system lessens the strength of the vital powers, and the result is a deadening of the sensibilities of the mind.

This entire post is directly plagiarized from a book by Ellen G. White called "Mind, Character, and Personality."

Ellen G. White is a famous false prophet, and was an early leader of the Seventh Day Adventists.



RemembertheSabbathday,

It is extremely deceptive, and dishonest, to be quoting a controversial figure without attributions, giving everyone the impression you just said these things yourself.

If you are ashamed to admit your quotes come from Ellen G. White, then you shouldn't be quoting her.

Note: any time you aren't giving proper attributions, and pretend to be saying the words of someone else... that's called plagiarism.

 

[ember]

And so, How can someone stop this act that most of the majority does on their spare time?

who's keeping tabs?

Most of the majority? Like what is this, double jeopardy?

I would not normally respond on a thread like this, but the rhetoric is over the top

Take up knitting and keep those hands busy

 

[breno785au]

This entire post is directly plagiarized from a book by Ellen G. White called "Mind, Character, and Personality."

Ellen G. White is a famous false prophet, and was an early leader of the Seventh Day Adventists.



RemembertheSabbathday,

It is extremely deceptive, and dishonest, to be quoting a controversial figure without attributions, giving everyone the impression you just said these things yourself.

If you are ashamed to admit your quotes come from Ellen G. White, then you shouldn't be quoting her.

Note: any time you aren't giving proper attributions, and pretend to be saying the words of someone else... that's called plagiarism.

Thanks for that mate, didn't realise the OP had done.

 

[Deluge]

You make a valid point, however a single person has more time and energy to give to God than a married person, thus it can be said that such a person actually gives more of their life to Christ than a married person. And since a sin is a sin is a sin, what difference is masturbation compared to a sin that any ole' married person commits?

I think this is a consequentialist look at morality, whereas I believe the Bible teaches quite differently. Consider what Jesus says here,

"Many rich people put in large sums. And a poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which make a penny. And he called his disciples to him and said to them, “Truly, I say to you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the offering box. For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on." - Mark 12:41-44

It's not about the results of ones actions. The women here is not judged by the quantity which she gives, but by the strength it took to give. As a side note, married people may not be able to serve the Church as much, but by raising a Godly family they serve God in an equally important way.

Indeed, masturbation is no different from any old sin that a married person commits, but if a married man said, "I have given my entire life to Christ, but occasionally I lie to my wife because I like to get drunk at pubs with friends from work" I would say the same thing of him; he has not given his entire life to Christ.

 

[ember]

This entire post is directly plagiarized from a book by Ellen G. White called "Mind, Character, and Personality."

That was my next question...from whence cometh this obviously copy/pasted op, which bears striking resemblance to the other copy/pasted op

 

[Willie-T]

What I would really like to know is if someone wanted real answers on this matter without all the blame and shame. Is there a book written by a good authority where one might find Biblical answers to these kinds of question? Who does one ask when they want real answers without being condemned to hell?

I can suggest two good sources (though there are many more). One costs $10 on Kindle... it's just a book. But a fantastic book: Eyes of Honor by: Jonathan Welton.

And the other is a video course that really should be taken with at least 6 other men. It is online at Conquerseries.org (I might have that a little wrong, but you can locate it.), and the DVD's (6) cost $130, and the workbooks (there are two) run about $20 each.

 

[RememberTheSabbathDay]

This entire post is directly plagiarized from a book by Ellen G. White called "Mind, Character, and Personality."

Ellen G. White is a famous false prophet, and was an early leader of the Seventh Day Adventists.



RemembertheSabbathday,

It is extremely deceptive, and dishonest, to be quoting a controversial figure without attributions, giving everyone the impression you just said these things yourself.

If you are ashamed to admit your quotes come from Ellen G. White, then you shouldn't be quoting her.

Note: any time you aren't giving proper attributions, and pretend to be saying the words of someone else... that's called plagiarism.

Inever claim them to be my words..u just assumed they were. I feel no embarrassment for posting this. As u can see how this issue has effected so many bedrooms. The lights have been turned on. If you have an issue with it..take it up with God. What we don't know can be destructive to our Christian walk. If people who read this want to take what is written here with a grain of salt..then so b it..If I had said Ellen White..it would have been denounced from the beginning...she has given good counsel here. What is injurious to you?

 

[Sirk]

Inever claim them to be my words..u just assumed they were. I feel no embarrassment for posting this. As u can see how this issue has effected so many bedrooms. The lights have been turned on. If you have an issue with it..take it up with God. What we don't know can be destructive to our Christian walk. If people who read this want to take what is written here with a grain of salt..then so b it..If I had said Ellen White..it would have been denounced from the beginning...she has given good counsel here. What is injurious to you?

A lie is a lie....whether it be commission or omission.

If maxwell hadn't pointed it out would you have revealed the truth?

 

[Willie-T]

Well, personally, it never seemed to me that those were her own words... and, it really didn't matter. No matter if they were Whites words or not, I would either agree with them, or disagree. I am sure she is correct in believing that certain closed minds would not have even read them if it had been attributed to White.

But, I am different from most of CC. I read things from people I already know I disagree with.... at least "some" of their writing, till I get tired of it.

 

[ember]

Inever claim them to be my words..u just assumed they were. I feel no embarrassment for posting this. As u can see how this issue has effected so many bedrooms. The lights have been turned on. If you have an issue with it..take it up with God. What we don't know can be destructive to our Christian walk. If people who read this want to take what is written here with a grain of salt..then so b it..If I had said Ellen White..it would have been denounced from the beginning...she has given good counsel here. What is injurious to you?

I see. So you must be one of those people who do not give any info out unless a specific question is asked.

People generally do that so that they can say this:

"Well you did not ask me if I plagerized the text, so your ignorance is to blame."

I don't think the issue has affected anyone other then causing some to take off their reading glasses. That's some big type you have going on.

If you have an issue with it..take it up with God.

I just love it when someone says that because I am immediately relieved of any concern I may have had deciding whether or not they have something to say I should pay attention to

Why should God answer for a book written by a woman in the 19th C?

 

[JackH]

Inever claim them to be my words..u just assumed they were. I feel no embarrassment for posting this. As u can see how this issue has effected so many bedrooms. The lights have been turned on. If you have an issue with it..take it up with God. What we don't know can be destructive to our Christian walk. If people who read this want to take what is written here with a grain of salt..then so b it..If I had said Ellen White..it would have been denounced from the beginning...she has given good counsel here. What is injurious to you?

Why didn't you tell us what else Ellen G. White said on the subject?

As in:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Children who practice self-indulgence (masturbation) previous to puberty, or the period of merging into manhood or womanhood, must pay the penalty of nature's violated laws at that critical period. Many sink into an early grave, while others have sufficient force of constitution to pass this ordeal. If the practice is continued from the age of fifteen and upward, nature will protest against the abuse she has suffered, and continues to suffer, and will make them pay the penalty for the transgression of her laws, especially from the ages of thirty to forty-five, by numerous pains in the system, and various diseases, such as affection of the liver and lungs, neuralgia, rheumatism, affection of the spine, diseased kidneys, and cancerous humors. Some of nature's fine machinery gives way, leaving a heavier task for the remaining to perform, which disorders nature's fine arrangement, and there is often a sudden breaking down of the constitution; and death is the result." (Solemn Appeal, 1870, p.63)."





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[Deluge]

It is extremely deceptive, and dishonest, to be quoting a controversial figure without attributions, giving everyone the impression you just said these things yourself.

If you are ashamed to admit your quotes come from Ellen G. White, then you shouldn't be quoting her.

Note: any time you aren't giving proper attributions, and pretend to be saying the words of someone else... that's called plagiarism.

Although I do think that she should have referenced the author, I don't think that it is dishonest to not do so. If she was writing a book, it would be plagiarism, and dishonest, because she would then be claiming that it was her own work. But I don't think that it is necessary to quote arguments, which is what I consider this quote to be. She is essentially putting forth an argument against masturbation, and it is either valid or it isn't, and I don't think it is important to the discussion to know where each argument comes from. The goal here is to find the truth, not to win a Nobel prize for the brilliance and originality of our thoughts.

 

[JesusLives]

Originally Posted by JesusLives What I would really like to know is if someone wanted real answers on this matter without all the blame and shame. Is there a book written by a good authority where one might find Biblical answers to these kinds of question? Who does one ask when they want real answers without being condemned to hell?

I can suggest two good sources (though there are many more). One costs $10 on Kindle... it's just a book. But a fantastic book: Eyes of Honor by: Jonathan Welton.

And the other is a video course that really should be taken with at least 6 other men. It is online at Conquerseries.org (I might have that a little wrong, but you can locate it.), and the DVD's (6) cost $130, and the workbooks (there are two) run about $20 each.

Thanks Willie you covered for the guys, but I think that some women may have this problem too so I went online and Googled a Biblical based book for women and this is what I found.

The Good Girls Guide to Great Sex written by Sheila Wray Gregiore

Looks like it can be purchased on Amazon.com for about $9.52.

 

[Deluge]

Why didn't you tell us what else Ellen G. White said on the subject?

As in:

"Children who practice self-indulgence (masturbation) previous to puberty, or the period of merging into manhood or womanhood, must pay the penalty of nature's violated laws at that critical period. Many sink into an early grave, while others have sufficient force of constitution to pass this ordeal. If the practice is continued from the age of fifteen and upward, nature will protest against the abuse she has suffered, and continues to suffer, and will make them pay the penalty for the transgression of her laws, especially from the ages of thirty to forty-five, by numerous pains in the system, and various diseases, such as affection of the liver and lungs, neuralgia, rheumatism, affection of the spine, diseased kidneys, and cancerous humors. Some of nature's fine machinery gives way, leaving a heavier task for the remaining to perform, which disorders nature's fine arrangement, and there is often a sudden breaking down of the constitution; and death is the result." (Solemn Appeal, 1870, p.63)."
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Perhaps this is why she didn't quote the author in the first place. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

If the argument that the OP put forth is invalid one should argue that it is invalid in itself, not because of where it comes from.

 

[Willie-T]

Although I do think that she should have referenced the author, I don't think that it is dishonest to not do so. If she was writing a book, it would be plagiarism, and dishonest, because she would then be claiming that it was her own work. But I don't think that it is necessary to quote arguments, which is what I consider this quote to be. She is essentially putting forth an argument against masturbation, and it is either valid or it isn't, and I don't think it is important to the discussion to know where each argument comes from. The goal here is to find the truth, not to win a Nobel prize for the brilliance and originality of our thoughts.

I think a lot of this has to do with the protesters possibly feeling over- matched by someone who has spend months or years researching a topic, and has subsequently penned something quite impressive. It's hard to go up against that when instead of trying to learn, you may just want to come out the winner in an argument.

 

[maxwel]

Perhaps this is why she didn't quote the author in the first place. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

If the argument that the OP put forth is invalid one should argue that it is invalid in itself.

Regardless of her motive,
hiding the authorship of a quote, and thereby implying you wrote it yourself, is incredibly deceptive and dishonest on many levels.

By her actions, she has pushed things far beyond issues with the original author.
By her actions she has now shown herself to be deceptive.

Starting out by engaging in deception is a poor way to start debates about morality.

 

[tourist]

Although I do think that she should have referenced the author, I don't think that it is dishonest to not do so. If she was writing a book, it would be plagiarism, and dishonest, because she would then be claiming that it was her own work. But I don't think that it is necessary to quote arguments, which is what I consider this quote to be. She is essentially putting forth an argument against masturbation, and it is either valid or it isn't, and I don't think it is important to the discussion to know where each argument comes from. The goal here is to find the truth, not to win a Nobel prize for the brilliance and originality of our thoughts.

I think a lot of this has to do with the protesters possibly feeling over- matched by someone who has spend months or years researching a topic, and has subsequently penned something quite impressive. It's hard to go up against that when instead of trying to learn, you may just want to come out the winner in an argument.

I agree with both of you. The intent of the OP was not to deceive but used that what was previously written to bolster her argument in a topic that she feels has great moral consequences.

In the absence of wisdom the truth is often a casualty in the search for knowledge.

The OP had a bad day. It is now time to back off on the attacks as these serve no useful purpose but only to hurt.